Miscellaneous Discussion Thread

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for people that don't believe in God -

well, they're going to have a whole lot of difficulty explaining or understanding the origin of the universe

how something came out of nothing

the "Big Bang Theory" doesn't do it for me - maybe it does for some - maybe geniuses fully understand it

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You'll have to explain where God came from. He always was, and always will be theory just doesn't do it for me.

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Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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No one has actually heard God. If you believe in the Bible and that God was responsible for convening his message to us through the people in Bible, then God asked us to give to honor him.
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Have you never heard from God? That sounds like a you problem. When was the last time you spoke to him?
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You'll have to define "heard from God"

One should be very careful of anyone claiming to hear from God himself, that's how cults get started. That could be the devil or aliens you're actually hearing from. Lots of people off their meds hear from God directly, oftentimes they are homeless. I'm sure that guys like David Koresh and Charles Mansion heard from God.

From my understanding of the Bible God doesn't talk to anyone but only through the scriptures and the spirit of Jesus and the church.
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You have an incorrect understanding of the Bible and God, then.

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Whatever you want to call it, you can't say it is permitted here without twisting yourself into a pretzel.
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You have a point.
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What has happened
1. I was originally asked whether I knew anyone affected by the Tennessee mass shooting, which I thought was gracious.

2. I responded that I had relatives (actually in-laws who my wife and I are very close to) who were Christian ministers who had lived in Nashville and they knew one of the victims. I said I was surprised at how sorrowful I was as I didn't know the victims directly.

3. At this point, Soopoo asked why people were mourning Christians, shouldn't we be happy that they had gone to a better place? If not then it must be because there actually is no better place after death.

4. I was affronted at this question, seemingly trivializing the grief that I and my community was feeling. Perhaps I should have immediately suspended Soopoo for religious discussion, but I was involved and I am very concerned about the growing tide of hate speech against Christians. So I responded and posted a response to Soopoo about why the Christians I know are mourning.

5. Soopoo then again asked "Why mourn these victims?" What is the Christian ideological basis for mourning the dead if they go to a better place?

6. I was appalled at Soopoo's comments in the aftermath of the Nashville tragedy, this challenge to me and my community about the legitimacy of our right to grieve our dead even as the victims are being buried. I waited to see whether any of the other moderators were going to intervene and disallow this conversation. I was also disappointed that few of the thread participants spoke out and disapproved.

7. Seeing no intervention, I responded to this provocation, describing the Christian beliefs. And I am not a practicing Christian. Indeed, I am part Jewish and prefer aspects of that religion- although, like Soopoo I am not a fan of any organized religions. But unlike Soopoo I live in a community of Christians, many of whom I care about, and we are traumatized and alarmed. And I'm certainly Jewish enough to know where hatred and resentment of religious groups can lead. And I will always stand against religious hatred. So, to show that Christian beliefs are not extreme. I mentioned the corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity (the apparent objection of the Nashville murderer to Christians.) I stated those beliefs in the same way that my Islamic friends describe their own beliefs - which by definition, IMO, can't be classified as hate speech. Furthermore, it is basic knowledge as taught in comparative religion courses in universities.

8. Soopoo responded, saying he was satisfied and effectively ending the exchange.

I agree that this conversation went into topics forbidden by Forum rules, just as the recent discussion of transgender pronouns did. I do think both were important conversations. As I remember it, we made no suspensions for the transgender pronoun discussion.

But I'd understand if other moderators decide to issue suspensions for Soopoo and myself. In my opinion, other forum members who made comments about religion during this discussion did so under the cover that a moderator was participating in the discussion, and therefore I don't think any action should be taken against them.

Quote: lilredrooster

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for people that don't believe in God -

well, they're going to have a whole lot of difficulty explaining or understanding the origin of the universe

how something came out of nothing

the "Big Bang Theory" doesn't do it for me - maybe it does for some - maybe geniuses fully understand it

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I doubt if an ant is capable of understanding 99.99 percent of the knowable Universe. We know a lot more about it, but that doesn’t mean we have the capability or tools to understand everything. So assuming the last bits are unexplainable without a super entity doesn’t necessary follow.

