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February 15th, 2017 at 1:16:37 PM permalink
Quote: kratchik

I'm not convinced that all betting systems are worthless and think that Bluejay is taking a big risk. I recently collaborated with Dr. Ilya Bluskov of the University of Vancouver and was able to show that using two of his lottery wheels in two actual state lotteries was able to increase the player's expected return by 2%. A lottery wheel is purely a betting strategy.

I suspect that if anyone wins or even accepts his challenge he will not admit it. I recently submitted the following betting system to him and he responded with contempt. It may be trivial but obviously it will work.

1. Establish a line of credit at a casino. I once was offered unlimited credit at the Las Vegas Sands.

2. Play the table limit for a very short time. Either you will end up way ahead or way in the hole.

3. If you win, take the money and stop playing.

4. If you lose, don't pay up.

No, they don't send a hit man to rough you up. Perhaps when the mob owned Vegas but not any more. Gambling debts are not enforceable in the courts.



There's some misinformation here. Re: the challenge, it appears you didn't read the challenge rules, which included something about 200,000 bets/spins/hands. This would not qualify. So I'm not surprised you didn't get much of an answer from MB.

More importantly, (to the best of my knowledge ) at least in LV, when you take markers against a LOC, you sign a chit that functions legally as a check. You cannot walk away from that debt. It is legally enforceable in court, at least civilly, and possibly criminally if they can prove you're kiting. Please don't anyone try this.
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February 15th, 2017 at 3:50:16 PM permalink
Quote: kratchik

I'm not convinced that all betting systems are worthless and think that Bluejay is taking a big risk. I recently collaborated with Dr. Ilya Bluskov of the University of Vancouver and was able to show that using two of his lottery wheels in two actual state lotteries was able to increase the player's expected return by 2%. A lottery wheel is purely a betting strategy.

I suspect that if anyone wins or even accepts his challenge he will not admit it. I recently submitted the following betting system to him and he responded with contempt. It may be trivial but obviously it will work.

1. Establish a line of credit at a casino. I once was offered unlimited credit at the Las Vegas Sands.

2. Play the table limit for a very short time. Either you will end up way ahead or way in the hole.

3. If you win, take the money and stop playing.

4. If you lose, don't pay up.

No, they don't send a hit man to rough you up. Perhaps when the mob owned Vegas but not any more. Gambling debts are not enforceable in the courts.



You are wrong. A betting pattern, lottery wheel or even praying to your God has no effect on the chance to beat a house edge over the long run.

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February 15th, 2017 at 6:37:46 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

There's some misinformation here. Re: the challenge, it appears you didn't read the challenge rules, which included something about 200,000 bets/spins/hands. This would not qualify. So I'm not surprised you didn't get much of an answer from MB.

More importantly, (to the best of my knowledge ) at least in LV, when you take markers against a LOC, you sign a chit that functions legally as a check. You cannot walk away from that debt. It is legally enforceable in court, at least civilly, and possibly criminally if they can prove you're kiting. Please don't anyone try this.



Thank you BBB! I was also thinking,"This seems like a really bad idea! Really? "Lose money and don't pay up, it's not legally enforceable? " That's
BEGGING for big trouble! At BEST you get seen as a shady, sketchy welcher! At worst, you end up in an ICU at a nearby hospital, clinging for your life! In the middle is court and possible incarceration.
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
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February 15th, 2017 at 6:45:57 PM permalink
Max out your cash advances

Put money on player or banker

If you win, cash out

If you lose, try again in 7 years
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Zcore13
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February 15th, 2017 at 7:14:52 PM permalink
Quote: kratchik

I'm not convinced that all betting systems are worthless and think that Bluejay is taking a big risk. I recently collaborated with Dr. Ilya Bluskov of the University of Vancouver and was able to show that using two of his lottery wheels in two actual state lotteries was able to increase the player's expected return by 2%. A lottery wheel is purely a betting strategy.

I suspect that if anyone wins or even accepts his challenge he will not admit it. I recently submitted the following betting system to him and he responded with contempt. It may be trivial but obviously it will work.

1. Establish a line of credit at a casino. I once was offered unlimited credit at the Las Vegas Sands.

2. Play the table limit for a very short time. Either you will end up way ahead or way in the hole.

3. If you win, take the money and stop playing.

4. If you lose, don't pay up.

No, they don't send a hit man to rough you up. Perhaps when the mob owned Vegas but not any more. Gambling debts are not enforceable in the courts.



By the way, you are wrong about gambling debts not being enforceable in court as well. Unless there are extenuating circumstances, like the casino offering you credit when you are intoxicated or some sort of deceit, you are in financial and legal trouble if you try and skip out.


