Senate Races 2014
Quote: EvenBobAll BS. If she runs they will have a field day
with all crap she pulled.
In election time, only buffoons will have a field day.
At a debate it will be only a joke at best. And it's already old news. No one died. No prosecutions forthcoming. Not much at all.
Quote: rxwine
At a debate it will be only a joke at best. .
It would be mentioned all the time, who
wants a president that did something
like this. It's reprehensible. She has no
chance anyway, too old and too dumb.
Quote: EvenBobAll BS. If she runs they will have a field day
with all crap she pulled.
"Detailed genealogical investigation by a group of Cherokee genealogists[31] showed that Warren had no Cherokee or other Native American ancestry. The findings are set forth at the blog Thoughts From Polly’s Grandaughter[32] which based the research on over one hundred primary sources,[33] and detailed the findings:
The team and I have done an exhaustive search on the genealogy of Elizabeth Warren. We have researched ALL of her ancestral lines, but have only posted those she claimed were Indian here in the blog. None of her direct line ancestors are ever shown to be anything other than white, dating back to long before the Trail of Tears."
http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/elizabeth-warren-native-american-cherokee-controversy/
I'm not totally convinced she doesn't have Indian blood. The Trail of Tears is mentioned here which I believe occurred in the 1830's. Does that mean her possible Indian ancestors were removed to Oklahoma? The reservation system was abolished in Oklahoma about 1900. And many of mixed blood passed themselves off as full blood white to avoid discrimination.
Quote: mickeycrimm
I'm not totally convinced she doesn't have Indian blood. .
Everybody else is. There's not a shred of
evidence in her history that points to it and
she didn't even start mentioning it till she
was in her 30's. She has zero proof, it's
an obvious lie to get her ahead in her
university career.
Quote: EvenBobEverybody else is. There's not a shred of
evidence in her history that points to it and
she didn't even start mentioning it till she
was in her 30's. She has zero proof, it's
an obvious lie to get her ahead in her
university career.
Could you give me the names of the notable genealogists involved in debunking her story?
Quote: EvenBobEverybody else is. There's not a shred of
evidence in her history that points to it and
she didn't even start mentioning it till she
was in her 30's. She has zero proof, it's
an obvious lie to get her ahead in her
university career.
From reading this I can tell you that no one can prove she doesn't have Indian blood.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/05/14/elizabeth-warrens-genealogical-challenge-113019
Quote: EvenBobEverybody else is. There's not a shred of
evidence in her history that points to it and
she didn't even start mentioning it till she
was in her 30's. She has zero proof, it's
an obvious lie to get her ahead in her
university career.
Totally inmaterial. The issue with her is how liberal she is in her beliefs. She actually believes she is better than you and I and we could never get anywhere in life like she did without the governments help. Perhaps the most out of touch politician out there, including Alan Grayson.
Quote: mickeycrimmCould you give me the names of the notable genealogists involved in debunking her story?
You didn't see this in the link I posted?
"Detailed genealogical investigation by a group of Cherokee genealogists[31] showed that Warren had no Cherokee or other Native American ancestry. The findings are set forth at the blog Thoughts From Polly’s Grandaughter[32] which based the research on over one hundred primary sources,[33] and detailed the findings:
The team and I have done an exhaustive search on the genealogy of Elizabeth Warren. We have researched ALL of her ancestral lines, but have only posted those she claimed were Indian here in the blog. None of her direct line ancestors are ever shown to be anything other than white, dating back to long before the Trail of Tears."
These are the people who did the research.
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html
Quote: BozTotally inmaterial. The issue with her is how liberal she is in her beliefs. She actually believes she is better than you and I and we could never get anywhere in life like she did without the governments help. Perhaps the most out of touch politician out there, including Alan Grayson.
Agreed, that this is what matters. (of course, I'm on the other side of the issue).
The Native American thing could be more interesting, but as a ham sandwich it is missing most of the ham so far. : ) (meaty importance, except for EB who loves it)
IQuote: EvenBobYou didn't see this in the link I posted?
