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Pokeraddict
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December 24th, 2012 at 10:01:12 PM permalink
Quote: sevencard2003

yeah im mainly interested in little remote out of the way casinos outside vegas up north (such as here in Jean) but im really surprised the venetian would offer these, must be new, ive certainly never seen them in there, maybe the minimum bet is higher? i wonder what they're comp and cashback rate is. maybe they removed the 3-2 payoff on BJ



Venetian was $2-$200 with same S17 sur das. No idea about whether it takes a card. The Monte Carlo one does not and I do not think MGM does either.
tringlomane
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December 24th, 2012 at 10:10:44 PM permalink
I would highly doubt the Venetian comp rate is not even close to what it is in Jean though even if it does take the Grazie card.

For the base-level Grazie member, video blackjack gets comped at 6% of the casino's theoretical win. So not even 0.1% comp payback based on coin-in.

http://www.venetian.com/Las-Vegas-Casino/Grazie-Loyalty/Points-Accruals/
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December 24th, 2012 at 11:05:05 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Particularly when company literature indicates four separate shuffling points are programmed in and can be selected by the casino.



i would think this would make it MORE likely to be as it seems with a fair shuffle showing u when it happens. u see the 4 choices are probably every 52 cards (as one guy seen somewhere and mentioned elsewhere) 80 cards--as it has here. 50% penetration (104 cards) as someone else mentioned, and who knows what the 4th choice is. if the casino can set it up as they want, no need to cheat. this is implying those shuffles u see are the accurate shuffle points the casino selects.
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AcesAndEights
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December 25th, 2012 at 1:24:55 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen any brand or form of video blackjack in WA. So the OP can cross WA of his list.


I usually don't bother looking at the machines in WA casinos and just head straight to the tables. But these machines are usually big and noticeable, and I agree that I haven't seen them.
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Ardent1
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December 25th, 2012 at 6:11:57 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I would highly doubt the Venetian comp rate is not even close to what it is in Jean though even if it does take the Grazie card.

For the base-level Grazie member, video blackjack gets comped at 6% of the casino's theoretical win. So not even 0.1% comp payback based on coin-in.

http://www.venetian.com/Las-Vegas-Casino/Grazie-Loyalty/Points-Accruals/



You need to keep in mind for these types of games, you have perfect insurance (it's easier with a confederate). I know with perfect insurance, that is worth about 15 basis points for single deck; it's probably less than 15 basis points for this game, but is nonetheless higher than the comp rate that you've stated.
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December 25th, 2012 at 6:37:04 AM permalink
Quote: Ardent1

sabre, did you ever add "depth charging" in your blackjack arsenal before? I think not.

If you know the shuffle point, someone who understands the theory of "depth charging" controls the pen if playing alone or with a team member(s). This is rudimentary BJ AP skills that every novice counter ought to know.

Food for thought.



Why don't you go ahead and explain how to use depth charging to gain any significant edge improvement on a 4 deck game with 6 spots and 38% pen. Also, justify your statement at it effectively allows you to "control" the pen.
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December 25th, 2012 at 7:00:18 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Why don't you go ahead and explain how to use depth charging to gain any significant edge improvement on a 4 deck game with 6 spots and 38% pen. Also, justify your statement at it effectively allows you to "control" the pen.



It's "theory" of depth charging -- if you are going to attack me, please quote me correctly.

With 6 station, with 2 cards per station per player plus 2 per dealer, you are looking at 14 cards before adjusting for aggressive splits.

You already have the conditions for perfect play, 100% betting correlation, 70% betting efficiency, 100% insurance correlation (easier with a confederate), and add theory depth charging, it adds to your E.V.

As I pointed out earlier, perfect insurance is worth about 15 basis points for single deck as a point of reference.

As I also pointed out, it's a slot machines so you can get comps, mailers, free play, a vehicle for promo hustling, etc.

As for "significicant," that IS SOMETHING YOU ADDED TO THE DISCUSSION, not I.

And if you can't figure it out, then that's life.
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December 25th, 2012 at 7:49:06 AM permalink
Quote: Ardent1

You need to keep in mind for these types of games, you have perfect insurance (it's easier with a confederate). I know with perfect insurance, that is worth about 15 basis points for single deck; it's probably less than 15 basis points for this game, but is nonetheless higher than the comp rate that you've stated.



Yeah, I didn't consider insurance in that quick reply since I don't count BJ. Insurance wagers will definitely up the overall comp rate. Insurance wagers should be comped about 0.435% of the insurance wager amount based on 6% theoretical win. I'm not sure what the Venetian would consider its theoretical win for the base game, but I'd be surprised it was > 1%, which leads to a 0.06% comp rate based on your total wager outside of insurance bets.
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December 25th, 2012 at 7:53:18 AM permalink
In other words, depth charging adds virtually nothing to the game described in the OP.
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December 25th, 2012 at 11:59:09 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah, I didn't consider insurance in that quick reply since I don't count BJ. Insurance wagers will definitely up the overall comp rate. Insurance wagers should be comped about 0.435% of the insurance wager amount based on 6% theoretical win. I'm not sure what the Venetian would consider its theoretical win for the base game, but I'd be surprised it was > 1%, which leads to a 0.06% comp rate based on your total wager outside of insurance bets.



They will not award different comps based on the type of wager. The accounting system only tracks the total amount wagered and the theoretical return, which includes the insurance wagers that you are supposed to make. Of course, on good paytables, insurance never enters into the equation because they don't account for counting.
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