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I'm not lobbying for you getting suspended

I would like for you to acknowledge that pointing at one religion - Islam - as being a negative force was wrong

I don't think you will do that

which means that you don't believe that what you stated was reprehensible - that's unfortunate

but like they say - it is what it is - you will go your way and I will go mine - a very, very different way

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Quote: billryan

Whatever you want to call it, you can't say it is permitted here without twisting yourself into a pretzel.
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You have a point.
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What has happened
1. I was originally asked whether I knew anyone affected by the Tennessee mass shooting, which I thought was gracious.

2. I responded that I had relatives (actually in-laws who my wife and I are very close to) who were Christian ministers who had lived in Nashville and they knew one of the victims. I said I was surprised at how sorrowful I was as I didn't know the victims directly.

3. At this point, Soopoo asked why people were mourning Christians, shouldn't we be happy that they had gone to a better place? If not then it must be because there actually is no better place after death.

4. I was affronted at this question, seemingly trivializing the grief that I and my community was feeling. Perhaps I should have immediately suspended Soopoo for religious discussion, but I was involved and I am very concerned about the growing tide of hate speech against Christians. So I responded and posted a response to Soopoo about why the Christians I know are mourning.

5. Soopoo then again asked "Why mourn these victims?" What is the Christian ideological basis for mourning the dead if they go to a better place?

6. I was appalled at Soopoo's comments in the aftermath of the Nashville tragedy, this challenge to me and my community about the legitimacy of our right to grieve our dead even as the victims are being buried. I waited to see whether any of the other moderators were going to intervene and disallow this conversation. I was also disappointed that few of the thread participants spoke out and disapproved.

7. Seeing no intervention, I responded to this provocation, describing the Christian beliefs. And I am not a practicing Christian. Indeed, I am part Jewish and prefer aspects of that religion- although, like Soopoo I am not a fan of any organized religions. But unlike Soopoo I live in a community of Christians, many of whom I care about, and we are traumatized and alarmed. And I'm certainly Jewish enough to know where hatred and resentment of religious groups can lead. And I will always stand against religious hatred. So, to show that Christian beliefs are not extreme. I mentioned the corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity (the apparent objection of the Nashville murderer to Christians.) I stated those beliefs in the same way that my Islamic friends describe their own beliefs - which by definition, IMO, can't be classified as hate speech. Furthermore, it is basic knowledge as taught in comparative religion courses in universities.

8. Soopoo responded, saying he was satisfied and effectively ending the exchange.

I agree that this conversation went into topics forbidden by Forum rules, just as the recent discussion of transgender pronouns did. I do think both were important conversations. As I remember it, we made no suspensions for the transgender pronoun discussion.

But I'd understand if other moderators decide to issue suspensions for Soopoo and myself. In my opinion, other forum members who made comments about religion during this discussion did so under the cover that a moderator was participating in the discussion, and therefore I don't think any action should be taken against them.
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“So, to show that Christian beliefs are not extreme. I mentioned the corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity (the apparent objection of the Nashville murderer to Christians.) I stated those beliefs in the same way that my Islamic friends describe their own beliefs - which by definition, IMO, can't be classified as hate speech. Furthermore, it is basic knowledge as taught in comparative religion courses in universities.”

You did no such thing. You described Muslims as being selectively joyous at the martyrdom that comes from dying while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers, and Islam as worthy of hostility and religion-phobic questions and it even being righteous to direct those invectives towards Islam. Your post of April 7th, 2023 at 6:42:05 PM mentioned nothing about corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity.

Please show us where in your post of April 7th, 2023 at 6:42:05 PM where you mentioned the corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity.

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I don't know how to permalink, but I refer you to Gordon's post on this thread originally posted April 7th, 2023 at 6:42:05 PM with the post quoted verbatim in full several times on this thread since then, most recently 4 posts above this response.
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Just to the right of the post's timestamp is the word "permalink". The address can be fetched by:

• Clicking permalink, then copying the link address from the browser address bar
• Right-clicking or long-clicking permalink and selecting "copy link address"

I have seen it in-context now.

Quote: gordonm888

I agree that this conversation went into topics forbidden by Forum rules, just as the recent discussion of transgender pronouns did. I do think both were important conversations. As I remember it, we made no suspensions for the transgender pronoun discussion.

