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darkoz
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November 27th, 2020 at 5:20:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You got suspended because you said MDawg was a "fiction writer." My interpretation of that is someone who deliberately writes stories that they know are not true. Since MDawg passes them off as true, that makes your comment logically equivalent to calling him a liar.

As to the comparison to the 18 yo's in a row, I am not saying that Alan is lying. I think he just remembers the incident incorrectly. Even he has amended his comment to say "maybe it was 17 to 19 yo's."

I don't wish to ban you for what you believe. However, freedom of speech rights are restricted here, lest the forum turn into a cesspool.

As to MDawg, I don't read his trip reports so am not familiar with exactly what he is saying. I do know he is an attorney and members of said profession are masters at twisting words to say anything they wish and still wiggle out of a perjury accusation if confronted with evidence to the contrary. In this case, he could have a loose definition of "win," to include the value of comps and entertainment.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Km5OKZlp0

In my opinion, at least 90% of self-described advantage players simply aren't. They use confirmation bias to conveniently remember and exaggerate their wins and minimize or forget their losses. Of course, I am not making this accusation about MDawg, just making a generalization. Since you press me, I'll say that anyone who truly has beaten baccarat straight up (no counting comps, loss rebates, edge sorting, etc.) has just been lucky.

Why don't you challenge him to produce a tax return showing gambling winnings? If he declines, don't you think you'll have made your point?



Hello, Wizard.

There is no wriggle room here. I can go through his trip reports and give exact quotes if you wish.

He has stated in precise terms:

1) He wins at Baccarat NOT JUST OVERALL LONGTERM BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY CASH MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

2) In addition he gets comps that equal thousands per day in free RFB and shopping sprees (HOWEVER ADMITS HE DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR ANY KIND OF PROMO CHIPS OR FREEPLAY AT SAME CASINOS)

3) When pressed as to how he does it, by some Advantage play he wishes to keep secret HE HAS INSISTED CATEGORICALLY THAT HE USES NO SYSTEM OR ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN SIMPLY BEING MDAWG WHO HAS A SIXTH SENSE FOR KNOWING THINGS IN ADVANCE (such as whether to pick Player or Banker)

4) When the house edge and -EV is brought up HE HAS OUTRIGHT CLAIMED TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO BEAT THE MATHEMATICS OF NEGATIVE EXPECTATIONS WITH THE ONLY EXPLANATION BEING THAT IT'S TRUE, HERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS!

None of these are wishy washy interpretative statements he has made but clear and concise statements and they have gone on for hundreds of posts.
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SOOPOO
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November 27th, 2020 at 6:04:56 AM permalink
Mike suggested tax returns. I donít think there is a member who would post their tax return on an open forum to settle some silly bet.

I guess if the money was high enough....
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November 27th, 2020 at 6:07:58 AM permalink
Tax return assumes he claims all his ďwinningsĒ
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MDawg
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November 27th, 2020 at 7:01:43 AM permalink
With DarkOz he's like a combination of a broken record (repeatedly asking why MDawg didn't get any promo chips this trip - I already explained, now, for the twelve (or what you will) time, that the casino I was at for most all of this trip didn't give any promo chips out until very recently OTHER THAN for tournament wins) and someone who seems intent on adding his own twist to what has already been posted - specifically, I didn't post just "some pictures" I posted among other things live video of win statements while logged into my player card accounts. Recently, to prove that I had been fully comp'ed, I posted the actual in room television screens showing the folios.

Just the sheer volume of paid back markers I have posted indicates ongoing play. If I'd been blown out - would not have been so many markers, but then we're talking about people who don't know what it means that a marker has its signature torn out of it, which is fine, but when such people come in and say that "notice that he posts markers only at the beginning of his play" it indicates a lack of understanding that a signature torn out marker is obviously posted AFTER the play, after it has been paid back. Anyone who doesn't understand what it means to have converted winning chips to a casino check, hasn't played much in a casino - it means that the chips were free and clear and by implication, not purchased for cash, but rather - won! I could explain that further, but then - why? it's like trying to explain what chocolate tastes like to someone who has never seen it, in some cases with some of the people here. And then we have people who think that casino hosts or hotel staff would falsify records to show that someone won and was comp'ed when in fact he lost and did not get comp'ed. Absurd! And so on, as far as interpretations of the evidence that belie any kind of innate understanding of how casinos work.

I think the people who object the most to the evidence here are the ones least familiar with how all this works.

In other words, I think the reason someone like DarkOz seems intent on disputing what is clear and obvious is that he has no point of reference. By his own admission, he plays masked hiding his identity or sends in teams of people who do the same, who are using someone else's player card. Most all of these supposed AP players play in the shadow world, hiding or altering their identities, so of course they never get any above board comps or promotions in their own legitimate actual names. Then they assume that everyone else is like them, running and hiding.

Wizard we already nailed that down after REDietz's bizarre post in my thread. When I say that I win, or have won, I mean in the sense of dollars ahead. What else?

Anyway, if anyone is so certain that any of what I post is false, take up the MDawg Challenge. I am willing to return to Vegas to collect on that. Short of putting your money where your mouth is, this is going nowhere. As JP Morgan might have said, "The market is open!" (and not for too many hours today either), so, I'm back to business and have said, and posted, enough. At the end of the year when the casino win statements are available, I'm happy to provide them again and they will once again corroborate the exact wins claimed, if not more given that I tip out so much to the dealers and with their records, that is tossed in there with the total wins. From my point of view however, I went home with 74,000 more actual dollars than I arrived in Vegas with. I attest to that.
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MDawg
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November 27th, 2020 at 7:06:16 AM permalink
How about a simple challenge - to DarkOz or anyone else.

