And A Baccarat Winning System
You know the game will come back down, because you have the 50.6% edge on wins/losses. So, you can put that in any simulation and see that betting systems actually do work. Just stop the simulation when you reach the 1 unit bet again. The 50.6% edge will bring the progression down to 1 unit, all you have to do is make sure that your bets cover the previous loss after taking out the vig., and you win automatically when the 50.6% edge brings the progression down to 1 unit again.
Unless you believe that 50.6% is going to shoot under 50% and therefore will never be able to get the betting down to 1 unit again. AKA Cheating. But, in a fair game, the longer you play the better your chances of returning to 1 unit, because of the winning edge.
So, for the mathematically impaired, betting systems really do work.
Everyone understand?
Should be fun watching some of these guys try to turn this into a loser. " x2-4n+73i-2p^4(7i)m = 2pi-n42+7rn(6p^3) This equation clearly shows how 50.6%=49.3% thus proving this betting system will not ever return to the 1 unit original bet, as 49.3% would push the betting higher and higher never to return to the 1 unit bet. And since we've shown with this equation that 50.6%=49.3% you can clearly see the system is a loser." LOL
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI would claim that you were wrong if I had any idea what the hell you were talking about.
Exactly what I was talking about. LOL
What don't you understand? It's just a D'alembert, only exception is betting high enough to cover the previous loss.
Ex 85-90-95-100-110-120-130-140-150-160-170-180-190-200-215-230-245... etc.
If you lose at $100 your next bet has to be $110 to cover the vig. and make a profit over the $100 previous bet. This way every win produces a profit, just like a regular D'Alembert, and you're able to beat the HE as well.
Quote: JyBrd0403Betting Banker and playing the D'Alembert, the vig. is taken out for you. So, all you have to do is make sure the next bet will produce a profit over the previous loss. If you bet $100 and lose, betting $105 won't produce a profit because of the $5 vig. $105 pays $100. So instead of $105, bet $110. If you lose the $110 instead of betting $115, bet $120. The HE is Beat.
Are you really willing to risk thousands and thousands of dollars in order to win a couple bucks? What happens if your consecutive losses make you either run out of money or hit the table max?
Every individual bet in baccarat has a house edge. How have you managed to add those individual negative expectations and create a positive expectation? -1+-1=-2 is significantly simpler than x2-4n+73i-2p^4(7i)m = 2pi-n42+7rn(6p^3)...
Quote: JyBrd0403Exactly what I was talking about. LOL
What don't you understand? It's just a D'alembert, only exception is betting high enough to cover the previous loss.
Ex 85-90-95-100-110-120-130-140-150-160-170-180-190-200-215-230-245... etc.
If you lose at $100 your next bet has to be $110 to cover the vig. and make a profit over the $100 previous bet. This way every win produces a profit, just like a regular D'Alembert, and you're able to beat the HE as well.
So why are you wasting your time and ours instead of playing baccarat right now? You could be making millions as we speak!
It's hard to understand how casinos are still in business, since they are so easily beaten by a betting system that has literally been being used for hundreds of years. But don't worry, I'm sure that you will be the one to actually beat them! In a couple of years you will be rich! Rich I tell you! And MGM will be out of business.
Quote: rdw4potusAre you really willing to risk thousands and thousands of dollars in order to win a couple bucks? What happens if your consecutive losses make you either run out of money or hit the table max?
Every individual bet in baccarat has a house edge. How have you managed to add those individual negative expectations and create a positive expectation? -1+-1=-2 is significantly simpler than x2-4n+73i-2p^4(7i)m = 2pi-n42+7rn(6p^3)...
The point is, the system wins. It does what is said to be impossible to do.
I don't know why you think you have to change the HE in order to win. You don't. You honestly believe that since the house has an edge that if I lose $100 and win $105 I somehow lost money there? And, remember Banker has a 50.6% advantage on wins and losses. That's positive I think.
Quote: JyBrd0403The point is, the system wins. It does what is said to be impossible to do.
I don't know why you think you have to change the HE in order to win. You don't. You honestly believe that since the house has an edge that if I lose $100 and win $105 I somehow lost money there? And, remember Banker has a 50.6% advantage on wins and losses. That's positive I think.
