Trump's Final 100 days
Quote: billryanAre there any Republican Senators from high tax states? NY, NJ, Cali all have Democratic Senators. Not sure what other states are considered high tax?
Well high tax states are usually that way because so much extra infrastructure is required due to much higher populations
Densely packed higher population centers usually mean lower income masses
That usually tranlates to democratic leanings in votership
Lower income population centers have a higher need for financial help from the state
Democratic leaders raise that thru taxes
So its a roundabout unending loop as to why
Quote: billryanAre there any Republican Senators from high tax states? NY, NJ, Cali all have Democratic Senators. Not sure what other states are considered high tax?
My error. I meant Congressmen. Any bill must pass both houses.
Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
#MAGA! (Molest a girl again!)
Quote: ams288Roy Moore, Alabama's racist, homophobic GOP Senate candidate had a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl when he was 32. Three other women say he pursued them when they were in their teens.
Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
#MAGA! (Molest a girl again!)
38 years later........ ( I do believe her, but.... 38 years....)
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: ams288Roy Moore, Alabama's racist, homophobic GOP Senate candidate had a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl when he was 32. Three other women say he pursued them when they were in their teens.
Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
#MAGA! (Molest a girl again!)
38 years later........ ( I do believe her, but.... 38 years....)
This may be news to some of you, but this stuff went on ALL. THE. TIME. until women started coming forward on Cosby and Trump. Those who tried before were either scorned, blamed, disbelieved, or paid off.
Look at how Anita Hill was treated during Clarence Thomas SCOTUS hearings. Just the best example of past dealings on something like this, far from the only one.
I was put in this position more than a few times; I dealt with it privately. Somewhat chickens#!/ of me, but I was never willing to be so offended as to risk losing my job over making a formal complaint. And yes, that's what it comes down to sometimes. There's also the embarassment, humiliation, and awkwardness it causes for everyone else around the both of you once you make it public. So I didn't then. I might now, though I'm no longer attractive to predators, so it's a moot point.
It happens. It's not always the guy's fault, or all his fault. But it's also not acceptable to simply ignore or dismiss it.
Current activities in whistleblowing are, I think, getting overblown. I could be wrong; maybe it takes this kind of cringeworthy publicity and condemnation to get it stopped. However, I think it's partly also a backlash at the dismissal of so many voters about Trump being a predatory creep. So men are reaping what they've sown for so long. And the Trump accusations are still in the wings.
I don't think, from what I know of Mark Halperin's accusations, for example, that he should be held in the same contempt that Weinstein, Cosby, and yes, Trump are. Halperin was single, looking to date adult women at work, and apparently went too far with his attentions. I wasn't there, so hard to say.
Anyway, a girl of 14, 16, or 2 of 18 are all too young for a guy in his 30's to hit on. The Judge is probably toast.
Quote: ams288I'm FASCINATED by how many conservatives have defended child molestation this evening. There is truly no bottom for them...
Yeah, pretty hard to take. You're too young, but when Brooke Shields was 14, she did a Calvin Klein ad topless and in jeans, and the tagline was, "Nothing comes between me and my Calvins" implying she was commando.
We had this conversation.
When Sissy Spacek played Loretta Lynn in Coal Miner's Daughter, they showed her losing her virginity at 14 or less on her wedding night, to Tommy Lee Jones, who was about 25.
We had this conversation.
When Jerry Lee Lewis movie Great Balls of Fire came out (Dennis Quaid) they showed him marrying in his late 20's and deflowering his 13 year old first cousin.
We had this conversation.
Back when women died in childbirth and were old by 25, and everybody was dead by 40, it was common to marry and start having babies at 13-14. Guys usually were older. That didn't really stop being common until about 100 years ago, especially in the South. Also common was men marrying 2-3 or more times because the wife died and they wanted more kids.
So I don't know. 16 (minimum age of informed consent) is, in reproductive age, anywhere from 7 years to that year for women to be fertile. When a man was expected to provide everything for the woman and the family, it made some sense for them to marry really young and have lots of kids, because it was a pioneer, farming society, and the kids needed to be grown enough by the time the parents got worn out to work hard. She just needed to be grown enough to reach adolescence and have her bone structure adapt enough to carry a child that wouldn't kill her in the process.
The time these things happened also has to be factored in. 1977-79 (Brooke Shields, above) was the height of free love and young girls being the most desirable. It had spread from the hippies to the suburbs, and everybody was getting laid, and even talking about it. All the Playboy/Penthouse models were 18, if that. Traci Lords was the hottest porn star, and she was 15-16 when she made her name. (Which is why you can't find those movies now: they were outlawed. ) All the models in the ads were girls with barely budding breasts on boyish figures.
So a guy of 33-34, good job, drinking age 18 most states, everything, both historically and in that society around him was telling him to go for the really young ones, and if he had any game and reasonable looks, he would have little trouble.
You'll have to trust me on most of this if you're too young to have lived then. I was the same age as the older girls he got with, and that's exactly how it was until 1981, when Reagan and the Moral Majority took over, along with AIDS and a spike in drugs and drunks killing people; thing changed FAST, or went underground. I dated guys his age, even older in a couple of cases, starting at 14. It was a transitional social time, just after Vietnam, after Nixon resigned, and things were pretty crazy by today's standards.
