PlayYourCardsRight
PlayYourCardsRight
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June 16th, 2015 at 12:52:54 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

This is not the case, except in errors of game-play dealing, or in management of Pai Gow poker play.

Pai Gow Poker games have been unilaterally approved for casino play by virtually all gaming jurisdictions where the side bets pay on the contents of the player's full 7-card hand, -- regardless of how the player had decided to set his hand for main game's best play. In other words, you got dealt that hand, you cannot be denied that hand's win.

*Except in extremely rare case where the individual casino declares by written table notice otherwise the size of a Los Angeles Highway Billboard, of which there does not seem to be the case anymore for these exceptions. In these cases, just set the hand to a Royal+Royal match hand setting.


--You know, on a $10,000 bonus win, a casino operator cannot claim to default on the bonus win for playing the better of a main-game hand setting - for a $15 main bet difference - as you were indeed dealt it in your seven card hand. The casino just pays it to you if they dealt it to you - as you were clearly dealt that bonus hand.

In this case, I would have played the Royal with the Royal match, not for this rule, but in case a freaking poker-blind surveillance worker was on duty, with me not worried about a $10 or $15 main bet......you know, playing a Royal Straight Flush with a KQ as its top is NOT a hand that I would EVER worry about as for the main bet result....



Not sure if it's still that way, but I think it was Harrah's in Kansas City that only paid on the way the hand was set.... This would have been several years ago, but I definitely recall it. Might have just been a bad dealer, because I was still fairly new to playing the game as well.
Paigowdan
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:04:34 AM permalink
Quote: PlayYourCardsRight

Not sure if it's still that way, but I think it was Harrah's in Kansas City that only paid on the way the hand was set.... This would have been several years ago, but I definitely recall it. Might have just been a bad dealer, because I was still fairly new to playing the game as well.



It may very well be. That would NOT be right, but maybe a house rule at some places, just to deny a huge win on a technicality.

I sometimes think about that when I get a four of a kind or better, - I always seem to check the table placards and all, - if only out of paranoia.

If so, I check my main bet versus the side bet: did I bet $100 on the main bet, and a dollar on the bonus? Did I bet $10 on the main bet AND $10 on the side?
Because of this crap, I DO stop and check....mostly long since gone, but still...
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sodawater
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:34:26 AM permalink
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Excellent, excellent questions, sodawater!

Perhaps revealing the entire photo will answer both your questions! And confirm every statement you made!



Have a look. Now, do you notice anything strange going on here?!



So sick. I knew it. AC PGP dealers miss flushes when you play straights in the back like 75 percent of the time. No way are they spotting the RM hand when it comes up once in a career.

I hope you were the one who spotted it and corrected it.
Paigowdan
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:39:31 AM permalink
Sodawater,

How many dealing hits and misses have you come up in your dealing career, and at what showcase casinos have you dealt at?

Have you ever dealt to a guy like yourself?
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:40:35 AM permalink
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It matters if it happened, and the casino sees it and pays it to you, even if you as the player missed it. You do not get paid on a bonus "*IF* you happen to see it. (Though you normally will). If matter only if you GET THAT HAND, and THAT THE CASINO PAYS YOU." You could be distracted, or even paying full attention and miss it - It is still your jackpot.



Except you can see in the full photo that the Nugget did not originally pay the unaware player for her RF+RM, but as just a RF, $750 to $5. Paying out a royal at the GNAC also requires getting confirmation from the floor, who also missed it and shorted the player $9,250 on the payout. Still waiting to hear who eventually corrected the payout.

So as you can see, as a player it DOES matter if you miss your hand because you surely cannot count on the dealers and supervisors who sleepwalk through their shifts.
sodawater
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:41:47 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Sodawater,

How many dealing hits and misses have you come up in your dealing career, and at what showcase casinos have you dealt at?

Have you ever dealt to a guy like yourself?



Lol -- are you kidding me Dan? The next time I play a table game session where the dealer doesn't make a payout mistake, I'll have to let you know. It literally happens every single session, in every single game.

There are some very nice and personable dealers, but ALL of them make payout mistakes regularly.

I'll give you an example from a few days ago. I was watching a drunk guy bet $1,500 a hand at pai gow poker (no, not "EZ" Pai Gow, sorry) -- he was banking every other hand. Every time he won -- and I mean every single time -- the dealer had no idea how to take 5 percent of $1,500. She tried taking $125 before I corrected her. The next hand she took $50. Oh, and every time he banked, she never took his $100 Fortune bonus bet when it lost. She paid it when it won, though.

The patron was completely drunk and had no idea what was going on. But he was getting $100 freerolls on the fortune bonus every time he banked, and variable commission.

Dealers make more mistakes per hour than almost any other job I can think of.
Paigowdan
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:44:55 AM permalink
You didn't answer the question.

At what showcase casino have you dealt at, putting up with a customer not unlike yourself, personality and attitude aside.

And what do you do for a living, doing everything perfectly in every detail, especially as an AP?

If dealers were perfect, all players would not be allowed to play.
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sodawater
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:47:33 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

You didn't answer the question.

At what showcase casino have you dealt at, putting up with a customer not unlike yourself, personality and attitude aside.

And what do you do for a living, doing everything perfectly in every detail, especially as an AP?



I could never make it as a dealer -- my mistake rate would be far too low.
Paigowdan
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June 16th, 2015 at 1:48:31 AM permalink
You never made it as a dealer. I think there are many dealers who deal at, or close to, perfect automatons, especially in AC.

You were never hired (as a dealer). Talk is cheap. So I assume it wouldn't cost you much to tell us.

Tell us - what do you do as a living with such perfection?

Tell us what kind of treat of perfection you are to your clients or to your bosses.

Most people who made a fortune say that their many mistakes were exactly their path to fortune.
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sodawater
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June 16th, 2015 at 2:12:14 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

You never made it as a dealer. I think there are many dealers who deal at, or close to, perfect automatons, especially in AC.

You were never hired (as a dealer). Talk is cheap. So I assume it wouldn't cost you much to tell us.

Tell us - what do you do as a living with such perfection?

Tell us what kind of treat of perfection you are to your clients or to your bosses.

Most people who made a fortune say that their many mistakes were exactly their path to fortune.



I am a casino game inventor. I am working on my big breakthrough game, EZ War. It really cuts down on the needless complexity of the current casino war, with at least two cards dealt every hand.

In EZ War, a single card is dealt. If it's a 9 or higher, all bets win. 8 or lower, all bets lose. The player MAY NOT BANK.

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