Did you know that if you bet all the numbers but one in roulette, you win 37 times out of 38? And if you bet them all you win 100% of the time!
Quote: JyBrd0403The point is, the system wins. It does what is said to be impossible to do.
I don't know why you think you have to change the HE in order to win. You don't. You honestly believe that since the house has an edge that if I lose $100 and win $105 I somehow lost money there? And, remember Banker has a 50.6% advantage on wins and losses. That's positive I think.
JyBrd, will you subject your system to testing over 1 billion hands? If so I will accept you action.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSo why are you wasting your time and ours instead of playing baccarat right now? You could be making millions as we speak!
It's hard to understand how casinos are still in business, since they are so easily beaten by a betting system that has literally been being used for hundreds of years. But don't worry, I'm sure that you will be the one to actually beat them! In a couple of years you will be rich! Rich I tell you! And MGM will be out of business.
Casinos cheat, man. Pay attention.
Quote: JyBrd0403The point is, the system wins. It does what is said to be impossible to do.
I don't know why you think you have to change the HE in order to win. You don't. You honestly believe that since the house has an edge that if I lose $100 and win $105 I somehow lost money there? And, remember Banker has a 50.6% advantage on wins and losses. That's positive I think.
Not it is not if the bet only pays 0.95 of the stake.
The chance of something winning or losing is not, by itself, an indicator of an advantage or 'positive'.
You don't need the house edge to change to win. But to have a positive expectation of winning you do need one of the series of bets to have an advantage. This schema does not.
Quote: thecesspitNot it is not if the bet only pays 0.95 of the stake.
The chance of something winning or losing is not, by itself, an indicator of an advantage or 'positive'.
You don't need the house edge to change to win. But to have a positive expectation of winning you do need one of the series of bets to have an advantage. This schema does not.
So, you're saying this system won't win? How exactly do you think it will lose? You think that it will never return to the 1 unit original bet? Because, that's the only way it could lose, is if it never returns to the 1 unit bet. So, unless 50.6%=49.3% I can't see how it could lose, can you?
Quote: JyBrd0403Casinos cheat, man. Pay attention.
Of course! There is no other way that sometimes with a 50.6% chance of winning, some sequence of bets could win less than 50%. They must be cheating. Silly me.
Hey, have you heard of this "variance" thing that all the cool kids are talking about? I don't believe it for a second, mind you -- next they are going to be telling us that we evolved from monkeys -- but, still it's worth looking into just to have all your bases covered.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceOf course! There is no other way that sometimes with a 50.6% chance of winning, some sequence of bets could win less than 50%. They must be cheating. Silly me.
Hey, have you heard of this "variance" thing that all the cool kids are talking about? I don't believe it for a second, mind you -- next they are going to be telling us that we evolved from monkeys -- but, still it's worth looking into just to have all your bases covered.
Yes, casinos cheat. Horse races get cheated, Pro and College baseball football and basketball teams take dives. It's true. But, we were talking about whether this system works or not. And variance doesn't mean anything if the end result is 50.6% in the Bankers favor.
Quote: JyBrd0403Betting Banker and playing the D'Alembert, the vig. is taken out for you. So, all you have to do is make sure the next bet will produce a profit over the previous loss. If you bet $100 and lose, betting $105 won't produce a profit because of the $5 vig. $105 pays $100. So instead of $105, bet $110. If you lose the $110 instead of betting $115, bet $120. The HE is Beat.
You know the game will come back down, because you have the 50.6% edge on wins/losses. So, you can put that in any simulation and see that betting systems actually do work. Just stop the simulation when you reach the 1 unit bet again. The 50.6% edge will bring the progression down to 1 unit, all you have to do is make sure that your bets cover the previous loss after taking out the vig., and you win automatically when the 50.6% edge brings the progression down to 1 unit again.
Unless you believe that 50.6% is going to shoot under 50% and therefore will never be able to get the betting down to 1 unit again. AKA Cheating. But, in a fair game, the longer you play the better your chances of returning to 1 unit, because of the winning edge.
So, for the mathematically impaired, betting systems really do work.
Everyone understand?