But I'd understand if other moderators decide to issue suspensions for Soopoo and myself. In my opinion, other forum members who made comments about religion during this discussion did so under the cover that a moderator was participating in the discussion, and therefore I don't think any action should be taken against them.
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I'm hoping the conversation will move to other topics.
I understand the discussion was under 'protection'.

I used to wonder if a computer could amass enough conditional statements (if,then), that it might start acting more like human intelligence. I didn’t know if that was possible, but with new AI, I’m starting to wonder.

But interestingly enough, the new AI rather than explaining intelligence in some way, now seems a bit like a “magic box” to me to some degree rather than making things completely clear. Irony?

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Whatever you want to call it, you can't say it is permitted here without twisting yourself into a pretzel.
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You have a point.
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What has happened
1. I was originally asked whether I knew anyone affected by the Tennessee mass shooting, which I thought was gracious.

2. I responded that I had relatives (actually in-laws who my wife and I are very close to) who were Christian ministers who had lived in Nashville and they knew one of the victims. I said I was surprised at how sorrowful I was as I didn't know the victims directly.

3. At this point, Soopoo asked why people were mourning Christians, shouldn't we be happy that they had gone to a better place? If not then it must be because there actually is no better place after death.

4. I was affronted at this question, seemingly trivializing the grief that I and my community was feeling. Perhaps I should have immediately suspended Soopoo for religious discussion, but I was involved and I am very concerned about the growing tide of hate speech against Christians. So I responded and posted a response to Soopoo about why the Christians I know are mourning.

5. Soopoo then again asked "Why mourn these victims?" What is the Christian ideological basis for mourning the dead if they go to a better place?

6. I was appalled at Soopoo's comments in the aftermath of the Nashville tragedy, this challenge to me and my community about the legitimacy of our right to grieve our dead even as the victims are being buried. I waited to see whether any of the other moderators were going to intervene and disallow this conversation. I was also disappointed that few of the thread participants spoke out and disapproved.

7. Seeing no intervention, I responded to this provocation, describing the Christian beliefs. And I am not a practicing Christian. Indeed, I am part Jewish and prefer aspects of that religion- although, like Soopoo I am not a fan of any organized religions. But unlike Soopoo I live in a community of Christians, many of whom I care about, and we are traumatized and alarmed. And I'm certainly Jewish enough to know where hatred and resentment of religious groups can lead. And I will always stand against religious hatred. So, to show that Christian beliefs are not extreme. I mentioned the corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity (the apparent objection of the Nashville murderer to Christians.) I stated those beliefs in the same way that my Islamic friends describe their own beliefs - which by definition, IMO, can't be classified as hate speech. Furthermore, it is basic knowledge as taught in comparative religion courses in universities.

8. Soopoo responded, saying he was satisfied and effectively ending the exchange.

I agree that this conversation went into topics forbidden by Forum rules, just as the recent discussion of transgender pronouns did. I do think both were important conversations. As I remember it, we made no suspensions for the transgender pronoun discussion.

But I'd understand if other moderators decide to issue suspensions for Soopoo and myself. In my opinion, other forum members who made comments about religion during this discussion did so under the cover that a moderator was participating in the discussion, and therefore I don't think any action should be taken against them.
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Wow. You mischaracterized my posts! But I’m not going to get into it line by line. I feel terrible about the victims of these type of mass shootings. On many levels.

Gordon, I think to make the whole issue go away, just give yourself a 3 day suspension. I think I’ve had 3 or 4 of them over the last decade plus. It’s really no big deal. And politely ask that no more religion related posts be made here.

Back to miscellaneous.

I’m about to have to fly back home. Go through silly passport/customs/security systems that are more show than anything. I surprisingly still had to fill out some COVID form so I can be contact traced if necessary.
The thing I despise the most of all the STUPID rules is the ‘need’ to put my phone in airplane mode. If it actually mattered even one iota then all phones should be collected before even making it onto a plane.

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I'm hoping the conversation will move to other topics.
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What are your thoughts on sliced bread?
Let me tell you, there’s something different about slicing your own homemade bread, wondering what it was like in a time before bread was sliced..

Also, the WNBA draft just got over.

Those are miscellaneous topics.

