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September 11th, 2021 at 8:13:48 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

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As your actions directly affect the dealer's hand, it also affects the players who went before you, as well.

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    i'm not quite following you there. this is European bj in australia. there can be no effect on the dealer's hand. all hands are played from the right side of the table, to the left. there is no hole carding, no peeking, and no surrender. once the player's hands are dealt with, the dealer turns over his face down second card, and finishes his hand. payouts then ensue. no player on someone's left can effect players on their right, coz all players to someone's right have their hands completed first.
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    Let's say you are in the middle of the table. Two players on either side. For simplification, all five players are dealt 16s and the dealer is showing a five. All the players stand and the dealer reveals a ten for a total of 16. As everyone stood, the first card out in the second round belongs to the dealer. It is a five and everyone loses.
    Back it up and now you hit your 16, and you get the five for a total of 21. The next two people stand on their 16s and now the dealer takes the second card of the round- a ten. He busts and everyone wins. All because you took a card and affected the entire table.
    In this case, an unorthodox move saved the entire table. Had you stood, everyone loses. By hitting everyone won. The players to your left and the players to the right. It could just as easily gone the other way and your hit might cause everyone to lose, just as easily.
    Every card put in play affects every hand and every card after it. If you play the game for the long term, this will even out.
    However, those who claim there is no long run and care for short term results...........
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    September 11th, 2021 at 8:26:27 PM permalink
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    Players to the right can affect players to the left. You are right of dealer so your hits and stands affect dealer. What happens to dealer affects whole table.

    Easy example, you are the last player and have 12 vs dealer 3. You stand. Dealer turns over and 9 for 12 and draws a 9 for 21. Whole table loses. If you had hit your 12, as basic strategy advises, you would have had the 21 and dealer may have busted.

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    yes, true. but over all hands played over any reasonable length of time, each player should get their maximum possible return if they are playing according to basic strategy. that's what's documented on various gambling sites. the effect of some hands by various players sitting in various positions at the table, would even out over any reasonable length of time.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 8:34:02 PM permalink
    Quote: billryan



    Let's say you are in the middle of the table. Two players on either side. For simplification, all five players are dealt 16s and the dealer is showing a five. All the players stand and the dealer reveals a ten for a total of 16. As everyone stood, the first card out in the second round belongs to the dealer. It is a five and everyone loses.
    Back it up and now you hit your 16, and you get the five for a total of 21. The next two people stand on their 16s and now the dealer takes the second card of the round- a ten. He busts and everyone wins. All because you took a card and affected the entire table.
    In this case, an unorthodox move saved the entire table. Had you stood, everyone loses. By hitting everyone won. The players to your left and the players to the right. It could just as easily gone the other way and your hit might cause everyone to lose, just as easily.
    Every card put in play affects every hand and every card after it. If you play the game for the long term, this will even out.
    However, those who claim there is no long run and care for short term results...........

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    yes, correct. it can work both ways - favourably and unfavourably. the bird sitting to my right was losing coz of mostly her play. the effect of others would have been fairly negligible.
    Note: WOV considers all betting systems worthless. All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 9:51:54 PM permalink
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    the bird sitting to my right was losing coz of mostly her play. the effect of others would have been fairly negligible.

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    You may be underestimating how superstitious people can be at a gambling table.
    Since your style of play clearly did not meet her standards, despite her noble and heroic efforts to restore the lucky flow of the cards to her position, you may be to blame.

    This is nonsense, of course. Play your hand well, do well. Play your hand poorly, get poor results.
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 10:08:48 PM permalink
    Quote: Dieter

    You may be underestimating how superstitious people can be at a gambling table.
    Since your style of play clearly did not meet her standards, despite her noble and heroic efforts to restore the lucky flow of the cards to her position, you may be to blame.

    This is nonsense, of course. Play your hand well, do well. Play your hand poorly, get poor results.

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    September 11th, 2021 at 10:17:31 PM permalink
    It is The Sacred Flow of the cards. Don't mess with the Sacred Flow.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 10:25:38 PM permalink


    I lost, okay, how could you say always?
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    September 12th, 2021 at 1:00:54 PM permalink
    At one of my recent visits there was a chap sitting at my table that appeared familiar. I started thinking through where I seemed to recognise this guy in my mind. I know I've got a great memory for faces. Sure enough, up he popped in my memory after about 5 minutes. A caretaker collecting a child from the same class as one of my primary school child's class. We used to chat before and after drop down and pick up of our kids.

    I reminded the guy and he had trouble remembering. Twas about 8 years back. Took him a little while, but after I explained the situation, it surfaced in his mind, too. I wonder how many of us have the same kind of experiences when we visit a casino?
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    September 12th, 2021 at 1:47:13 PM permalink
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    Had one the other night where a player got so upset with another he actually swatted his stack of chips and then slugged the guy for making the wrong decisions when to pull as well.

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    I would love to play with that guy. I would bet minimum and do everything that would piss him off.
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    September 12th, 2021 at 2:14:44 PM permalink
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    Had one the other night where a player got so upset with another he actually swatted his stack of chips and then slugged the guy for making the wrong decisions when to pull as well.

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    I would love to play with that guy. I would bet minimum and do everything that would piss him off.
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    He was banned from our properties as well as being arrested, the patron he hit signed a complaint with law enforcement that responded.

    But I heard today that the patron desires to withdraw the charge. Not up to us, he has to talk to the District Attorney's Office.
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