24/7 Private Vaults Robbed
April 16, 2012 16:30 Safe Deposit Boxes Robbed: There was a major robbery last night at 24/7 Private Vaults, formerly Sovereign Security, on E. Sunset. Apparently, the night security guard left the premises to go out for a smoke and was jumped by a group of robbers who drilled into approximately 50 percent of the VIP private vaults there. Look out for more coverage on Channel 8 this evening; it's only speculation on our part, but we're guessing millions were probably taken in the heist, and that the "security" guard is now in search of alternative employment.
Note that this is a separate VIP vault section. Apparently the main section was untouched.
ETA: 24/7 Private Vaults.
Gonna be hard to file a claim for a secret vault.
Sounds inside job anyway.
325.00 a year for smallest box.
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM THE AUTHENTICITY OF THIS REPORTED BURGLARY????
Unintended consequence of making the guy go outside for a smoke when he's there alone on the graveyard shift.
Quote: QuadDeucesUnintended consequence of making the guy go outside for a smoke when he's there alone on the graveyard shift.
My guess he wasn't supposed to leave his job to go have a smoke.
Quote: QuadDeucesI would hope not, but if he could smoke inside they would have had to find another vulnerability.
Why would he need to smoke inside? If you can't swing a shift at work sans drugs maybe it is time to rethink things.
Just wait ...
Quote: MrVInside job.
Just wait ...
Hell if I was the owner I would have done it myself. Anonymous safes. No names associated w safes. Lot's of people trying to hide money. If 12 police property loss reports are filed I would be amazed
Quote: Wavy70Hell if I was the owner I would have done it myself.
There are still some honorable men in the world. Good to know where you stand.
Quote: QuadDeucesThere are still some honorable men in the world. Good to know where you stand.
I trust that the good Lord will give me only the where with all to be moderately decadent at worst/best. If I win Powerball I plan to ratchet it up a few clicks.
But you gotta admit. This could or will be a CSI. The new owners hire a chronic smoker to work overnight wiht no relief. He steps out and is jumped.
but w CSI the guard would have been gutted and tossed in the tank at the GN or dropped from the rafters of Chris Angels show.
Strange there was so little media coverage. I understand it was mainly poker players and sports bettors who used it.
>(And since the guy was jumped and possibly forced to facilitate access to the VIP section of the vault,
>I guess it's actually a robbery as originally reported, not a burglary.)
At common law, burglary was the breaking and entering of a dwelling house of another at nighttime with intent to commit a felony therein. Various statutory changes extend the crime to commercial property. So it would be burglary. Larceny of the person would be taking his cigarettes by picking his pocket, taking them by force or fear is Robbery. And the robbery has to be property in his possession, the guard possesses his cigarettes and keys but does not possess the items inside the lockboxes.
>Unintended consequence of making the guy go outside for a smoke when he's there alone on the graveyard shift.
Not really. He shouldn't smoke. And he shouldn't go outside. One armored car driver would smoke and he would do it by opening the drivers door to exhale, so a criminal gang just set up a sniper rifle and took him out with a shot right between the eyes then rushed inside and drove the armored truck away from the bank.
Lockboxes are sometimes hit by simply renting hotel rooms so many times that the renter has keys made for so many of the boxes. Sometimes lockboxes are hit by an unrealized hiding place inside the lockup, such as when two rows of boxes meet at a wall and there is a corner void. Sometimes lockboxes are hit by midgets or robots brought inside the lockup.
And ofcourse sometimes armored cars and lockboxes are nothing but a front for organized crime. That is more and more common.
I have joined the group this morning to respond to your report. I respectfully submit this correction of your report for the group and for anyone doing an Online search of 24/7 Private Vaults. Thank you for your concern regarding the company. You have not mentioned your source of information, and, I know that when such an ordeal takes place, conflicting emotional responses and speculations can cause the working of mistaken reports.
I work at 24/7 Private Vaults. There was an incident on Saturday morning, but your facts are all wrong. No employee left the building. The employee was captured as she sat at her proper station doing exactly what she is charged to do on this job. She was very brave and did all that she could possibly do under the circumstances to protect the customers of this business. It is my understanding that she wishes to continue working here. The number of boxes you reported as involved is also quite wrong, there were far far less than what you reported, and, I do not know what percentage of those actually had been leased or which held any contents. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of my comments. We hope and pray that the perpetrators are caught and the mystery solved with respect to the actual facts of this case.