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I'm hoping the conversation will move to other topics.
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What are your thoughts on sliced bread?

Also, the WNBA draft just got over.

Those are miscellaneous topics.
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I personally love pre-sliced bread. I also love ballpoint pens, but I've found mostly that the quality of the ink determines whether I like the BP pen or not. I have BP pens I got at conventions and other events that I've kept for decades and still us because I keep buying good quality refills for the inks.

Though the draft was Monday?

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I'm hoping the conversation will move to other topics.
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What are your thoughts on sliced bread?

Also, the WNBA draft just got over.

Those are miscellaneous topics.
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I personally love pre-sliced bread. I also love ballpoint pens, but I've found mostly that the quality of the ink determines whether I like the BP pen or not. I have BP pens I got at conventions and other events that I've kept for decades and still us because I keep buying good quality refills for the inks.

Though the draft was Monday?
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Shows what I know, just thought I’d seen it on the TV monitor.

I’ve never really given much thought to pens.

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Whatever you want to call it, you can't say it is permitted here without twisting yourself into a pretzel.
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You have a point.
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What has happened
1. I was originally asked whether I knew anyone affected by the Tennessee mass shooting, which I thought was gracious.

2. I responded that I had relatives (actually in-laws who my wife and I are very close to) who were Christian ministers who had lived in Nashville and they knew one of the victims. I said I was surprised at how sorrowful I was as I didn't know the victims directly.

3. At this point, Soopoo asked why people were mourning Christians, shouldn't we be happy that they had gone to a better place? If not then it must be because there actually is no better place after death.

4. I was affronted at this question, seemingly trivializing the grief that I and my community was feeling. Perhaps I should have immediately suspended Soopoo for religious discussion, but I was involved and I am very concerned about the growing tide of hate speech against Christians. So I responded and posted a response to Soopoo about why the Christians I know are mourning.

5. Soopoo then again asked "Why mourn these victims?" What is the Christian ideological basis for mourning the dead if they go to a better place?

6. I was appalled at Soopoo's comments in the aftermath of the Nashville tragedy, this challenge to me and my community about the legitimacy of our right to grieve our dead even as the victims are being buried. I waited to see whether any of the other moderators were going to intervene and disallow this conversation. I was also disappointed that few of the thread participants spoke out and disapproved.

7. Seeing no intervention, I responded to this provocation, describing the Christian beliefs. And I am not a practicing Christian. Indeed, I am part Jewish and prefer aspects of that religion- although, like Soopoo I am not a fan of any organized religions. But unlike Soopoo I live in a community of Christians, many of whom I care about, and we are traumatized and alarmed. And I'm certainly Jewish enough to know where hatred and resentment of religious groups can lead. And I will always stand against religious hatred. So, to show that Christian beliefs are not extreme. I mentioned the corresponding tenets of the Islamic faith about mourning the dead and about gender fluidity (the apparent objection of the Nashville murderer to Christians.) I stated those beliefs in the same way that my Islamic friends describe their own beliefs - which by definition, IMO, can't be classified as hate speech. Furthermore, it is basic knowledge as taught in comparative religion courses in universities.

8. Soopoo responded, saying he was satisfied and effectively ending the exchange.

I agree that this conversation went into topics forbidden by Forum rules, just as the recent discussion of transgender pronouns did. I do think both were important conversations. As I remember it, we made no suspensions for the transgender pronoun discussion.

But I'd understand if other moderators decide to issue suspensions for Soopoo and myself. In my opinion, other forum members who made comments about religion during this discussion did so under the cover that a moderator was participating in the discussion, and therefore I don't think any action should be taken against them.
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Wow. You mischaracterized my posts! But I’m not going to get into it line by line. I feel terrible about the victims of these type of mass shootings. On many levels.

Gordon, I think to make the whole issue go away, just give yourself a 3 day suspension. I think I’ve had 3 or 4 of them over the last decade plus. It’s really no big deal. And politely ask that no more religion related posts be made here.

Back to miscellaneous.

I’m about to have to fly back home. Go through silly passport/customs/security systems that are more show than anything. I surprisingly still had to fill out some COVID form so I can be contact traced if necessary.
The thing I despise the most of all the STUPID rules is the ‘need’ to put my phone in airplane mode. If it actually mattered even one iota then all phones should be collected before even making it onto a plane.
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This recent CNN article cites a risk of ground inference, but in-flight is okay.

