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October 27th, 2023 at 2:49:04 PM permalink

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you saying this does not constitute 𝙚𝙫𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚
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So what, I have the evidence in my hand and that's all I care about. There's absolutely no way to prove it to you, you've shown that over and over and over. Anything I come up with you will shoot down. I could take you to the casino 25 times in a row and you would still not believe it. This is a guarantee. You would just say it's luck.
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There's a way to show enough convincing evidence to shut everyone up and declare victory. I would have to shut my mouth if you could achieve an 80% hit-rate over 50 trials of your best guess on a 50/50 proposition.

That would shut most people up for good. Whenever a naysayer jumps in you have proof you did what you said you could.

Obviously that's mathematically possible and that's why people do the math and not base their beliefs on results alone.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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October 27th, 2023 at 2:56:03 PM permalink

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There's a way to show enough convincing evidence to shut everyone up and declare victory. I would have to shut my mouth if you could achieve an 80% hit-rate over 50 trials of your best guess on a 50/50 proposition.
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There's no way to do that without going to a brick and mortar casino and I'm not going to a brick and mortar casinoprobably ever again.

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October 27th, 2023 at 2:57:31 PM permalink

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There's a way to show enough convincing evidence to shut everyone up and declare victory. I would have to shut my mouth if you could achieve an 80% hit-rate over 50 trials of your best guess on a 50/50 proposition.
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We know EB loves cats so if he successfully completes this challenge I will donate $100 to an animal charity.

Anybody else want in on this?

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October 27th, 2023 at 3:06:30 PM permalink

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There's a way to show enough convincing evidence to shut everyone up and declare victory. I would have to shut my mouth if you could achieve an 80% hit-rate over 50 trials of your best guess on a 50/50 proposition.
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There's no way to do that without going to a brick and mortar casino and I'm not going to a brick and mortar casinoprobably ever again.
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If it's possible then it's possible online.

We have went over this before and this is now suddenly the first time you have come up with this excuse.

You couldn't even get thought much lower hit rate with Mike. Why haven't you disclosed what happened with all that? Too embarrassing from what I gather. I can only imagine what happened.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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October 27th, 2023 at 3:09:34 PM permalink

Columbo episode XYZ-EB

Columbo: Mr. EB you are prime suspect in a murder. Do you have an airtight alibi?

EB. Yes. I was at a casino.

Columbo: Can you show the proof you were?

EB: No I can't. I don't have to. Prove I wasn't at the casino winning money.

Columbo: Mr. You have to give me your alibi. Not the other way around.

EB: Why? You will just say I did the murder anyway.

Columbo: OK, turn around, put your hands behind your back, you have the right to remain silent

EB: fat chance. I will talk and keep talking. Did you know I have over 25,000 nonsense posts at WOV?

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October 27th, 2023 at 3:09:58 PM permalink

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We have went over this before and this is now suddenly the first time you have come up with this excuse.
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You must be joking. I've been saying this over and over and over that you can't do it online. Have you been taking a nap? Good grief. And whatever you think happened with me and Mike is not what happened.

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October 27th, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM permalink

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you saying this does not constitute 𝙚𝙫𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚
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So what, I have the evidence in my hand and that's all I care about. There's absolutely no way to prove it to you, you've shown that over and over and over. Anything I come up with you will shoot down. I could take you to the casino 25 times in a row and you would still not believe it. This is a guarantee. You would just say it's luck.
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Show evidence of you withdrawing $2,000 a month from casino accounts for the last five years. Thats evidence. You say the casinos have been paying your bills. Show evidence of it and I'll never interact with you again. Show me I'm wrong and I'll apologize.
You can do it.....not.