Quote: odiousgambitI have come to find out recently that bank vaults are definitely a desirable target for the smarter criminal. They can't prove the "armed" bit for one thing, and the take is huge compared to the average hit and run. There are tons of stories of these vaults being robbed, sometimes the criminals can only be called absolutely brilliant.
A couple of years back, some gang, as yet at large, broke into a bank in Mexico City and did a number on the safe deposit boxes there. They tunneled into the bank, just like in the movies, from the building next door. I believe this was during the weekend, when the banks is closed and empty, but I forget the details.
The bank had a long and very public fight with its customers regarding what it would pay for the property stolen, as there was no inventory kept of the content of the boxes. The content is private, after all. And of course the bank relied on an insurance company. It's a bit of a mess, still.
Quote: CynthiaNeunDear QuadDeuces,
I have joined the group this morning to respond to your report. I respectfully submit this correction of your report for the group and for anyone doing an Online search of 24/7 Private Vaults. Thank you for your concern regarding the company. You have not mentioned your source of information, and, I know that when such an ordeal takes place, conflicting emotional responses and speculations can cause the working of mistaken reports.
I work at 24/7 Private Vaults. There was an incident on Saturday morning, but your facts are all wrong. No employee left the building. The employee was captured as she sat at her proper station doing exactly what she is charged to do on this job. She was very brave and did all that she could possibly do under the circumstances to protect the customers of this business. It is my understanding that she wishes to continue working here. The number of boxes you reported as involved is also quite wrong, there were far far less than what you reported, and, I do not know what percentage of those actually had been leased or which held any contents. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of my comments. We hope and pray that the perpetrators are caught and the mystery solved with respect to the actual facts of this case.
Cynthia, do you know a man named Irwin Schiff? Yea, I googled your name.
Quote: 1BBCynthia, do you know a man named Irwin Schiff? Yea, I googled your name.
Huh, appropriate day to be reading about tax fraud and one more reason to use an assumed name on a public forum.
Wikipedia says On February 23, 2006 Cynthia Neun was sentenced to 68 months in prison and was ordered to pay over $1.1 million in restitution.
You claim you work at 24/7 Private Vaults.
Their ad claims they are bonded.
I am surprised that a bonding company would issue a bond, especially one as high as 24/7 Private Vaults would presumably require, to a company with a convicted felon on the payroll.
If what you say is true ... curious ...
Quote: NareedA couple of years back, some gang, as yet at large, broke into a bank in Mexico City and did a number on the safe deposit boxes there. They tunneled into the bank, just like in the movies, from the building next door. I believe this was during the weekend, when the banks is closed and empty, but I forget the details.
That sounds like a movie I saw. I forgot the title, but if NetFlix keeps past records I could find out. The plot of the movie was that a team of thieves tunneled into a Mexico City bank, stole whatever, and then quickly flew to Buenos Aires to hang low for a while. However, as I recall, in Buenos Aires, some thieves there stole the money from them. They may have been tipped off by a mole on the Mexico City crew. I don't recall the details very well.
Quote: WizardThat sounds like a movie I saw. I forgot the title, but if NetFlix keeps past records I could find out. The plot of the movie was that a team of thieves tunneled into a Mexico City bank, stole whatever, and then quickly flew to Buenos Aires to hang low for a while. However, as I recall, in Buenos Aires, some thieves there stole the money from them. They may have been tipped off by a mole on the Mexico City crew. I don't recall the details very well.
it could be they took the incident to plot the movie, like Law and Order used to do every week. As I recall, the "tunnel" was actually a hole through the walls in both buildings. Building customs in Mexico put adjacent buldings wall-to-wall to each other, even in the case of private homes. It gives cities a very crowded look. And as far as I know the theives were never caught.
Can't wait for this to show up on CSI...
Quote: CynthiaNeunBut, the message thread we are addressing here is the correction and accountability of reports being published about 24/7 Private Vaults where there is misinformation being passed around which has caused and which may continue to cause concern for the customers of this business.
Considering there was no communication from your company, what do you expect except rumors?