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February 15th, 2017 at 8:00:57 PM permalink
Quote: kratchik

I'm not convinced that all betting systems are worthless and think that Bluejay is taking a big risk. I recently collaborated with Dr. Ilya Bluskov of the University of Vancouver and was able to show that using two of his lottery wheels in two actual state lotteries was able to increase the player's expected return by 2%. A lottery wheel is purely a betting strategy.

I suspect that if anyone wins or even accepts his challenge he will not admit it. I recently submitted the following betting system to him and he responded with contempt. It may be trivial but obviously it will work.

1. Establish a line of credit at a casino. I once was offered unlimited credit at the Las Vegas Sands.

2. Play the table limit for a very short time. Either you will end up way ahead or way in the hole.

3. If you win, take the money and stop playing.

4. If you lose, don't pay up.

No, they don't send a hit man to rough you up. Perhaps when the mob owned Vegas but not any more. Gambling debts are not enforceable in the courts.



If you take up the challenge, make sure the simulator is not breaking the Law of Large Numbers.

Simply check every 100 trials to see if the average wins is getting closer to the mean. 200 trials should be closer to the mean than 100 trials. 300 trials should get closer to the mean than 200 trials. 400 trials should get closer to the mean than 300 trials etc. etc. You should rarely have times when more trials will lower the average win percentage.

Most of these simulators cheat the LLN so if you're going to put money on it, make sure the average win rate is continuing to get closer and closer to the mean. You may be surprised at how badly they cheat the LLN on these things.

Talk is cheap, but if you'r putting money on it, make sure you're not getting cheated.
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February 15th, 2017 at 11:23:47 PM permalink
I just flagged the posts for condoning illegal activity.
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February 16th, 2017 at 4:52:39 AM permalink
Quote: kratchik



I suspect that if anyone wins or even accepts his challenge he will not admit it. I recently submitted the following betting system to him and he responded with contempt. It may be trivial but obviously it will work.

1. Establish a line of credit at a casino. I once was offered unlimited credit at the Las Vegas Sands.

2. Play the table limit for a very short time. Either you will end up way ahead or way in the hole.

3. If you win, take the money and stop playing.

4. If you lose, don't pay up.

No, they don't send a hit man to rough you up. Perhaps when the mob owned Vegas but not any more. Gambling debts are not enforceable in the courts.

Let's just say you could get away with it.
This is not really a betting system. Even if it was legal, you would not be beating the game itself, it's taking advantage of a loophole in their system. It would be an illegal advantage situation where you are free rolling wins. It's kind of like a loss rebate promo. It's obvious there would be an advantage in that situation. That's not the point of his challenge. I can see why he scoffed at it.

The entire point of his challenge is for someone to prove they can beat A CASINO GAME with a BETTING SYSTEM. Not with special promotions, not with the casino player rating system, not with mail, not with loopholes and not by cheating.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 16th, 2017 at 5:06:15 AM permalink
Quote: kratchik

I'm not convinced that all betting systems are worthless and think that Bluejay is taking a big risk. I recently collaborated with Dr. Ilya Bluskov of the University of Vancouver and was able to show that using two of his lottery wheels in two actual state lotteries was able to increase the player's expected return by 2%. A lottery wheel is purely a betting strategy.

Wait a minute. Don't state lotteries carry about a 50% house edge? So, you saying that, with your methods, you were able to increase the return to player from $0.50 on the dollar to $0.51? And you're saying that this system is not worthless?
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kratchik
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February 16th, 2017 at 6:30:47 AM permalink
A reference on the enforceability of gambling debts is to be found at

www.aabri.com /manuscripts/131679.pdf.

The Nevada legislature made gambling debts enforceable in that state in 1983, however most Nevada gamblers are from out-of-state and the Nevada court would have trouble acquiring jurisdiction over the deadbeat once he had left the state. Suing the deadbeat in his home state would likely prove futile because of the common law doctrine against enforceability of gambling debts. With more and more states legalizing gambling, this may change. Beachbumbabs correctly points out that giving a bad marker in Nevada may be prosecuted as a criminal act and in that case jurisdiction could be acquired by extradition but in my experience it can be difficult to get state prosecutors to budge.

The casinos realize that aggressive collection methods would cost them more in bad publicity than they could hope to gain in a recovery. I knew people in New York whose job it was to collect for a Nevada hotel and in such cases they merely told the deadbeat that he no longer would be welcome.

I recognize Bluejay's good motive in attempting to debunk those who sell worthless betting systems for money and I wouldn't have made this post except for his rudeness.
Last edited by: kratchik on Feb 16, 2017

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