Ibeatyouraces
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November 19th, 2012 at 6:17:42 AM permalink
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MakingBook
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November 19th, 2012 at 6:37:56 AM permalink
What's next for Paigowdan?

Will he label someone playing 3/2 blackjack instead of a 6/5 game a cheater?
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Ibeatyouraces
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November 19th, 2012 at 7:06:13 AM permalink
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Paigowdan
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November 19th, 2012 at 7:25:43 AM permalink
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Its getting rediculous. I understand his position but he is obsessed with it.


I hear people rank on GVR, and use this board to chase the "next hottest card counting opportunity."
It's like chasing something that you won't get to in the end - just like a salmon - and that's what's ridiculous.

Seldom do I witness here discussions about honing your skills for poker room play, or for the race or sports book - where you are playing against other people, and where you CAN legitimately go +EV and be legit at the same time.

I think it is this board that is obsessed with finding the "next opportunity" that doesn't really exist, and not with developing poker room skills, race and sports book skills enough, in search of +EV play.

Quote: MakingBook

What's next for Paigowdan?

Will he label someone playing 3/2 blackjack instead of a 6/5 game a cheater?


Nope. I'm perfectly fine with 3:2BJ, and for that matter any good EV play that's on the level, and won't get you backed off. In other words, I'm 100% fine with anything that is 100% fine to do in the casino, and to say otherwise is a crock.

Play best legit strategy on house-banked games? check, A-okay.
Study lines in the race and sports book looking for +EV opportunities? check - A-okay.
Improving your poker game? check - A-okay.
Anything that risks getting you thrown off a game, or out of a casino? A no go.

As gamblers what do we discuss here? Finding a casino you can get over on - hopefully without getting thrown the hell out. Now That's ridiculous.
And calling casino patrons "knuckleheads" for playing legit play, at a casino of their choice?
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rdw4potus
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November 19th, 2012 at 7:53:36 AM permalink
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Nope. I'm perfectly fine with 3:2BJ, and for that matter any good EV play that's on the level, and won't get you backed off. In other words, I'm 100% fine with anything that is 100% fine to do in the casino, and to say otherwise is a crock.

And calling casino patrons "knuckleheads" for playing legit play, at a casino of their choice?



OK. Well, what the rest of us were saying is that the patrons playing 6/5 when a 3/2 table is 10 feet away are foolish - "knuckleheaded," I guess. Do you disagree with that assessment of the player who chooses a sub-optimal game?

On a different note - this board is not going to change. The proprietor agrees with and participates in the gaming practices that you do not like. Rather than try to tell everyone else what is "ok" to discuss, maybe you should consider removing yourself from these conversations if you do not like them. We're certainly going to continue to have these conversations whether you like it or not.
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TheBigPaybak
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:03:46 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

As gamblers what do we discuss here? Finding a casino you can get over on - hopefully without getting thrown the hell out. Now That's ridiculous.



At the same time, you probably realize for the great majority of people who think they can benefit from actions you don't approve of, that in the long-run, they are still valuable patrons to the casinos. If everyone truly accepted that they will never win, the gaming industry would be in great trouble!

And not to rehash an old conversation, but patrons who "take advantage" of the system are many times just pointing out weaknesses that a well-run casino wouldn't have. Certain patrons in a sense become "consultants" for casinos that can be mismanaged. Can you imagine how poor quality control would be if there weren't certain advantage players out there?
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Paigowdan
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:06:41 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

OK. Well, what the rest of us were saying is that the patrons playing 6/5 when a 3/2 table is 10 feet away are foolish - "knuckleheaded," I guess. Do you disagree with that assessment of the player who chooses a sub-optimal game?

On a different note - this board is not going to change. The proprietor agrees with and participates in the gaming practices that you do not like. Rather than try to tell everyone else what is "ok" to discuss, maybe you should consider removing yourself from these conversations if you do not like them. We're certainly going to continue to have these conversations whether you like it or not.



On the matter of payouts and paytables, various paytables for many games ARE adjusted by casinos, - and are usually done in order to keep a game viable and useable, -instead of killing an otherwise good game. Sometimes the game just has a "wrong" paytables were the game is struggling - hold is too high and the game gets no action, OR it is too low, and the game is dumping, just unsustainable; indeed, many 'countable' side bets get adjusted so that the game CAN be offered without it being a losing proposition for the casino to offer it. 6:5 BJ is a case in point.

If someone walks into a casino and enjoys playing Lucky Ladies (house edge 24%), or 6:5 blackjack, it's because those edges have to be that to offer the game. So, if a player enjoys playing it, (and such a player may win), I see no wrong with it, and nothing derogatory about it. Casinos also offer razor-thin house edge games like 10x odds on craps, and UTH, with a near zero house edge when properly played.

As for the board, yes, it is the nature of the beast. But while I understand that the lure of "seemingly beatable games" is a marketing tool, - often abused by some operators, and is a misleading lure at times, is sometimes unnecessary. I mean why offer and advertise 90% penetration on some tables, - only to have those tables as "back-off city?" From the casino's point of view, such an ad campaign only attracts those whom they'd be forced to back off.

I also view "gambling" as an activity that is not divorced from:
1. Realistic expectations going in; (getting an edge legitimately - yes. Advocating Breaking some house rules that'll risk ejection? No.), and
2. Playing these games by the rules of the property that you are inside of.
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Ibeatyouraces
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November 19th, 2012 at 9:28:42 AM permalink
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November 19th, 2012 at 9:36:22 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

6:5 blackjack is not needed and is strictly placed to rip off the average gambler, period!



Well it is not quite that simple. I have buddies that will go to a casino with me twice a year and they always seem to end up at a single deck 6:5 table. I try to explain why we all avoid 6:5 games and they do understand, they just don't care. They prefer the novelty of a single deck game and are willing to pay the higher price to get it. These people would in fact have a worse gambling experience with a higher ev 3:2 shoe game than they have with the 6:5 single deck game.
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