Here’s the real reason to turn on airplane mode when you fly

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That's the ticket. The Creator of the Universe is the one failing here..

What has she ever succeeded at?

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That's the ticket. The Creator of the Universe is the one failing here..

What has she ever succeeded at?
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Creation of the Universe, for one. I'd call that a success.

I will self-suspend myself for 7 days starting immediately. This is entirely my decision, and not at the suggestion of other moderators.

I remind everyone that while members are suspended they are unable to defend themselves from criticism, therefore it is Forum policy that making disparaging comments about suspended members is itself a suspendable offense.

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I'm hoping the conversation will move to other topics.
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What are your thoughts on sliced bread?
Let me tell you, there’s something different about slicing your own homemade bread, wondering what it was like in a time before bread was sliced..

Also, the WNBA draft just got over.

Those are miscellaneous topics.
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I don't usually care to bake my own, and I certainly don't care to knead my own by hand. Sometimes I'll get the frozen dough - a premium price, but worthwhile to only be encumbered by the fun parts of the project.
I've been getting a variety of wide-pan presliced loaves.
The 5 year old has newly discovered the joys of a well crafted croque monsieur, and greatly enjoys spreading the mustard, arranging the cheese, and precisely layering the ham. (Larousse suggests that bechamel is wrong, and I agree. That's fancying it up. Hopefully "sandwiches do not need nutmeg!" doesn't start a flame war.)

In a pinch, it can go into a contact clamshell grill, but I prefer the uncrushed texture of pan frying.

I've heard rumors of modern sandwich loaves (rectangular prism) presliced lengthwise, but have not encountered such... and I have travelled around a bit looking.

Presliced bread usually seems to indicate a loftier, softer crumb consistency. These breads would be crushed by the typical home cook trying to slice them.

A slightly thicker than usual slice of a homemade whole wheat bread, toasted under a broiler (one side only!), well buttered and drizzled with honey is an exquisite simple delight.

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Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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No one has actually heard God. If you believe in the Bible and that God was responsible for convening his message to us through the people in Bible, then God asked us to give to honor him.
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Have you never heard from God? That sounds like a you problem. When was the last time you spoke to him?
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You'll have to define "heard from God"

One should be very careful of anyone claiming to hear from God himself, that's how cults get started. That could be the devil or aliens you're actually hearing from. Lots of people off their meds hear from God directly, oftentimes they are homeless. I'm sure that guys like David Koresh and Charles Mansion heard from God.

From my understanding of the Bible God doesn't talk to anyone but only through the scriptures and the spirit of Jesus and the church.
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You have an incorrect understanding of the Bible and God, then.
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Enlighten me, I know God was supposedly talking to and perhaps even showing himself to people, but I believe that stopped somewhere at the beginning of the new testament.

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Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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No one has actually heard God. If you believe in the Bible and that God was responsible for convening his message to us through the people in Bible, then God asked us to give to honor him.
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Have you never heard from God? That sounds like a you problem. When was the last time you spoke to him?
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You'll have to define "heard from God"

One should be very careful of anyone claiming to hear from God himself, that's how cults get started. That could be the devil or aliens you're actually hearing from. Lots of people off their meds hear from God directly, oftentimes they are homeless. I'm sure that guys like David Koresh and Charles Mansion heard from God.

From my understanding of the Bible God doesn't talk to anyone but only through the scriptures and the spirit of Jesus and the church.
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You have an incorrect understanding of the Bible and God, then.
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Enlighten me, I know God was supposedly talking to and perhaps even showing himself to people, but I believe that stopped somewhere at the beginning of the new testament.
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Are you some authority appointed under God? You're not guiding or helping me understand God's wisdom, you seem very cross in your responses. Be careful not to drive people further from Christ. Arguing with others, especially about such things IS sinful.

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Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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No one has actually heard God. If you believe in the Bible and that God was responsible for convening his message to us through the people in Bible, then God asked us to give to honor him.
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Have you never heard from God? That sounds like a you problem. When was the last time you spoke to him?
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You'll have to define "heard from God"

One should be very careful of anyone claiming to hear from God himself, that's how cults get started. That could be the devil or aliens you're actually hearing from. Lots of people off their meds hear from God directly, oftentimes they are homeless. I'm sure that guys like David Koresh and Charles Mansion heard from God.

