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I think that anyone who would make the assertion that casinos do NOT cheat is either foolish, naive, delusional, or some combination of all three. So given that they DO cheat, the question is, how often, and under what circumstances?

First of all, let's get rid of, once and for all, the hidebound notion that some kind of horrible, drastic punishment awaits a casino that is discovered to be cheating. NO CASINO IN THE HISTORY OF NEVADA has EVER been prosecuted, sanctioned, shut down, shut up, or subjected to ANY civil or criminal penalties for cheating. The Nevada Gaming Control Board is a casino lapdog, a "regulatory" agency that is like a fox in charge of the chicken coop. They regularly receive hundreds of reports of casino cheating from players, and almost never even act on them. Therefore, one of two things is true (you guess which):

1. The casinos never cheat.
2. The casinos cheat to some degree, but are never caught/punished for it.

(In the recent case of the Venetian rigging contest drawings so that a high-roller would win, the V was indeed slapped with a miniscule fine. However, they appealed that fine, and never paid it.)

So given that a casino CAN cheat, the question is, WILL it? Cheating will undoubtedly increase the casinos' bottom line, and there are no effective penalties (and in the vast majority of cases, it is undetectable), so the only thing preventing casino cheating is the consciences of the casino bosses--who all KNOW cheating is WRONG (gag, ack, barf).

Thanks for the kind words Wizard. I still protest that I did not make any accusation regarding specific cheating by casinos. I simply offered my opinion that since we know cheating occurs in almost every human endeavor, there is almost certainly cheating by casinos. I do not feel the need to provide evidence to support my opinion. Take it or leave it.

The Fire Bet thread is now several week old. Basically the question was (if the gambler chose to hedge the Fire Bet), what would be the appropriate amount to lay on the 5th and 6th points. We, the posters who participated in that thread, determined the three amounts for the 5th point, ignoring the 6th number. We recognized that the three formulas should be modified for the 6th number but failed to calculate those amounts.

Quote: mkl654321

I think that anyone who would make the assertion that casinos do NOT cheat is either foolish, naive, delusional, or some combination of all three. So given that they DO cheat, the question is, how often, and under what circumstances?

First of all, let's get rid of, once and for all, the hidebound notion that some kind of horrible, drastic punishment awaits a casino that is discovered to be cheating. NO CASINO IN THE HISTORY OF NEVADA has EVER been prosecuted, sanctioned, shut down, shut up, or subjected to ANY civil or criminal penalties for cheating. The Nevada Gaming Control Board is a casino lapdog, a "regulatory" agency that is like a fox in charge of the chicken coop. They regularly receive hundreds of reports of casino cheating from players, and almost never even act on them. Therefore, one of two things is true (you guess which):

1. The casinos never cheat.
2. The casinos cheat to some degree, but are never caught/punished for it.

(In the recent case of the Venetian rigging contest drawings so that a high-roller would win, the V was indeed slapped with a miniscule fine. However, they appealed that fine, and never paid it.)

So given that a casino CAN cheat, the question is, WILL it? Cheating will undoubtedly increase the casinos' bottom line, and there are no effective penalties (and in the vast majority of cases, it is undetectable), so the only thing preventing casino cheating is the consciences of the casino bosses--who all KNOW cheating is WRONG (gag, ack, barf).

You've stated quite eloquently what I attempted to say in only a few words. Now watch out!

Quote: Nareed

I sit corrected (I don't often stand by the keyboard, you see...)

Little known fact: ... it gets pretty exhausting with these dumb, scared and emotionless f***ing relatives and farm hands around me every day, I wish I could get away from them ... instead I just take it out on posters here with this second persona that is so unlike my actual true self -- Kansas farm girl in angst-ridden hell ...

The year is 1939. I live in Kansas. Holy crap.

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

Some of us don't gamble at all. Some work for the gaming industry. Some are advantage players. Some do a little of all of these.

--Dorothy

You've made some serious accusations here without offering a shred of proof.

Quote: Headlock

You've made some serious accusations here without offering a shred of proof.

Hmmm... one could argue humor or sarcasm ... I'll view it as a weak and feeble attempt at counter attack ...

A) Wizard works for the gaming industry.

B) Wizard is an advantage player.

C) I never gamble so I'll stand in on that one.

A universally quantified statement is "For every X, Y" as in "Everyone knows casinos cheat." You made a universally quantified statement. That must be proven over every X, and is tough to prove, as you've no doubt experienced. For example, "every horse has four legs" requires examining every horse.

An existentially quantified statement is "There are X" as in "There are people here who are advantage players." To prove an existential, one merely has to provide a single example, as I've done above. For example, "there is a horse with 3 legs" requires displaying a single horse with 3 legs.

I don't know why you would counter attack without actually planning it out and doing your research to get your one sentence to be logically accurate; it just comes off so weak. I'm sorry for you now.

--Dorothy

Quote: Headlock

I have been vilified for hedging a Fire Bet, accused of being racist when I expressed my opinion that private business has a right to refuse service to anyone, and most recently accused of being stupid for offering my opinion that casinos most likely cheat.

Unless I'm mistaken, I was the first to call what you were proposing "Hedging". However, I was not attempting to vilify you for it. On the contrary, if anything, I wanted to engage the conversation. I like to learn too.

I believe, later on in that thread, I came around to thinking that you might be on to something. But I also lost interest in the thread because the math was getting too confusing for my little brain.

Quote: Headlock

I have become increasingly dismayed by the volume of non-gambling posts by some of the frequent posters, and their seemingly uncontrollable desire to offer their expert opinion on every subject.

Since I am the number one poster of record, (The Wizard and JB might have more posts, but they are excluded from the top poster list), I have to be concerned that you're talking about me. If so, I'd like to know what you're referring to.

Yeah, I tend to live on chat boards. My day job is as an IT manager at a business that doesn't need an IT manager - and they know it, but keep me anyway. As a result I have a lot of free time. I spend it on various chat boards.

So if it's me, please tell me.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

My day job is as an IT manager at a business that doesn't need an IT manager - and they know it

We have cookies over here ...

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

Some do a little of all of these.

--Dorothy

How do you prove this, you pompous ass?

I still cannot find a post by me or anyone else stating "everyone knows casinos cheat"

Did your caretakers forget to give you your meds today? You are really a dick...or something.

My advice is to grow a thick skin. Whether it be this forum or another forum, you are, by default, opening yourself up to attack of any kind every time you post something, even in response to somebody else's comments. If you're going to let anybody's comments hurt your feelings or make you feel bad, then you probably should not be online in the first place. The online forums are publicly available to anybody, and so anything can, and probably will, be said. The main thing is to be able to let things slide, take things for what they are, defend your comments and/or actions, and be prepared to have an open mind to what others say.

I participate in many forums, and have been called many names over the years. If I really let any of that bother me, I would have committed suicide years ago. Instead, I just spend my money in Las Vegas.....