"Detailed genealogical investigation by a group of Cherokee genealogists[31] showed that Warren had no Cherokee or other Native American ancestry. The findings are set forth at the blog Thoughts From Polly’s Grandaughter[32] which based the research on over one hundred primary sources,[33] and detailed the findings:
The team and I have done an exhaustive search on the genealogy of Elizabeth Warren. We have researched ALL of her ancestral lines, but have only posted those she claimed were Indian here in the blog. None of her direct line ancestors are ever shown to be anything other than white, dating back to long before the Trail of Tears."
These are the people who did the research.
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html
First, I just voted Republican so I'm not in this for political reasons. I'm a genealogist and I'm in it for pure genealogical reasons.
Thoughts on Polly's Granddaughter listed no evidence to back up the claim. You need genealogists who know how to correctly decipher all available information. If someone is listed as white in the 1900 census that does not mean they were full blood. At the time the reservations were disbanded in Oklahoma all the Indians were recorded on the Dawes Roll. But lots of them of mixed blood avoided being recorded because Indians were hated and despised by white people. They just would not claim any Indian blood. Those who could pass as white did so and hid their Indian heritage.
I found the oral history given by her extended family (1st and 2nd cousins) of what they were told by their parents and grandparents to be highly credible. There's just too much there by to many sources to discredit it.
There has not been one genealogist on the planet yet who has disproved she has Indian heritage. It can't be proven or disproven, unless....she submits to an Autosomal DNA test.
So, Mickey does that mean you do this inexpensively?Quote: mickeycrimm
Quote:I'm a genealogist and I'm in it for pure genealogical reasons.
I wonder at what age in Oklahoma a kid can sign off on the deeds to oil wells?
I like a lot of what Warren said. I am apolitical, unless I think I have a reason and them I am passionate about a person, not a party or platform. The old non-conformist type that I'm sure you are aware of.
I don't think she was intentionally dishonest about believing in her heritage. Some here just want to smear anyone who isn't rabid republican, as if party affiliation made any difference in public "servants". Another oxymoron.
Yes, yes they did. But still couldn't buy alcohol even into the mid 60's with dark skin.Quote:Those who could pass as white did so and hid their Indian heritage.
There has not been one genealogist on the planet yet who has disproved she has Indian heritage. It can't be proven or disproven, unless....she submits to an Autosomal DNA test.
Can I really get one for around 99 bucks +/-?
Quote: mickeycrimm
Thoughts on Polly's Granddaughter listed no evidence to back up the claim.
No evidence? They listed 150 sources they
checked, you call that no evidence? Anybody
can make up oral history and write it down.
I could easily convince you I'm a direct
descendent of George Washington by making
up oral history and writing it down. I have
ancestors going back to the Revolution and
the letters and bonefides to prove it.
Her whole story is shaky. It's like she got up
one day and decided to be a Native American
and hoped nobody would check.
Quote: petroglyphSo, Mickey does that mean you do this inexpensively?
Three things have revolutionized genealogy, the computer age, DNA testing and Ancestry.com. There are internet forums like rootsweb and genealogy.com where hundreds of thousands of researchers share and compare information. I pay $160 a year for Ancestry.com. Through it I have access to all the census records, birth, marriage and death records, immigration records, military records, wills, probate records, land transactions, church records, and family tree's going back to the 1600's in America. I do all my research on my laptop in my living room. Although I may take a trip to Salt Lake City to the Family History Library one of these days.
Petro, if you know the names of your first great grandparents, his first name and last name, and her first name and maiden name, then google the two names together to see what you come up with. My ancestors are all over the internet.
Quote: petroglyphCan I really get one for around 99 bucks +/-?
The last I seen Ancestry.com was advertising the Automsomal DNA test for $99. But it could have been a sale price for a limited period. I took both the Family Tree and the Ancestry Y-DNA test a few years back. It's a small database because it is for males only and pertains to only a man's own surname. The Y-Chromosome passes identically from father to son to grandson, etc., and only mutates about every 500 generations. But it did prove up genealogical paper trails with my distant Crim(m) relatives and that the Crim(m)s of the south are related to the Grim(m)s of Pennsylvania and Virginia.