Should be fun watching some of these guys try to turn this into a loser. " x2-4n+73i-2p^4(7i)m = 2pi-n42+7rn(6p^3) This equation clearly shows how 50.6%=49.3% thus proving this betting system will not ever return to the 1 unit original bet, as 49.3% would push the betting higher and higher never to return to the 1 unit bet. And since we've shown with this equation that 50.6%=49.3% you can clearly see the system is a loser." LOL
OMG YOURE RIGHT.
Where do you play? I wanna short the stock before news of this system spreads.
All the best OP, I wish you nothing but success. Hit them hard!
Quote: JyBrd0403Yes, casinos cheat. Horse races get cheated, Pro and College baseball football and basketball teams take dives. It's true. But, we were talking about whether this system works or not. And variance doesn't mean anything if the end result is 50.6% in the Bankers favor.
50.6%? where are you playing? You're getting cheated. When I bet banker, the end result is 50.7% in my favor.
Quote: TomspurPlease don't encourage this man. Just let the thread die. We have been down this road on too many occasions.
All the best OP, I wish you nothing but success. Hit them hard!
Aren't you employed by a casino?
You should be wishing there were more guys like this.
Quote: JyBrd0403Yes, casinos cheat. Horse races get cheated, Pro and College baseball football and basketball teams take dives. It's true. But, we were talking about whether this system works or not. And variance doesn't mean anything if the end result is 50.6% in the Bankers favor.
End result? It ends? How long do you have to play before it ends?
Quote: michael99000Aren't you employed by a casino?
You should be wishing there were more guys like this.
I am indeed in the employ of a casino however I differentiate between my casino persona and my WoV persona. I'm here as a lover of gambling and all things gaming related, not as a casino employee.
Otherwise I would have all the dirt on youse guyses :)
Quote: IbeatyouracesIn other words, as a player, Tom is on our side!
Exactly. My work is also my hobby :)
Quote: wudgedThis guy shows up every 1-2 months arguing over basic math. How is this not considered trolling at this point?
FTFY:-)
Quote: JyBrd0403x2-4n+73i-2p^4(7i)m = 2pi-n42+7rn(6p^3) This equation clearly shows how 50.6%=49.3%
This equation clearly shows how 50.6%=49.3%
50.6%=49.3%
As a casino employee too, isn't he? It's in his best interest that we play.Quote: IbeatyouracesIn other words, as a player, Tom is on our side!
Unless you are able to win more than 50% of yer placed bets, like the gr88888888one, you need to win more money on yer winning bets than you lose on yer losing bets. For example, the above sequence of real money wins and losses would yield a lousy strike rate of 16.666666666666666%, but that same sequence of ten losses followed by two wins would alllow me to capture 25 units of sweet, sweet profits, hey hey.
Quote: kubikulannAs a casino employee too, isn't he? It's in his best interest that we play.
I would never denounce that logic. Only thing is, as a casino employee I have different obligations to what I have when I'm strictly a player.
Neither is a deal breaker, just different :)
Quote: soxfanLLLLLLLLLLWW
Unless you are able to win more than 50% of yer placed bets, like the gr88888888one, you need to win more money on yer winning bets than you lose on yer losing bets. For example, the above sequence of real money wins and losses would yield a lousy strike rate of 16.666666666666666%, but that same sequence of ten losses followed by two wins would alllow me to capture 25 units of sweet, sweet profits, hey hey.
How does WWLLLLLLLLLL work out for you?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHow does WWLLLLLLLLLL work out for you?
That sequence would yield three units of sweet profits, hey hey.
Quote: soxfanThat sequence would yield three units of sweet profits, hey hey.
Nice, so all you gotta do is know ahead of time which two hands in a 12 hand sequence will be the winners, bet big on those, and cash those chips in.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHow does WWLLLLLLLLLL work out for you?
Before you ask...
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
yields 2 units of sweet profit for him
I like to usually buy something to eat at the Palms and then after eating watch the tables instead of smoking nowadays.
Also makes me not feel so bad about beating casinos, I'm just grabbing Asian bac money into my bank account. I feel I should be buying them comps!
Quote: djatcI find baccarat tables to be fascinating at times. As I walk through and see the board of banker or player wins that tail off to the right every Asian player from the other tables congregate and place bets on the streak. The table that fits 6 now is overflowing with 2 bets on each square.