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October 27th, 2023 at 4:59:13 PM permalink

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Show evidence of you withdrawing $2,000 a month from casino accounts for the last five years.
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Okay let's see. I've only been playing online in Michigan for a year and a half. And you know because I've posted it about 25 times that all the B&M casinos in Michigan closed in early 2020 and stayed closed for most of that year and you also know because I posted it about 125 times that I haven't been to a brick and mortar casino since 2019. And on top of that when you cash in your chips when you're done they give you cash, there's no evidence that you made a withdrawal. And on top of all THAT I would never play for that much money in my local casino because they would very quickly find a way to get rid of me if I was winning on a regular basis. So other than all that it's a really good idea you got there.. LOL

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October 27th, 2023 at 6:34:37 PM permalink

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On a roulette wheel, how does the past affect the future?
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The last spin can have absolutely zero effect on the next spin, how could it be otherwise. Every outcome is totally independent from the last outcome. But that doesn't matter, because you're only using 36 numbers and a zero, sequences are going to repeat over and over and over. And there's only a limited number of sequences if you're looking at 12 outcomes at a time. If you study it long enough it starts to make sense and you start to see ways of making wagers to win one or two units. As I keep saying the big mistake people make is they want it to last longer than that, they want to be able to play and play and play and that's impossible so they give up. Your entire mindset about playing has to change. Get in, get it done, get out. And move on. If I was a tattoo person which I am not that would be the only tattoo I would allow.
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Yes, 6.58 quintillion is a limited number of sequences, but it seems quite unwieldy.

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October 27th, 2023 at 7:20:56 PM permalink

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Yes, 6.58 quintillion is a limited number of sequences, but it seems quite unwieldy.
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"And there's only a limited number of sequences if you're looking at 12 outcomes at a time."

12 numbers at a time is a sequence, it's a whole unit. I look at 12 numbers at a time as a unit out of 36 numbers. I don't think that's what you calculated for. I think you'll find that the possibilities are somewhat less than you posted. 12 numbers as a unit can only do a certain number of things and they tend to repeat and become familiar if you study it long enough.

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October 27th, 2023 at 7:53:59 PM permalink

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Yes, 6.58 quintillion is a limited number of sequences, but it seems quite unwieldy.
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"And there's only a limited number of sequences if you're looking at 12 outcomes at a time."

12 numbers at a time is a sequence, it's a whole unit. I look at 12 numbers at a time as a unit out of 36 numbers. I don't think that's what you calculated for. I think you'll find that the possibilities are somewhat less than you posted. 12 numbers as a unit can only do a certain number of things and they tend to repeat and become familiar if you study it long enough.
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Yes, and that certain number of things is 6,582,952,005,840,040,000 different sequences of 12 numbers on a single-zero wheel, each sequence being equally probable. Are you saying that you have actually observed a repeated sequence of 12 numbers coming up?

Just considering the outcomes even/odd/zero, you can have 531,441 different sequences of 12 outcomes. Ignoring zero, you still have 4096 different patterns of odd/even or red/black. Are you saying some of those patterns repeat quite often? And you look for these repeaters? Even when you admit the patterns are independent of the future outcome?

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October 27th, 2023 at 8:55:01 PM permalink

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On a roulette wheel, how does the past affect the future?
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The last spin can have absolutely zero effect on the next spin, how could it be otherwise. Every outcome is totally independent from the last outcome. But that doesn't matter, because you're only using 36 numbers and a zero, sequences are going to repeat over and over and over. And there's only a limited number of sequences if you're looking at 12 outcomes at a time. If you study it long enough it starts to make sense and you start to see ways of making wagers to win one or two units. As I keep saying the big mistake people make is they want it to last longer than that, they want to be able to play and play and play and that's impossible so they give up. Your entire mindset about playing has to change. Get in, get it done, get out. And move on. If I was a tattoo person which I am not that would be the only tattoo I would allow.
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Yes, 6.58 quintillion is a limited number of sequences, but it seems quite unwieldy.
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Proof?

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October 27th, 2023 at 9:46:00 PM permalink

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you still have 4096 different patterns of odd/even or red/black. Are you saying some of those patterns repeat quite often?
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rr bb rr bb rr bb

ooe ooe ooe ooe

This is two examples of crude obvious patterns in 12 outcomes. Yes this kind of stuff repeats all the time. These are patterns even a child can spot, and they happen quite often because you're only dealing with 36 numbers. If I go to random.org and bring up 100 random numbers in a column I usually won't find any patterns at all except there might be a long chop here and there. The more numbers you have the fewer patterns you're going to see, at least patterns you can deal with. 36 is the outside amount of numbers I would actually prefer 24 but no roulette wheel has 24 numbers. 24 is easier to deal with for multiple reasons.

