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100xOdds
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March 11th, 2015 at 8:35:59 PM permalink
as of 2015, craps on ncl: 3/4/5x odds, field pays double on 2 AND 12 :(
Gem- $5 min, $300 max per #
Breakaway- $10min, $500 max per #

vp:
deuces wild 97.1% at $1 denom, 97.6% at $5 denom
8/6 JoB at $5 denom, I think. (might be 8/5)

poker: real poker dealer, $2/5 NL Hold'em, 10% rake up to $25 :(

slots machines are tight:
1cent quick hits slot machine at max bet ($1.50) -> if you get the bonus game with 3x multiplier, its rare to win $100+

when I was on Princess cruises in 2010, it was rare NOT to win $100+ if you get the 3x multiplier.
Also on Princess, electronic poker ($1/2 no limit), 10% rake up to $6.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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March 12th, 2015 at 7:58:51 AM permalink
I also noticed the sub-contractors on Carnival and Holland America; English corps. FWIW, NCL's dealers are NCL employees, and "Casinos at Sea", their player's club, is a sub-division of NCL itself, not a contractor. However, I can't give you any BJ info or VP paytables, so no idea how competitive they are with other ships' casinos, just had a good impression of their games. Their carnival game paytables are the same as those you find in LV, and they claim they offer "true Vegas odds" on their games.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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March 12th, 2015 at 8:12:16 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I also noticed the sub-contractors on Carnival and Holland America; English corps. FWIW, NCL's dealers are NCL employees, and "Casinos at Sea", their player's club, is a sub-division of NCL itself, not a contractor. However, I can't give you any BJ info or VP paytables, so no idea how competitive they are with other ships' casinos, just had a good impression of their games. Their carnival game paytables are the same as those you find in LV, and they claim they offer "true Vegas odds" on their games.



ncl doesn't check the video tape when there's a dealer error.

I saw in 3 card poker the dealer missed a player and proceeded to mix all the cards together except that players.
when he realized he missed a player, he called the supervisor.
the supervisor asked what were the dealers cards. (player still has his cards.) dealer said XY (but unsure of suit).
supervisor then went thru the deck and brought out any XY to show the camera then turned over the players cards.

I was watching the game but wasn't seated. that dealer was wrong what cards he had. the player would have had bottom 2 pair!
the player didn't say anything. I guess he wasn't paying attention to what the dealer had originally.
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March 12th, 2015 at 8:38:56 AM permalink
I have had NCL floors back up the discards on a dealer error and make the player return the win, but they also do that for a player protest, so it seems fair both ways to me. Have not seen surveillance intercede or call down; it got resolved or not on the floor, not thru surveillance.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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March 12th, 2015 at 9:16:16 AM permalink
As of 2002, casino surveillance was NOT on board ship or in real-time.
Tapes were made and sent to surveillance.
A dealer could be written up weeks or months after doing something against procedure.

There is extra work involved for dealers and supervisors that isn't done by those types of employees on land.
Dealers on cruise ships (at least back then) were responsible along with the supervisors for collecting, counting, and reconciling the cash boxes on the tables each night (toke boxes too).

At the end of each cruise, a dealer, cashier, and supervisor would do the slot machine counts (a gruelling task that started after the casino closed on the last night of the cruise and ended somewhere around sunrise as the ship returned to its home port).
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March 12th, 2015 at 10:38:23 AM permalink
Quote: Scooter77


There is extra work involved for dealers and supervisors that isn't done by those types of employees on land.
Dealers on cruise ships (at least back then) were responsible along with the supervisors for collecting, counting, and reconciling the cash boxes on the tables each night (toke boxes too).

At the end of each cruise, a dealer, cashier, and supervisor would do the slot machine counts (a gruelling task that started after the casino closed on the last night of the cruise and ended somewhere around sunrise as the ship returned to its home port).



Many lines (including Carnival) now make dealers do hotel tasks as well, such as checking guests in and answering questions on embarkation day. Can you imagine if Caesars made its dealers stand in the lobby of, say, the Flamingo and made them do the same? (Actually, better not give them any ideas...)