From my understanding of the Bible God doesn't talk to anyone but only through the scriptures and the spirit of Jesus and the church.
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You have an incorrect understanding of the Bible and God, then.
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Enlighten me, I know God was supposedly talking to and perhaps even showing himself to people, but I believe that stopped somewhere at the beginning of the new testament.
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Are you some authority appointed under God? You're not guiding or helping me understand God's wisdom, you seem very cross in your responses. Be careful not to drive people further from Christ. Arguing with others, especially about such things IS sinful.
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Despite my religious obligation to you, i.e. to instruct the ignorant, moderators have asked no more religion on this thread. As such, I refer you to google for you to find the answers you seek.

I also do not take religious counsel from non-believers or those who use scripture to defend their false allegations.

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Despite my religious obligation to you, i.e. to instruct the ignorant, moderators have asked no more religion on this thread.
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Calling AxelWolf ignorant constitutes a personal insult.
3 days.

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Despite my religious obligation to you, i.e. to instruct the ignorant, moderators have asked no more religion on this thread.
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Calling AxelWolf ignorant constitutes a personal insult.
3 days.
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Christ said to feed the hungry, shelter the poor and teach the ignorant. It's from the bible and is part of the Great Commission to spread the word. I don't think he meant it as an insult.

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Christ said to feed the hungry, shelter the poor and teach the ignorant. It's from the bible and is part of the Great Commission to spread the word. I don't think he meant it as an insult.
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Warning -- Religious statement.

I have been on vacation the last couple days, which explains why I haven't paid attention to this thread.

Starting now, I will monitor this thread for statements of a religious or political nature.

Today is a holiday, but I don't go to church so I can't remember what it was, but I've got a chocolate Easter bunny to munch on.

I thought I saw Elon in this music video from 1983, but I could be wrong.
Taco - Puttin' On The Ritz (Official Video) - YouTube

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I thought I saw Elon in this music video

Why did his mother name him after a small university in North Carolina?

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Today is a holiday, but I don't go to church so I can't remember what it was, but I've got a chocolate Easter bunny to munch on.

I thought I saw Elon in this music video from 1983, but I could be wrong.
Taco - Puttin' On The Ritz (Official Video) - YouTube

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Glad to have you back Chump I missed you, its as if you have risen from the grave after three days.

I had a profitable night playing mostly the dark side at Cosmopolitan. Table was incredibly “cold”. Will try again tonight

With every new shooter, including myself, I always bet the don’t. If he makes a point then I’ll switch to pass.

I realize it makes no difference in the long run but I feel like I make money on ice cold tables and also on monster rolls

I tried waiting for the shooter to make two points before switching from DP with 3X odds to PL with 3X odds on WinCraps early on and I kept winning and winning. But now I think the game knows me and I keep losing. So switching to 1 point instead of 2 points would make it better? I don't know. On Bubble Craps, it's always opposite day, so maybe I should get to a table and bet the DC while others shoot. I've had my best table day playing the DC, but that was so long ago, and it wasn't for much. But I got some serious side eye from a craps dealer for winning so much, or maybe it was because I was ratholing chips in a covered hip cup I was wearing.

FYI

Quote:

The FBI is warning consumers about "juice jacking," where bad actors use public chargers to infect phones and devices with malware.

The law enforcement agency says consumers should avoid using public chargers at malls and airports, and stick to their own USB cables and charging plugs.

My computer wouldn't start this afternoon. I thought my motherboard or the power supply was fried or something. The simple thing to do is to unplug the computer and press the power button for 15-20 seconds to discharge it, then plug it back in then hit the power button. The first time it didn't work, but the second time it did. Whew!

I walked by some full triple-zero roulette tables today

7.7% house edge is horrendous and essentially unbeatable. It’s hard to believe that people actually play

I’ve also noticed more Crapless tables, presumably the casinos’ attempt to lure players into the much higher vig game

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I had a profitable night playing mostly the dark side at Cosmopolitan. Table was incredibly “cold”. Will try again tonight

With every new shooter, including myself, I always bet the don’t. If he makes a point then I’ll switch to pass.