I like to usually buy something to eat at the Palms and then after eating watch the tables instead of smoking nowadays.
Also makes me not feel so bad about beating casinos, I'm just grabbing Asian bac money into my bank account. I feel I should be buying them comps!
Haha yeah the casinos are definately not going to go broke as long as there is Asians playing baccarat!
I often see young Asians drop between $2000-$10,000 even on low limit tables within a matter of 20 minutes.
Quote: Walkinshaw30tHaha yeah the casinos are definately not going to go broke as long as there is Asians playing baccarat!
I often see young Asians drop between $2000-$10,000 even on low limit tables within a matter of 20 minutes.
I play Bac at the Horseshoe in Cincy. 95% of the players are Asian. Watched a young Asians lose 95k betting against a string of 14 bankers in a row. Four days later he's buying in for 35k. I always bet with him.........play against him, he breaks out the stare.
Quote: treetopbuddyI play Bac at the Horseshoe in Cincy. 95% of the players are Asian. Watched a young Asians lose 95k betting against a string of 14 bankers in a row. Four days later he's buying in for 35k. I always bet with him.........play against him, he breaks out the stare.
Haha yeh I think its funny that people get angry when you bet against them
Quote: soxfanThat sequence would yield three units of sweet profits, hey hey.
soxfan, always one shrewd cat, is employing the 'target method'...I believe.
I don't know the math of these things, but I do know I don't pay state taxes.
Quote: treetopbuddysoxfan, always one shrewd cat, is employing the 'target method'...I believe.
That's pretty funny, but no I don't use the "target" style, hey hey.
Quote: MrWarmthIf betting systems worked (meaning, you win every time), then I would be paying my own state taxes rather than relying on the casinos to do that.
I don't know the math of these things, but I do know I don't pay state taxes.
Why does everyone assume that everyone can do it or the casino will shutdown if a system is good. I think a lot of people are just looking for a system that is good enough to make some extra cash and not a system that can shutdown casinos.
Also, why does everyone come here to argue that there is no system instead of trying to work together to come up with one. We don't need a system to bring down the house. We just need a system to gain 50 to maybe 100 on a visit. Where are all the Math Wizard here? I think if they put their heads together, they will probably come up with something.
For those that doesn't believe that their might be one, why even bother to come here looking for one?
I've heard he is a big fan of "sure-win" it runs;Quote: treetopbuddysoxfan, always one shrewd cat, is employing the 'target method'...I believe.
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you have to "let any winning bet ride" (a full parlay), horrendous mess if you do not snare a back to back win within a number of trials, oink oink.
Quote: Babu76Why does everyone assume that everyone can do it or the casino will shutdown if a system is good. I think a lot of people are just looking for a system that is good enough to make some extra cash and not a system that can shutdown casinos.
Also, why does everyone come here to argue that there is no system instead of trying to work together to come up with one. We don't need a system to bring down the house. We just need a system to gain 50 to maybe 100 on a visit. Where are all the Math Wizard here? I think if they put their heads together, they will probably come up with something.
For those that doesn't believe that their might be one, why even bother to come here looking for one?
Every bet has a -EV for the player. How do you add up a bunch of negative numbers and reach a positive one?
If you want a winning system, contact Phil ivey.
Quote: RSEvery her has a -EV for the player. How do you add up a bunch of negative numbers and reach a positive one?
If you want a winning system, contact Phil ivey.
Duh you don't add up the negative numbers. You multiply them:)
Quote: Lemieux66Duh you don't add up the negative numbers. You multiply them:)
So THAT is how EvenBob beats roulette!
Quote: RSEvery bet has a -EV for the player. How do you add up a bunch of negative numbers and reach a positive one?
If you want a winning system, contact Phil ivey.
Since you brought up EV (Expected Value). I'm wondering what the EV is for a D'Alembert System for 100 trials on a 49% game. You're suppose to be down only -2 on Wins/Losses and the D'Alembert would win 49 units. What's the EV on that about +46 or so, for 100 trials?
Yeah, Phil Ivey, what are the kids calling it now, Edge Sorting. LOL I read that the casinos were looking for marks on the cards, and couldn't find any marks. LOL.