The Ancestry Autosomal DNA test is for both men and women. It's really busted things wide open. It's an ongoing project and my database grows everyday. DNA testing is not the end all answer. It can't tell you that you and someone else have the exact same 5th great grandparents. It has to be backed up by the paper trail of genealogical records. Through Autosomal I have discovered thousands of distant cousins in this country with some of them being as far out as 7th cousins 3X removed.
Quote: EvenBobNo evidence? They listed 150 sources they
checked, you call that no evidence? Anybody
can make up oral history and write it down.
I could easily convince you I'm a direct
descendent of George Washington by making
up oral history and writing it down. I have
ancestors going back to the Revolution and
the letters and bonefides to prove it.
Her whole story is shaky. It's like she got up
one day and decided to be a Native American
and hoped nobody would check.
You can't say HER story is shaky. You have to say that the stories of her extended family are all shaky. We're talking about her ancestors that at the turn of the 20th century were said to be 1/4 Delaware and maybe some Cherokee mixed in. I said the stories of her extended family were credible. Because their grandparents knew the patriarachs/matriarchs that were said to have Indian blood. That a lot different than oral history that goes back to the 1700's.
She has no ancestor on the Dawes Roll. Her parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents, were all recorded as white in the census records. This is the evidence that those 150 sources list. But you have to take into account the history of the Oklahoma Indians and the fact that thousands of them with mixed blood hid that fact. The oral history is recent enough to be very credible.
I stand by what I said. Not one genealogist on the planet has conclusively proved she has no Indian blood.
Quote: mickeycrimmYou can't say HER story is shaky. You have to say that the stories of her extended family are all shaky. We're talking about her ancestors that at the turn of the 20th century were said to be 1/4 Delaware and maybe some Cherokee mixed in. I said the stories of her extended family were credible. Because their grandparents knew the patriarachs/matriarchs that were said to have Indian blood. That a lot different than oral history that goes back to the 1700's.
She has no ancestor on the Dawes Roll. Her parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents, were all recorded as white in the census records. This is the evidence that those 150 sources list. But you have to take into account the history of the Oklahoma Indians and the fact that thousands of them with mixed blood hid that fact. The oral history is recent enough to be very credible.
I stand by what I said. Not one genealogist on the planet has conclusively proved she has no Indian blood.
The Cherokee were also pretty well known slave holders.
If the story in the movie "Dances with wolves" was true, would the progeny of Costner and "Stands with fists" be Indian or not? If the kids went on to live in the tribe what then. I think once you were accepted into the tribe, you were a member and the elders weren't near the racists we have now. Many "white" and black people were accepted into tribes.
And their ancestry is from different directions of the sun, including up from the south.
I saw an interesting article recently about Kennewick man in the headlines again.
I am watching her with suspicion as we all should all political candidates, and I am concerned about her aligning with agenda 21, and in particular its stand on our right to bear arms. Also with all of the other dual citizen congress heading over for a visit to the old country, I just want congresspeople to swear their loyalty to just one country, [this one].
As she spends more time around dogs, she is more likely to get fleas, but so far personally I haven't excluded her from my consideration [which is rare] imo, just because of the claim she had red blood.
Quote: EvenBobI have ancestors going back to the Revolution and the letters and bonefides to prove it. .
With all humbleness please Bob, let me introduce to you some of my relatives:
1. James Depriest, 4th great grandfather
2. James Farr, 5th great grandfather
3. Nathan Child, 5th great grandfather
4. Peter Crim, 5th great grandfather
5. Larkin Chew Johnston, 5th great grand father
6. Littleton Johnston, 4th great grandfather
The one thing that all these guys have in common is they are my direct ancestors. The other thing they have in comman is they were all Revolutiony War Soldiers.
Don't believe it then google it.