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October 27th, 2023 at 9:52:12 PM permalink

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Show evidence of you withdrawing $2,000 a month from casino accounts for the last five years.
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Okay let's see. I've only been playing online in Michigan for a year and a half. And you know because I've posted it about 25 times that all the B&M casinos in Michigan closed in early 2020 and stayed closed for most of that year and you also know because I posted it about 125 times that I haven't been to a brick and mortar casino since 2019. And on top of that when you cash in your chips when you're done they give you cash, there's no evidence that you made a withdrawal. And on top of all THAT I would never play for that much money in my local casino because they would very quickly find a way to get rid of me if I was winning on a regular basis. So other than all that it's a really good idea you got there.. LOL
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Now I am bewildered. You claim the casinos have been paying your bills for years but now you say a year and a half online and no casinos from 2019 until then.
As Judge Judy says- If you tell the truth, you don't need a good memory.

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October 27th, 2023 at 10:23:32 PM permalink

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you still have 4096 different patterns of odd/even or red/black. Are you saying some of those patterns repeat quite often?
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rr bb rr bb rr bb

ooe ooe ooe ooe

This is two examples of crude obvious patterns in 12 outcomes. Yes this kind of stuff repeats all the time. These are patterns even a child can spot, and they happen quite often because you're only dealing with 36 numbers. If I go to random.org and bring up 100 random numbers in a column I usually won't find any patterns at all except there might be a long chop here and there. The more numbers you have the fewer patterns you're going to see, at least patterns you can deal with. 36 is the outside amount of numbers I would actually prefer 24 but no roulette wheel has 24 numbers. 24 is easier to deal with for multiple reasons.
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Yes, 1,594,323 seems much more manageable.

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October 27th, 2023 at 10:37:37 PM permalink

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Now I am bewildered. You claim the casinos have been paying your bills for years
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Nope, never said it. Soopoo said that and of course everybody gets totally confused around here so there you go. I pay my bills now, not for years I haven't been online for years. The reading comprehension around here is absolutely amazing.

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October 27th, 2023 at 10:39:15 PM permalink

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Yes, 1,594,323 seems much more manageable.
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I have no idea what that number means because you don't say what it means. It's completely different from the numbers that mental posted.

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October 27th, 2023 at 11:38:47 PM permalink

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Yes, 1,594,323 seems much more manageable.
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I have no idea what that number means because you don't say what it means. It's completely different from the numbers that mental posted.
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3 to the twelfth, times 3. This should be a 12 long series of rolls, correlated to Even/Odd(/green), Red/Black(/green), and High/Low(/green).

(I could be wrong, but I think this is closer than the 1.5 x 10^17 I get another way... which really isn't less than 6.5 quintillion, as it still handily swamps the 100 billion or so neurons in a brain.)

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October 27th, 2023 at 11:46:13 PM permalink

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Yes, 1,594,323 seems much more manageable.
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I have no idea what that number means because you don't say what it means. It's completely different from the numbers that mental posted.
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3 to the twelfth, times 3. This should be a 12 long series of rolls, correlated to Even/Odd(/green), Red/Black(/green), and High/Low(/green).

(I could be wrong, but I think this is closer than the 1.5 x 10^17 I get another way... which really isn't less than 6.5 quintillion, as it still handily swamps the 100 billion or so neurons in a brain.)
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Good grief. No wonder you people can't figure out how to beat a simple casino game, your head is crammed full of this crap.

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October 28th, 2023 at 5:31:13 AM permalink

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We have went over this before and this is now suddenly the first time you have come up with this excuse.
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You must be joking. I've been saying this over and over and over that you can't do it online. Have you been taking a nap? Good grief. And whatever you think happened with me and Mike is not what happened.
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Show me a post before the last 4 days and since you started playing on Bovada that you can't do it online.

I'm fairly certain you said you could achieve that higher hit rate online but it might take 3 days before you make a bet. I'm fairly certain I can find posts where you are talking about this 75%=80% hit rate in relationship to online. When someone made a poem about your roulette 80% hit rate you said infatically yes that's what I do. When you were going to prove to Mike you could beat roulette you said you were not doing the 80% hit rate thing because it would take too long (sometimes 3 days before you make a bet) I don't think you ever said that you can't do it online since you started playing online. I believe you actually said you could do it online.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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October 28th, 2023 at 7:32:05 AM permalink