I did cite where I got the information: Las Vegas Advisor. They cited News Channel 8 but I haven't seen anything reported by them.
And for those of you criticizing her incarceration, she could have come in here with a fake name or handle but didn't. As far as I can tell she's a free woman because our government's legal system determined that she should now be free. I think she has a lot of courage to speak with her name here and the whiners here hiding behind your anonymous handles are the real losers.
It sounds like a horrible event and I have several friends who have/had boxes there. I hope that the damage from the crime was a minimal as Ms. Neun seems to imply that it was.
I agree that it was brave of her to use her own name, etc.
However, the question is more whether it was legal to hire someone with a record for the job she held. Assuming it was legal, end of discussion.
Personally, I have never been in jail, nor do I know anyone who has been conviced. This is not smugness, but just illustrating an ignorance of the criminal justice system, and in particular, how a criminal record affects a person's ability to obtain certain types of jobs once they have completed their sentence.
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As far as "hiding behind psedonyms" goes, I have recently asked the Wiz to change my user name. It can't be done.
However, it would take very little effort to figure out my real name, as well as my phone number. There are hundreds of links in various posts that point to my personal websites, all of which contain my phone number on every page, some of which contain my name within the url.
I'll save you the trouble:
Dave Miller
973-896-7905
Poker For Roulette
Admin note: removed link to www.djteddybear.com]DJ Teddy Bear[/url
Reverend Dave Miller
Dave Miller Entertainment
DJ Dave Miller
Quote: DavidMatthewsI'd just like to say thank you to Ms. Neun for coming in here to tell the business's side of the story. I am surprised at the immaturity on display by some of the members here. When I registered for this forum, I had to verify that I was at least 21 years of age. I'm not sure about some of the people in this message thread. Maybe we should ask for ID. They act like they're 10 years old.
1. When you registered, the minimum age was 21. That rule has been revoked since then. Not to say that the folks involved here are under 21, but they could be...
2. It's not immature to ask how an individual who was convicted of a felony involving money could become bonded. A large part of the purpose of bonding is to protect against that very situation.
Quote: rainmanWould you hire a felon to watch your cash register?
That depends on the crime, doesn't it? I'd consider hiring a recovering crack addict for the job, or maybe someone who committed involuntary manslaughter. But not someone who'd committed an armed robbery or an embezzler or tax-evader.
Quote: rainmanOk sir. but no whining when your crack addicts demons resuface and he robs your till. :]
lol! probably less likely than with the embezzler or armed robber;)
With all the technology used by this outfit, security is only as strong as the weakest link, which we now see is the human element. I suspected that all along, but Mr Elliot's claim that the premises is staffed by 2 people at all times in different locations, seemed to ease that for me. After this incident, I don't see how that claim can be true. ??
Anyway, for me, the use of 24/7 was probably overkill. I play blackjack for a living and wanted the convenience of being able to access funds on a weekend, particularly a long holiday weekend, should I exhaust my playing bankroll. I only keep a modest part of my funds at this location, and that actually makes it not very cost efficient for me as I am paying about 1%, which is a high price to pay for this convenience that I only take advantage of a couple times a year, so I am now re-thinking my options.
Quote: QuadDeucesFrom Las Vegas Advisor:
April 16, 2012 16:30 Safe Deposit Boxes Robbed: There was a major robbery last night at 24/7 Private Vaults, formerly Sovereign Security, on E. Sunset. Apparently, the night security guard left the premises to go out for a smoke and was jumped by a group of robbers who drilled into approximately 50 percent of the VIP private vaults there. Look out for more coverage on Channel 8 this evening; it's only speculation on our part, but we're guessing millions were probably taken in the heist, and that the "security" guard is now in search of alternative employment.
Note that this is a separate VIP vault section. Apparently the main section was untouched.
ETA: 24/7 Private Vaults.
update
• April 16, 2012 08:26 Safe Deposit Boxes Robbed: There was a major robbery last night at 24/7 Private Vaults, formerly Sovereign Security, on E. Sunset. And initial report that a night security guard left the premises to smoke and was jumped by a group of robbers appears to be unfounded. New information indicates the perpetrators broke into the VIP private vaults from the outside. It's only speculation on our part, but we're guessing millions were probably taken in the heist.
Quote: FleaStiffNot on google; not in local electronic media.