I realize it makes no difference in the long run but I feel like I make money on ice cold tables and also on monster rolls
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I personally believe that is a good strategy. What do you do with a truly "choppy" table?

tuttigym

I once went into boulder station and saw that the nickel keno 9 spot was at $64,000. (I don’t know if the casino legally dumped another discontinued machine jackpot into it, but that amount didn’t make sense to me. I’m pretty sure a week before it wasn’t near that high). So, I thought, what the hell, I will play it even if the chance is remote to nothing I will hit it. I played from 7pm to next morning around 9am and gave up finally, really too tired.

But I left with more money than I started with after playing all that time. 20 cent bets the whole time.

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I once went into boulder station and saw that the nickel keno 9 spot was at $64,000. (I don’t know if the casino legally dumped another discontinued machine jackpot into it, but that amount didn’t make sense to me. I’m pretty sure a week before it wasn’t near that high). So, I thought, what the hell, I will play it even if the chance is remote to nothing I will hit it. I played from 7pm to next morning around 9am and gave up finally, really too tired.

But I left with more money than I started with after playing all that time. 20 cent bets the whole time.
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The Gold Strike in Jean, NV had the nickel jackpot over $100k. I don't remember hearing that it hit before they closed so I have no idea what happened to that jackpot money. They closed during Covid so I doubt they ever applied it to another jackpot.

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I once went into boulder station and saw that the nickel keno 9 spot was at $64,000. (I don’t know if the casino legally dumped another discontinued machine jackpot into it, but that amount didn’t make sense to me. I’m pretty sure a week before it wasn’t near that high). So, I thought, what the hell, I will play it even if the chance is remote to nothing I will hit it. I played from 7pm to next morning around 9am and gave up finally, really too tired.

But I left with more money than I started with after playing all that time. 20 cent bets the whole time.
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The Gold Strike in Jean, NV had the nickel jackpot over $100k. I don't remember hearing that it hit before they closed so I have no idea what happened to that jackpot money. They closed during Covid so I doubt they ever applied it to another jackpot.
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Not sure of the highest nickel keno jackpot I've seen, but this was a 9 spot. The 10 was something around 40k

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I had a profitable night playing mostly the dark side at Cosmopolitan. Table was incredibly “cold”. Will try again tonight

With every new shooter, including myself, I always bet the don’t. If he makes a point then I’ll switch to pass.

I realize it makes no difference in the long run but I feel like I make money on ice cold tables and also on monster rolls
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I personally believe that is a good strategy. What do you do with a truly "choppy" table?

tuttigym
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It’s a playing style. No such thing as strategy in craps…think of betting on pass as heads and DP as tails

“Choppy” table is the most common scenario. You don’t win or lose much no matter which side you play

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I had a profitable night playing mostly the dark side at Cosmopolitan. Table was incredibly “cold”. Will try again tonight

With every new shooter, including myself, I always bet the don’t. If he makes a point then I’ll switch to pass.

I realize it makes no difference in the long run but I feel like I make money on ice cold tables and also on monster rolls
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I personally believe that is a good strategy. What do you do with a truly "choppy" table?

tuttigym
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It’s a playing style. No such thing as strategy in craps…think of betting on pass as heads and DP as tails

“Choppy” table is the most common scenario. You don’t win or lose much no matter which side you play
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Ahh semantics i.e., strategy/system vs method/style, so now you are the thesaurus authority. Who knew??

I do, however, agree with your second sentence.

tuttigym

It’s not a fine point of semantics

Strategy implies you can beat the game…and you can’t beat a game that’s 100% chance with a built-in house edge

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I once went into boulder station and saw that the nickel keno 9 spot was at $64,000. (I don’t know if the casino legally dumped another discontinued machine jackpot into it, but that amount didn’t make sense to me. I’m pretty sure a week before it wasn’t near that high). So, I thought, what the hell, I will play it even if the chance is remote to nothing I will hit it. I played from 7pm to next morning around 9am and gave up finally, really too tired.