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you still have 4096 different patterns of odd/even or red/black. Are you saying some of those patterns repeat quite often?
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rr bb rr bb rr bb

ooe ooe ooe ooe

This is two examples of crude obvious patterns in 12 outcomes. Yes this kind of stuff repeats all the time. These are patterns even a child can spot, and they happen quite often because you're only dealing with 36 numbers. If I go to random.org and bring up 100 random numbers in a column I usually won't find any patterns at all except there might be a long chop here and there. The more numbers you have the fewer patterns you're going to see, at least patterns you can deal with. 36 is the outside amount of numbers I would actually prefer 24 but no roulette wheel has 24 numbers. 24 is easier to deal with for multiple reasons.
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It is amazing how inexact you are with your math terms. "Yes this kind of stuff repeats all the time." Ignoring green, 'rr bb rr bb rr bb' can be expected to repeat once every 4096 spins of the wheel. Are you claiming that your wheel produces a pattern of 'rr bb rr bb rr bb' all the time? All the time means every time, but I do not think that is what you are claiming. What specifically is the frequency you are observing on your wheel for this pattern? When you see this 'rr bb rr bb rr bb' pattern, what do you think is going to come up on the next spin, and why? After all, you admit that all spins are independent.

Of course, you will never go beyond vague generalities in your answers and you will bury this post under hundreds of nonsense posts.

In my opinion, you have never made any definite claim about roulette, so this thread is about nothing.

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October 28th, 2023 at 7:57:12 AM permalink

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I'm fairly certain you said you could achieve that higher hit rate online but it might take 3 days before you make a bet. I'm fairly certain I can find posts where you are talking about this 75%=80% hit rate in relationship to online. When someone made a poem about your roulette 80% hit rate you said infatically yes that's what I do. When you were going to prove to Mike you could beat roulette you said you were not doing the 80% hit rate thing because it would take too long (sometimes 3 days before you make a bet) I don't think you ever said that you can't do it online since you started playing online. I believe you actually said you could do it online.
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I have no idea what you're asking in this jumbled mess.

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October 28th, 2023 at 8:05:14 AM permalink

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It is amazing how inexact you are with your math terms. "Yes this kind of stuff repeats all the time."
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'This kind of stuff' means patterns happen all the time. No, not the same exact patterns, there are lots and lots and lots and lots of patterns. I simply gave this as an example which I should have realized would be immediately misunderstood. I was just trying to illustrate what patterns look like. This is like trying to explain a bicycle to people who have never seen a bicycle before. If this is on a roulette forum people would know what I was talking about immediately.

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October 28th, 2023 at 8:30:22 AM permalink

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It is amazing how inexact you are with your math terms. "Yes this kind of stuff repeats all the time."
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'This kind of stuff' means patterns happen all the time. No, not the same exact patterns, there are lots and lots and lots and lots of patterns. I simply gave this as an example which I should have realized would be immediately misunderstood. I was just trying to illustrate what patterns look like. This is like trying to explain a bicycle to people who have never seen a bicycle before. If this is on a roulette forum people would know what I was talking about immediately.
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So, no answers to specific questions.

If this was a roulette forum people would accept non-answers.

I will stop commenting on this thread for lack of responsiveness to any intelligent questions.

Your only specific roulette claim is that you sometimes win one unit playing roulette. If you keep on playing, then you expect to lose that unit back. This is a totally believable and unremarkable claim.

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October 28th, 2023 at 9:16:18 AM permalink

It's pretty evident EB is spewing nonsense and his pattern of denying earlier statements indicates he is either being untruthful or honestly doesn't remember what his earlier posts say. In any event, I'm also withdrawing from this inane thread.

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October 28th, 2023 at 10:56:07 AM permalink

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If you keep on playing, then you expect to lose that unit back.
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If I expected to lose it back why would I keep playing. I have no idea what specific questions I didn't answer, unless you mean you're ridiculous questions about the examples that I posted. Those were serious questions? You've got to be kidding.

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October 28th, 2023 at 10:56:47 AM permalink

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I'm also withdrawing from this inane thread.
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Promise? What a relief..