Post the level of proof I have posted - i.e. post pictures of the jackpots you have hit, since many of you AP'ers seem to be slots players, post live video of your win loss statements while logged into your casino accounts, post pictures of fifty grand of stacked chips if you're a table games player, post pictures of stacks of cash the casino gave you, post pictures of winning checks the casino cut you, post pictures of the in room television folio to show what your hotel bill has been after staying in the same suite for nearly forty nights to prove it was comp'ed, and post pictures of the actual suite and food you're getting comp'ed. I haven't seen anything from anyone else - nada.
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darkoz
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November 27th, 2020 at 7:13:09 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

How about a simple challenge - to DarkOz or anyone else.

Post the level of proof I have posted - i.e. post pictures of the jackpots you have hit, since many of you AP'ers seem to be slots players, post live video of your win loss statements while logged into your casino accounts, post pictures of fifty grand of stacked chips if you're a table games player, post pictures of stacks of cash the casino gave you, post pictures of winning checks the casino cut you, post pictures of the in room television folio to show what your hotel bill has been after staying in the same suite for nearly forty nights to prove it was comp'ed, and post pictures of the actual suite and food you're getting comp'ed. I haven't seen anything from anyone else - nada.



How about you posting an explanation of how you defy the math

How about you also explain why you have no FREEPLAY (stop explaining the promo chips and explain how you have no FREEPLAY. You keep ignoring that because you can't explain that one?)

How about you let someone witness actual casino play where you win (you claim it's every day. Won't take more than a few days of back to back winning to convince) like I did in my challenge

And how about you don't demand ridiculous amount of money to prove your assertion.
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November 27th, 2020 at 7:27:33 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard


Why don't you challenge him to produce a tax return showing gambling winnings? If he declines, don't you think you'll have made your point?



I don't want to see tax returns or any documentation that can be manipulated. I am willing to make up to a 6 figure wager, but the proof is me and several people witness his play.

If I came on this forum claiming that I can run a 3 minute mile (43 seconds faster than the recognized world record), surely people would challenge that claim. So for any kind of wager, would the proof be that I produce documents from people "claiming" to have seen me run a 3 minute mile, or would the proof be people get to witness me run a 3 minute mile?
MDawg
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November 27th, 2020 at 7:29:01 AM permalink
Listen broken record DO, I already explained all that.

Again, post something along the lines of what I have posted, if it is so easy to fabricate. It is not. If you have any proof of anything that you do, post it. Or, stop bothering the real people who do post proof.


Quote: TigerWu

Some of you guys are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, here...

MDawg's superstition-based beliefs can easily be disproved. Fine. But it does not call into question many of his other claims. How many Asian whales are there that are ten times more superstitious? Are they lying about being billionaires?

He's even posted proof of many of his claims that no one has been able to disprove; claims, as I have said before, that aren't even remotely unbelievable, which makes the criticisms even more ridiculous. Betting $500 or $1000 or $5000 a hand is nothing in Vegas. Winning $30,000 in a session happens every freaking day.

I see the same old weak arguments from some of y'all;

"Why is a rich guy hanging out with us poor slobs?"

"That's a fake watch!"

"You borrowed those chips from the casino just to take a picture!"

"Fake this! Fake that! Wah wah wah!"

And of course my favorite one of all:

"There was another guy on here years ago that lied; that means MDawg is lying too!"

So what if he's superstitious. So what if he likes to stroke his ego. Just block him if you don't like his stories. This MDawg harassment is getting old.




Quote: TigerWu

MDawg is the best thing to happen to this forum in months for some people... they can't get enough of him! Haha...

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November 27th, 2020 at 7:54:43 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Hello, Wizard.

There is no wriggle room here. I can go through his trip reports and give exact quotes if you wish.

He has stated in precise terms:

1) He wins at Baccarat NOT JUST OVERALL LONGTERM BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY CASH MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

2) In addition he gets comps that equal thousands per day in free RFB and shopping sprees (HOWEVER ADMITS HE DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR ANY KIND OF PROMO CHIPS OR FREEPLAY AT SAME CASINOS)

3) When pressed as to how he does it, by some Advantage play he wishes to keep secret HE HAS INSISTED CATEGORICALLY THAT HE USES NO SYSTEM OR ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN SIMPLY BEING MDAWG WHO HAS A SIXTH SENSE FOR KNOWING THINGS IN ADVANCE (such as whether to pick Player or Banker)

4) When the house edge and -EV is brought up HE HAS OUTRIGHT CLAIMED TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO BEAT THE MATHEMATICS OF NEGATIVE EXPECTATIONS WITH THE ONLY EXPLANATION BEING THAT IT'S TRUE, HERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS!

None of these are wishy washy interpretative statements he has made but clear and concise statements and they have gone on for hundreds of posts.



MDawg is allowed to say those things. The rest of the forum may say they don't believe him, but they may not say MDawg is lying. Assuming your paraphrasing is correct, I wouldn't believe him either in the same way I don't believe Alan's 18 yo's in a row.

Let me respond to other comments about the tax return idea. MDawg comes to Vegas a lot. If he is willing, I would be willing to look at his tax return and report only on what he lists under gambling winnings. I am also willing to look at casino annual win/loss statements, although these are not very reliable and he could cherry pick those that show wins. Still, it would be something.

Finally, let me suggest a radical idea. If you are bothered by MDawg's claims, then don't read his posts.
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DeMango
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November 27th, 2020 at 8:04:23 AM permalink
Yup we need a whole lot less folks here getting upset over the dawg.
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