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MrV
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August 26th, 2021 at 9:59:21 AM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Do you think MDawg's a fraud?I



Well, if you have to ask ...
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August 26th, 2021 at 10:09:53 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Well, if you have to ask ...



He didn't have to ask. It's a trolling trap question, anyway. Even if someone did think MDawg was a fraud, (I don't, by the way) they couldn't answer in the affirmative without violating the Personal Insult Rule. However, if they ignore the question, then someone can conveniently assume that they would have answered in the negative.

In the best possible light, it's an unfair question to ask (because a person who believes so could not answer yes without risking a ban) and is irrelevant and off-topic to this thread anyway. MDawg has stated that he does not follow a mechanical betting system of any kind, and even if he did, MDawg's claims would have zero bearing on the truth, falsehood, validity or invalidity of anything said by Wellbush in this thread.

In the worst possible light, one could interpret the question was being asked in the hopes that people would respond in the affirmative, and consequently, get themselves banned for personal insult for doing so.

Either way, the question is a trolling question, so what light you look at it in only changes the degree.
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MDawg
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August 26th, 2021 at 10:18:30 AM permalink
I believe he posed the question rhetorically in that it is clear that WellBush is an MDawg supporter.
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September 2nd, 2021 at 6:54:54 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

This is either trolling, an insult, or hate speech.
I don't care to figure it out; it's clearly out of line.

7 days.

it was none. just a joke. but hey
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September 2nd, 2021 at 7:29:13 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

For many believers (not necessarily anyone in this thread) of various (and unnamed) things, believers tend not to use science, mathematics and logic to address things because they have no grasp of those three things or how those three things might apply. I tend to believe, if they did, then they would no longer be believers.

is this an insult? believers have brains, too.
Quote: Mission146

There's nobody who ever said that, "Rare gamblers," may not be, at present, beating the casinos using a system. If there are enough people using systems, for a time, it becomes almost certain that more than zero of them are on the winning side at any given point. If you had 10,000 players all playing the Martingale, the number of trials (for each) required until they are all on the losing side AFTER a given trial is huge.

i was referring to winning gamblers who do so on a permanent basis. not temporarily. why would i make an argument for temporary winners?
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Why would you ask a question such as, "Do you think MDawg's a fraud?" I wasn't aware that this thread was about him.

the post has got nothing to do with MDawg, per se. i was using MDawg as an example of someone beating the casinos on a permanent basis. that was on topic in the conversation i was having.
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Even if someone thought MDawg was a fraud, it's not as if that person could say so without violating Forum Rules. Thus, you are asking a question that a person is required to:

A.) Ignore---which could be interpreted as them answering, 'No,' even if they believe the answer is yes.

i don't think so.
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B.) Respond to with a, "No."

what's wrong with that?
Quote: Mission146


C.) Say, "Yes," (if that's what the respondent actually believes) and get suspended.

i don't necessarily think so. posters can give an affirmative answer in all sorts of ways without breaking the rules.
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Please explain how asking that question is not trolling.

ditto
Quote: Mission146

He didn't have to ask. It's a trolling trap question, anyway. Even if someone did think MDawg was a fraud, (I don't, by the way) they couldn't answer in the affirmative without violating the Personal Insult Rule. However, if they ignore the question, then someone can conveniently assume that they would have answered in the negative.

In the best possible light, it's an unfair question to ask (because a person who believes so could not answer yes without risking a ban) and is irrelevant and off-topic to this thread anyway. MDawg has stated that he does not follow a mechanical betting system of any kind, and even if he did, MDawg's claims would have zero bearing on the truth, falsehood, validity or invalidity of anything said by Wellbush in this thread.

In the worst possible light, one could interpret the question was being asked in the hopes that people would respond in the affirmative, and consequently, get themselves banned for personal insult for doing so.

Either way, the question is a trolling question, so what light you look at it in only changes the degree.

ditto
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September 2nd, 2021 at 7:31:22 AM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

it was none. just a joke. but hey



My misunderstanding.



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redietz
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September 2nd, 2021 at 8:29:40 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Well, if you have to ask ...




Regarding the tales of winning 50 out of 52 times and all that, is MDawg a fraud? Interesting question. It's a very different question from "Is MDawg lying?"