Sounds inside job anyway.
325.00 a year for smallest box.
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM THE AUTHENTICITY OF THIS REPORTED BURGLARY????
(bumped)
Lack of main stream news media reporting of this event is suspicious particularly when its a juicy one for any tv station much less one in Las Vegas.
Reporters asleep? Or reporters checking facts first and not falling for something?
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/apr/17/robber-strike-safe-deposit-box-business-victims-as/
I sent an email to LVRJ or LVS earlier this morning, tipping them off and asking why this wasn't in the papers.
Quote: pacomartinupdate
• April 16, 2012 08:26 Safe Deposit Boxes Robbed: There was a major robbery last night at 24/7 Private Vaults, formerly Sovereign Security, on E. Sunset. And initial report that a night security guard left the premises to smoke and was jumped by a group of robbers appears to be unfounded. New information indicates the perpetrators broke into the VIP private vaults from the outside. It's only speculation on our part, but we're guessing millions were probably taken in the heist.
Using LVA as a source? As noted, this has hit some real news outlets.
Quote: PokeraddictQuote: pacomartinupdate
• April 16, 2012 08:26 Safe Deposit Boxes Robbed: There was a major robbery last night at 24/7 Private Vaults, formerly Sovereign Security, on E. Sunset. And initial report that a night security guard left the premises to smoke and was jumped by a group of robbers appears to be unfounded. New information indicates the perpetrators broke into the VIP private vaults from the outside. It's only speculation on our part, but we're guessing millions were probably taken in the heist.
Using LVA as a source? As noted, this has hit some real news outlets.[/q
D'oh. Post error. But I was gonna say that for about 16 hours LVA was the only source.I have a bewitched egg that I use to play VP with and I have net over 900k with it.
Quote:But I was gonna say that for about 16 hours LVA was the only source.
Who posted the wrong story on two fronts. All they got right is that it happened, but the details were not correct. Sorry, after that whole tout service scandal, when I see LVA being used as a source I cringe, unless of course they are reporting on where to get the half price buffets. They are great for that.
</derailing rant>
Now back to the thread.
I doubt it was a massive haul and I'm not sure how it could have happened without collusion.
Quote: FleaStiffI am still doubtful even though its now reached mainstream media.
I doubt it was a massive haul and I'm not sure how it could have happened without collusion.
It is my understanding that more than 100 boxes in the VIP section were drilled into. The smallest box in the regular section starts at $325 a year. In the VIP section boxes can run 4 figures. If someone is laying out 4 figures for a box, what do you think they are keeping in that box. I don't think it's their children's high school graduation pictures. I'll bet this heist was in excess of 10 million, but it is impossible to ever really find out.
Some interesting facts on 'Mr Elliot'. In the late 1990's Mr Elliot Shaikin (note spelling with an H) founded Sovereign Solutions a business at 3110 East sunset road, Las Vegas, that provided untraceable personal security vaults.
Sometime after that either the business changed names or a new business, 24/7 Private Vaults was started at the same location. The 24/7 Private Vault webpage lists Elliot Skaikin as the owner (spelled with a K)
The business changed names and the owner changed names. Ok business change names. Not that unusual. The owners name? Confusion somewhere along the line??
Making things even more confusing is that Mr Elliot Shaikin (H) has both a facebook page and a mylife.com page complete with his picture, the very same picture from the 24/7 Private Vaults website, where he proclaims himself to be the owner of 24/7 Private Vaults, except again, on the website page his name is spelled differently.
So, did he misspell his name when he initially founded Sovereign Solutions?? Probably not. Did he misspell his name on his private facebook and mylife pages? Doubtful.
Then why is the name on the 24/7 Private Vaults website spelled differently?? Just a misspelling on a company website that went unnoticed for 13 years?? Seems like somewhere along the line he is trying to be misleading.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Elliot-Shaikin/100001910971702
http://www.24-7privatevaults.com/about.php
Misleading to licensing and bonding companies perhaps?Quote: kewljThen why is the name on the 24/7 Private Vaults website spelled differently?? Just a misspelling on a company website that went unnoticed for 13 years?? Seems like somewhere along the line he is trying to be misleading.
What is the easiest way to rob an armored car company? Own it.
What is the easiest way to rob a locked box company? Own it.