Because of the extra tasks, the long hours, and lower pay (Carnival, for example, pools dealer tokes across EVERY single ship they own around the world--including European-market ships, where people tend not to tip as well as Americans), most dealers you meet on ships will be from Asia or Eastern Europe. The payoff, of course, is that the casino is closed while the ship is in port, giving (possibly) a short chance to sightsee and lay about on the beach...
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March 12th, 2015 at 10:51:05 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I have had NCL floors back up the discards on a dealer error and make the player return the win, but they also do that for a player protest, so it seems fair both ways to me. Have not seen surveillance intercede or call down; it got resolved or not on the floor, not thru surveillance.



backing up the cards wouldn't have helped in this case.
dealer mixed up players and his cards together then cut the deck before he realized he missed showdown with a player.

that player was not paying attention what so ever.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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March 12th, 2015 at 1:29:17 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

backing up the cards wouldn't have helped in this case.
dealer mixed up players and his cards together then cut the deck before he realized he missed showdown with a player.

that player was not paying attention what so ever.



I've had dealer refuse to allow me to double, and/or split and double the table max bet because I was already at the max bet, stated right there on the thingy. Was surreal, the pit boss got involved and agreed w/dealer initially. I was playing with a good bunch of guys/gals at the time and they went berserk. I think admittedly there were language/translation issues involved, but I'm just sitting there thinking "I probably should leave now, this place is even weirder than I am". Eventually, with some more mgt officials called into play, the pit boss admitted that I could indeed split and/or double the original bet which was the 'table max'. Now I don't even remember if I lost or won that hand, I do remember the cruise, went up 15K then down 6K, then won 6K to get back to even cause the ship was 'slowed down due to the fog'' . I was sweating like a pig. This all on a seven day cruise and left basically even, except I guess the house was down cause I left almost 3K in dealer/waitress tips. And was a magnificent cruise, Alaska, fully comped, I came home even. I counted that one as a win...2F
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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March 12th, 2015 at 3:33:30 PM permalink
Damnthem all to hell... Just got off the phone, once again, with the subcontractor ( not really sure that is the correct term ), for Carnival Cruise lines. Was talking to the 'Ocean PLayers Club' that runs (owns?) the casino operations on Carnival Cruise lines, and their 'partners', I forget the exact list but think it includes Princess Cruise Lines, and Holland America which covers a bunch of the USPort sailings. I have been trying for 3 weeks to get win/loss statements for 2 cruises on Carnival in 2014. Everyone says "we'll get those right to you", that answer started 3 weeks ago. I'm still waiting.

Just to be fair, if you call Royal Caribbean Lines ( service center somewhere in eastern Oregon, a very long way from the ocean) they will tell you that their ships are flagged in other country's and they do not provide win/loss statements...period.... Would you like to book another cruise?. If you call their casino operations in Miami you can get a win/loss statement emailed to you while you are on the phone.

Interesting, not the results I expected, still waiting on Carnival ( or Oceans Players Club ), which has an online application for win/loss statements, and, I'm quoting from their site "it's your right". However Royal Caribbean just blows you off and says " we do not provide those ". I have RCI win/loss for 2014. Still waiting on Carnival (Oceans Players Club). Today they said they mailed the response (after 3 weeks?). The application is online, but apparently they wanted to buy a US Poatage Stamp to send me my reply. I used to be able to catch free rides on cargo planes to Miami, maybe still can. I may go talk to them in person, but for now I'm told "it's in the mail". War Feathers...
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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April 4th, 2015 at 11:18:55 AM permalink
My grandpa was on a cruise with my uncle, he had no interest in the DD game they had on the cruise since the rules were quite shotty but my uncle insisted so he just went and played so he would quit bugging him. He said they cut off a whole deck and then for 3-5 shuffles he had yet to see a Queen, when asked they said they took all the queens out since they are in international waters and can do whatever they want.

Due to the poor rules and the potential of that shit going on I would say that cruise casinos are a big zero.

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