Now let me break down the "Is MDawg lying" question first. If I reported to you every time I made 10 out of 10 free throws in practice, and skipped reporting every time I did not, is that lying? Technically, it's not lying.

And if I then went on bragging about my free throw shooting and how people were always watching me and complimenting me on my foul shooting, would I be lying? Who knows, but possibly not. If I only tell you the comments made by people who watched me sink 10 out of 10 and skipped the comments (like "you suck, loser") when I made 6 out of 10, is that lying? No, it's self-serving, biased reporting, but it's not technically lying.

Where it turns into lying, and being a fraud, is if somebody directly asks, "So, your foul shooting includes every session you practice?" and you say yes when the answer is no. Then you are a liar and a fraud. But up to that point, you're just guilty of seeing how gullible people are.

Now as to fraud, if I give a lecture to Emily's School for Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots (using the old formal IQ classification categories -- look it up) and I tell Emily's students that I ride a dragon and kill evil casinos for a living, and all of Emily's students believe me, is that fraud? If people are incapable of ascertaining reality from fairy tales, then the issue, I suppose, really is not on my end. It's on the end of the Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots.

In conclusion, selective reporting of reality isn't really fraud unless you pin the person down with a statistical, not an anecdotal, series of questions, and then they lie.

And second, if people are unable to grasp what is and isn't possible when the claims are outrageous, that's partly because they are attending, whether intentionally or not, Emily's School for Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots (using the old formal IQ classification, of course, and not meant as any judgement).
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September 2nd, 2021 at 10:41:53 AM permalink
Quote: redietz



Now as to fraud, if I give a lecture to Emily's School for Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots (using the old formal IQ classification categories -- look it up) and I tell Emily's students that I ride a dragon and kill evil casinos for a living, and all of Emily's students believe me, is that fraud? If people are incapable of ascertaining reality from fairy tales, then the issue, I suppose, really is not on my end. It's on the end of the Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots.

In conclusion, selective reporting of reality isn't really fraud unless you pin the person down with a statistical, not an anecdotal, series of questions, and then they lie.

And second, if people are unable to grasp what is and isn't possible when the claims are outrageous, that's partly because they are attending, whether intentionally or not, Emily's School for Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots (using the old formal IQ classification, of course, and not meant as any judgement).




I am a little confused here, what happens if the person who gives the lecture at the Emily school puts his very real name and home address on the blackboard and makes note of it when he begins his lecture? Resulting in the students comprised of Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots start laughing at him for supplying that information. Many of the students then start calling him a moron, imbecile, and idiot should those students be suspended, considering their lack of understanding?
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redietz
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September 2nd, 2021 at 3:30:53 PM permalink
Quote: BoSox

I am a little confused here, what happens if the person who gives the lecture at the Emily school puts his very real name and home address on the blackboard and makes note of it when he begins his lecture? Resulting in the students comprised of Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots start laughing at him for supplying that information. Many of the students then start calling him a moron, imbecile, and idiot should those students be suspended, considering their lack of understanding?



BoSox, I think it's self evident I don't much care if Morons, Imbeciles, and Idiots are laughing at or with me. If you'd like me to post my name and address here, just ask. I'll oblige. No hay problema, senor.

I'm not some anonymous wannabee card counter upset that some people with a k in their name make an actual living at it.

For those looking up my address on google maps, check in on me Sunday. After a month of no yard work and what looked like corn growing out of the gutters, I finally had a crew start cleaning up the premises. They should wrap up by Saturday, so google the address Sunday, if you would. The place had been a mess; Tennessee got clobbered with storms the last few weeks. It's not necessarily my only address (for example, I lived in Orange for two years while maintaining this property), but it is my favorite. No state income tax, and it looks as if the Unabomber lives here, as my girlfriend says. Always a plus. The timber on the property may be worth more than the house.

My real name has been out there publicly vis-a-vis gambling since 1979. So that's nothing new.
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September 2nd, 2021 at 3:57:54 PM permalink
Quote: redietz


For those looking up my address on google maps, check in on me Sunday.



This matters not until one of the Google street view cars tours your neighborhood again.

It's not a live feed.
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