But I left with more money than I started with after playing all that time. 20 cent bets the whole time.
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The Gold Strike in Jean, NV had the nickel jackpot over $100k. I don't remember hearing that it hit before they closed so I have no idea what happened to that jackpot money. They closed during Covid so I doubt they ever applied it to another jackpot.
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It’s not a fine point of semantics

Strategy implies you can beat the game…and you can’t beat a game that’s 100% chance with a built-in house edge
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I know that for some it is difficult to envision being a winner at gambling, but every day and everywhere there are gambling venues, players WIN with various strategies, methods, systems, and/or play not every time mind you, but players do WIN. Heck, I bet that has actually happened to you.

Your response implies one can EVER win. (100% chance of losing) Your post is 100% wrong.

tuttigym

Tip of the day. You can deduct your private jet trip to a vacation spot if you open a small art gallery there. Financial managers suggest always visiting the place of business first to build a proper case for the deduction of your 12 seater jet, invited guests, cocktail waitress/stewardess…etc.,

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I know that for some it is difficult to envision being a winner at gambling, but every day and everywhere there are gambling venues, players WIN with various strategies, methods, systems, and/or play not every time mind you, but players do WIN. Heck, I bet that has actually happened to you.

Your response implies one can EVER win. (100% chance of losing) Your post is 100% wrong.

tuttigym
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players can win at a negative expectancy game - such as craps - but only in the short run

maybe they will win 2 or 3 sessions in a row

the longer they play the more likely their experience will conform to the true percentages

all of this can be completely explained and understood by mathematics

for example: bet pass or don't pass at craps 100 times during 3 sessions - there is maybe a 35% chance of being a net winner (just an estimate - but Don or Mike could give an exact % )

but make 3,000 bets on pass or don't pass over the course of a few years and the chance that you could be a net winner slips down to maybe one half of one percent - again - just a raw estimate

make 20,000 such bets over the course of your lifetime - now a person has only a miniscule chance of being a net winner

all of this is assuming that the bet size is the same - a craps player could lose $25,000 in 3 years and then come back and make and win one $30,000 bet making him a net winner - but that doesn't change the facts of the game - if he won that last bet it was due to luck, not strategy

many gamblers who claim to be net winners long term while playing with a disadvantage merely conveniently remember only the good times - and most of the bad times are forgotten - their desire to be heroes on gambling forums is so very strong


want to be a net winner long term________?___________play only those games were a legit advantage can be realized by the player - and become an expert at that


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Tip of the day. You can deduct your private jet trip to a vacation spot if you open a small art gallery there. Financial managers suggest always visiting the place of business first to build a proper case for the deduction of your 12 seater jet, invited guests, cocktail waitress/stewardess…etc.,
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Back in my bar days, I never took a vacation. I took many fact-finding excursions designed to find the best local nightlife I could bring back and incorporate into my business and enrich my customer experience. It was hard work but not the stuff I'd delegate to my underlings.

Did you ever have a moment where you just up and think about moving to Puerto Rico Bill?

I must be doing something right because I'm not down after 20,000 rolls of the dice. But I expected much better than a handful of larger winning sessions after 6 dozen trips. They are what keep me ahead, the bigger wins. I've tried many different systems/strategies, so praising one system/strategy may not be fair. But, opens envelope, the winner strategy so far includes PL & 2 Come Bets with double odds.

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I must be doing something right because I'm not down after 20,000 rolls of the dice.______the winners strategy so far includes_________

your claim may very well be true - not saying it's not - but if it is true it's not because you're doing something right - it's due to extreme luck

generally - claims of winning on gambling boards should not be believed

too many gamblers are less than truthful - makes sense doesn't it - gambling very often is a pretty scuzzy activity - I say that even though it includes me

dreaming of Gambling Board Fame - they want to be Gambling Board Heroes

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Well, I haven't won enough to get season tickets into the casino's showroom of top musical acts.

But I did just get 3 months of Amazon Music Unlimited for free. I should see what I can do with that. #JukeboxHero

For the first time ever, I was warned to keep the dice “below eye level”. I was arcing that high

That's South Point casino. If they let giraffes gamble you can really throw a high arc.

If the stat is correct that the average bank robber only nets 10k, crime really doesn't pay very well. Especially, if you're living out of a hotel room and have any other costly habits like hookers and blow. How you going to live the high life on that?