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October 28th, 2023 at 2:31:41 PM permalink

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I'm fairly certain you said you could achieve that higher hit rate online but it might take 3 days before you make a bet. I'm fairly certain I can find posts where you are talking about this 75%=80% hit rate in relationship to online. When someone made a poem about your roulette 80% hit rate you said infatically yes that's what I do. When you were going to prove to Mike you could beat roulette you said you were not doing the 80% hit rate thing because it would take too long (sometimes 3 days before you make a bet) I don't think you ever said that you can't do it online since you started playing online. I believe you actually said you could do it online.
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I have no idea what you're asking in this jumbled mess.
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I wasn't asking anything, I was pointing out that you seem to make up stuff as you go, and you contradict things you have said in the past.

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October 28th, 2023 at 2:49:21 PM permalink

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was pointing out that you seem to make up stuff as you go, and you contradict things you have said in the past.
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Nope. As I keep pointing out it's obviously a reading comprehension problem people are skimming my posts and not reading them. All this time for instance SooPoo I thought I was paying my bills every month for the last 20 years with roulette which is absolutely ridiculous. He thought that because he read what I wrote wrong or he just assumed. If you have a question ask it, realize you probably read it wrong and misunderstood what I said the first time. Or don't, I don't care. Do what you want.

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October 28th, 2023 at 3:07:20 PM permalink

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was pointing out that you seem to make up stuff as you go, and you contradict things you have said in the past.
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Nope. As I keep pointing out it's obviously a reading comprehension problem people are skimming my posts and not reading them. All this time for instance SooPoo I thought I was paying my bills every month for the last 20 years with roulette which is absolutely ridiculous. He thought that because he read what I wrote wrong or he just assumed. If you have a question ask it, realize you probably read it wrong and misunderstood what I said the first time. Or don't, I don't care. Do what you want.
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Nope, I have found enough examples to be sure, and others have pointed out the same things.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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October 28th, 2023 at 3:29:52 PM permalink

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Nope, I have found enough examples
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No you haven't. What are they, I'll set you straight. I'm sure I'm going to hear nothing but the sound of crickets.. LOL

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October 29th, 2023 at 2:13:51 AM permalink

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Nope, I have found enough examples
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No you haven't. What are they, I'll set you straight. I'm sure I'm going to hear nothing but the sound of crickets.. LOL
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You will just make up more crap as you go. The only reason you would hear crickets is that I don't have the patience to go back and look through all your closed threads, not because the evidence does not exist.

let's start off with the fact that you said you never lied and yet your first post here was a lie and you continued that lie and even added more to the lie to fool people.

And as to your SYSTEM (Nope, it's not a legit method). The only evidence you have that you can beat roulette is your word for it, and it seems that no one around here is taking your word for it.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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October 29th, 2023 at 8:04:37 AM permalink

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Okie dokie artichokie. As usual your opinion changes absolutely nothing in reality.

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November 2nd, 2023 at 7:09:26 PM permalink

"What is the difference between a betting system and a bidding method.

A betting system is a set of rules or guidelines that a bettor follows when placing bets. The goal of a betting system is to generate a profit over time, regardless of the individual outcomes of each bet.

A betting method, on the other hand, is a more general approach to betting. It is not as rigid as a betting system. Betting methods are often used in conjunction with each other to create a more comprehensive betting strategy.

Here are some examples of betting methods:

Betting on value: This method involves betting on outcomes that have a higher probability of winning.
Betting on trends: This method involves betting on outcomes that are trending in a certain direction.

Which is better, a betting system or a betting method? It depends on your individual preferences and betting style. Some bettors prefer to follow a strict betting system, while others prefer to use a more flexible betting method."

OR:

"Betting System:
A betting system is a structured approach or strategy that a bettor uses to manage their bets and often follow specific rules or principles to guide the bettor's decisions.

Betting Method:
A betting method is a broader term that encompasses not only how bets are placed but also the bettor's analysis of games or events, the types of bets they make, and their overall approach to betting."

Obviously they are two different things which is why I always correct somebody when they say I use a betting system because I do not. Betting systems do not work with random outcomes because random outcomes follow no rules so a system full of rules will obviously fail.

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November 2nd, 2023 at 8:07:20 PM permalink

I had a duh moment tonight. I was playing a session and not finding a single thing to bet on in looking at it for half an hour. It happens. I realized that this is the 56% edge manifesting itself. This is where it comes from, knowing when not to bet. Of course it comes from knowing when to bet, but a large part of the edge comes from knowing when not to bet. Duh. Having the skill to hold on to your money, having the skill to control everything about your bankroll, that's all Incorporated into the 56%.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

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November 2nd, 2023 at 9:32:40 PM permalink

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I had a duh moment tonight. I was playing a session and not finding a single thing to bet on in looking at it for half an hour. It happens. I realized that this is the 56% edge manifesting itself. This is where it comes from, knowing when not to bet. Of course it comes from knowing when to bet, but a large part of the edge comes from knowing when not to bet. Duh. Having the skill to hold on to your money, having the skill to control everything about your bankroll, that's all Incorporated into the 56%.
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Is everything you said in this post accurate understood and truthful?

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 2nd, 2023 at 9:40:20 PM permalink

I walked by a roulette machine and it said Red was winning 56% of the time and Black was winning 38% of the time and Green was winning 6% of the time. I have no idea if that was the last 50 or 100 spins or what or if I should bet Red or Black. Probably not Black, no.

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November 2nd, 2023 at 9:58:58 PM permalink

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"What is the difference between a betting system and a bidding method.

A betting system is a set of rules or guidelines that a bettor follows when placing bets. The goal of a betting system is to generate a profit over time, regardless of the individual outcomes of each bet.

A betting method, on the other hand, is a more general approach to betting. It is not as rigid as a betting system. Betting methods are often used in conjunction with each other to create a more comprehensive betting strategy.

Here are some examples of betting methods:

Betting on value: This method involves betting on outcomes that have a higher probability of winning.
Betting on trends: This method involves betting on outcomes that are trending in a certain direction.

Which is better, a betting system or a betting method? It depends on your individual preferences and betting style. Some bettors prefer to follow a strict betting system, while others prefer to use a more flexible betting method."

OR:

"Betting System:
A betting system is a structured approach or strategy that a bettor uses to manage their bets and often follow specific rules or principles to guide the bettor's decisions.

Betting Method:
A betting method is a broader term that encompasses not only how bets are placed but also the bettor's analysis of games or events, the types of bets they make, and their overall approach to betting."

Obviously they are two different things which is why I always correct somebody when they say I use a betting system because I do not. Betting systems do not work with random outcomes because random outcomes follow no rules so a system full of rules will obviously fail.
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Bob, If you are lonely and miss me I can give you my phone number and you can just call me. I'm actually a good listener, sympathetic, practical, and helpful, I'll even give you the tough love truth if that's what you need.

I'm practically the only one that will respond to this thread anymore, and you damned well know that. Your post was an obvious crying call to me, especially since I'm practically the only one who's ever argued about the difference between a betting method and a betting system.

I know you come from a time, as do probably anybody born before the '90s where men don't show their emotions, and ask for help. But hey, I don't give a s*** about all that... you can cry on my shoulder anytime, and I won't think any less of you. Your current situation has to be really tough in your lonely twilight years. Thank God for the internet and cats. Ehh?

You make me realize just how fortunate I am, I'm not too old and I can't still enjoy youth and fun things(I recently took some steps to make sure to enjoy things I have always wanted to before it's too late and I still can, but that's a different story). I hope to never be stubborn, curmudgeonous, set in my ways, and always eager to learn new things.

I have friends and a beautiful smart wife that I can communicate and see any time I wish... I probably take that for granted. You remind me that I shouldn't. Thanks for that.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 2nd, 2023 at 10:45:26 PM permalink

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I had a duh moment tonight. I was playing a session and not finding a single thing to bet on in looking at it for half an hour. It happens. I realized that this is the 56% edge manifesting itself. This is where it comes from, knowing when not to bet. Of course it comes from knowing when to bet, but a large part of the edge comes from knowing when not to bet. Duh. Having the skill to hold on to your money, having the skill to control everything about your bankroll, that's all Incorporated into the 56%.
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Is everything you said in this post accurate understood and truthful?
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At first I thought while I'm sitting there not seeing a bet for half an hour that this was separate from having the edge. Then I realized this of course this was the edge. Knowing when not to bet is exactly the same thing as knowing when to bet, they are inseparable. When a ploppy sits down he has no idea what to do so he just bets randomly and the house edge will eat him up. When you have the edge waiting for the right opportunity to bet IS your edge.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

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November 2nd, 2023 at 10:51:36 PM permalink

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Bob, If you are lonely and miss me I can give you my phone number and you can just call me. I'm actually a good listener,
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LOL! Knock it off, I'm old enough to be your daddy but lucky for you I'm not. So quit all the condescending crap, if you can't be real don't be anything at all. I'd give you my phone number but I know I'd spend all my time having to listen to you beg me to teach you everything I know. And that ain't going to happen.

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November 2nd, 2023 at 11:24:36 PM permalink

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I had a duh moment tonight. I was playing a session and not finding a single thing to bet on in looking at it for half an hour. It happens. I realized that this is the 56% edge manifesting itself. This is where it comes from, knowing when not to bet. Of course it comes from knowing when to bet, but a large part of the edge comes from knowing when not to bet. Duh. Having the skill to hold on to your money, having the skill to control everything about your bankroll, that's all Incorporated into the 56%.
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Is everything you said in this post accurate understood and truthful?
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At first I thought while I'm sitting there not seeing a bet for half an hour that this was separate from having the edge. Then I realized this of course this was the edge. Knowing when not to bet is exactly the same thing as knowing when to bet, they are inseparable. When a ploppy sits down he has no idea what to do so he just bets randomly and the house edge will eat him up. When you have the edge waiting for the right opportunity to bet IS your edge.
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You didn't awnser the question. You are claiming a 56% edge, that's a monster advantage on roulette. You'll make $56 for every $100 bet on average.

Either we are correct to assume that you haven't a clue about math, and you don't know gambling or math terminology, or you are now claiming you play with a 56% edge.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 2nd, 2023 at 11:30:22 PM permalink

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I'd give you my phone number but I know I'd spend all my time having to listen to you beg me to teach you everything I know. And that ain't going to happen.
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Well, F@U<, now I'll never learn how to clean those 30-year-old cat hair filled, stinky, ugly ass Afghan blankets.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 3rd, 2023 at 6:31:39 AM permalink

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was pointing out that you seem to make up stuff as you go, and you contradict things you have said in the past.
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Nope. As I keep pointing out it's obviously a reading comprehension problem people are skimming my posts and not reading them. All this time for instance SooPoo I thought I was paying my bills every month for the last 20 years with roulette which is absolutely ridiculous. He thought that because he read what I wrote wrong or he just assumed. If you have a question ask it, realize you probably read it wrong and misunderstood what I said the first time. Or don't, I don't care. Do what you want.
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Timeline not relevant. The fact is you have never �paid your bills� with roulette winnings. That is not to say you never have had a winning session/day. Just you need some source (job/social security/wife�s money) to fund your losing -EV roulette play. Why would anyone ask you a question when your answer is never based in reality (about gambling)?

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November 3rd, 2023 at 7:17:32 AM permalink

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Either we are correct to assume that you haven't a clue about math, and you don't know gambling or math terminology, or you are now claiming you play with a 56% edge.
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This is old news. A couple weeks ago Oncedear broke down the math I used to get the 56% and said I was correct. You're good at finding stuff go look for it.

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November 3rd, 2023 at 7:19:07 AM permalink

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F@U<, now I'll never learn how to clean those 30-year-old cat hair filled, stinky, ugly ass Afghan blankets.
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Correct, you won't learn my roulette method and you won't learn that either. Beg all you want..

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November 3rd, 2023 at 10:51:03 AM permalink

Elon Musk is unveiling his x-AI tomorrow and says it's the best in the world. I'm interested to see what it says the difference between a method and a system are. So far AI has not disappointed me.

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November 3rd, 2023 at 12:48:47 PM permalink

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Either we are correct to assume that you haven't a clue about math, and you don't know gambling or math terminology, or you are now claiming you play with a 56% edge.
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This is old news. A couple weeks ago Oncedear broke down the math I used to get the 56% and said I was correct. You're good at finding stuff go look for it.
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But you said you can't achieve a 80% hit rate online.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 3rd, 2023 at 2:20:16 PM permalink

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]But you said you can't achieve a 80% hit rate online.
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Why do you play these stupid games with me, I'm getting really sick of it. I'm not explaining the same things over and over. If you want to know something about what I said go look it up. No matter what I say, you'll get it wrong next week. No matter what I say you'll twist it around to mean something else. No matter what I say you'll say I contradicted four other things I said. You're the one that doesn't remember, you're the one that doesn't get things right, not me.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

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