So was it pedophilia? Absolutely, even then. But you really do have to put it in context. All sorts of bad stuff like this happened, was kept secret, or even talked about some. Several girls in my school, starting in 9th grade, got pregnant and either dropped out or got (newly legal) abortions.
And it was the start of the time where women were just entering the workforce beyond being secretaries, nurses, or teachers, getting to play sports, enter the Service Academies. The ERA had passed Congress and was in the ratification process. Women were feeling powerful, and saying "yes" when they had always been told to say "no". Or were no longer told "no". So we got into a lot of adult situations where we really weren't mature enough to handle any consequences.
A lot of guys, too, got "trained" into thinking it was all ok. You look at the ages of these guys getting brought forward for this stuff, they're in their 50's, 60's 70's for the most part. Even if it's recent behavior, that's when it started for them. But the world changed on them, and their interests weren't acceptable any more.
Just thinking out loud. This doesn't happen in isolation.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou'll have to trust me on most of this if you're too young to have lived then. I was the same age as the older girls he got with, and that's exactly how it was until 1981, when Reagan and the Moral Majority took over, along with AIDS and a spike in drugs and drunks killing people; thing changed FAST, or went underground. I dated guys his age, even older in a couple of cases, starting at 14. It was a transitional social time, just after Vietnam, after Nixon resigned, and things were pretty crazy by today's standards.
So was it pedophilia? Absolutely, even then. But you really do have to put it in context. All sorts of bad stuff like this happened, was kept secret, or even talked about some. Several girls in my school, starting in 9th grade, got pregnant and either dropped out or got (newly legal) abortions.
I was just thinking, didn’t several still famous rock bands from the 60s/70s/80s openly have very young groupies?
Not to defend it in any context, but It’s interesting those people get a pass on having their career ended for something they did 30 years prior.
Quote: gamerfreakI was just thinking, didn’t several still famous rock bands from the 60s/70s/80s openly have very young groupies?
Not to defend it in any context, but It’s interesting those people get a pass on having their career ended for something they did 30 years prior.
Yes, they did.
Quote: ams288I'm FASCINATED by how many conservatives have defended child molestation this evening. There is truly no bottom for them...
You shouldn’t be that surprised...the feminists supported bill Clinton when his victims came forward. The team mentality is a stronger driver for most people than principals.
That said, I’m not defending sex with a 14 year old which is clearly wrong, but I think it’s important to distinguish this from sex with someone who is prepubescent—a much more odious crime.
Quote:I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.
These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my d--- without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your d--- isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.
more at link.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/celebrity/louis-ck-breaks-silence-these-stories-are-true/ar-BBEP39h?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Sad to hear that ladies were hurt by his behaviour in the past and I have to say I truly admire the honesty and humility with which he has apologised. His acknowledgement of guilt will really hurt him financially and shoot his career into the abyss. I hope it doesn't enrich any lawyers.
But this is what it will take for the world to come to terms with the realisation that some businesses and social circles have for too long concealed and lived with such behaviours. There is perhaps hope for humanity, while guys like CK can own up and hopefully discourage their followers from such behaviour.
Kudos to all those ladies that spoke up and kudos to CK for not trying to justify or fight back.
Quote: ams288I'm FASCINATED by how many conservatives have defended child molestation this evening. There is truly no bottom for them...
I am really blown away by the conservatives defending Moore
ALL sexual predators disgust me
ALL
I don't give a crap about politics when it comes to sexual predators
They all need to be prosecuted regardless of Politics
I absolutely hate sexual predators.
Bill Clinton, I hate him
Donald Trump, I hate him
I hate ALL sexual predators
Totally blown away that the right defends sexual predators due to politics
Me, a liberal atheist has a better moral compass then some christian conservatives
SAD
Quote: IbeatyouracesAs someone who has daughters, these predators should be shot in the face!!!
Im sure they were but probably not the way you were thinking
Quote: darkozIm sure they were but probably not the way you were thinking
I'm going straight to hell for laughing at this.
"Liberals destroy everything they touch. The NFL, Halloween, Christmas, American history, healthcare, the economy... They’re a forest fire." -- Dan Bongino
Haha... I don't know what that guy thinks a liberal is, or how any of those things he mentioned has been even remotely "destroyed" by them. What on Earth is this guy even talking about??? Haha... The things some people will say for a paycheck...
Quote: TigerWuI came across this quote this morning and had a good chuckle:
"Liberals destroy everything they touch. The NFL, Halloween, Christmas, American history, healthcare, the economy... They’re a forest fire." -- Dan Bongino
Haha... I don't know...how any of those things he mentioned has been even remotely "destroyed" by them...
That's part of the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ELaB1_qN5s
Ellen Farber, of "Christians against masturbation," is played by Liz Holtan.
Because he is ( wait for it ) the WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.Quote: billryanIt's not just that. He's telling the entire Intelligence Networks that he doesn't believe them. The FBI, the CIA, The NSA and Naval Intelligence have all confirmed Russian meddling in the election, but he chooses to publicly state he believes Putin.
Here's what the idiotrumpTM said:
"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose.
"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
Quote: @realDonaldTrumpWhy would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!
It's funny, but at the same time...... we're all gonna die.
Quote: ams288He really tweeted this tonight:
It's funny, but at the same time...... we're all gonna die.
Best. Tweet. Ever.
Quote: ams288He really tweeted this tonight:
It's funny, but at the same time...... we're all gonna die.
Quote: JohnnyQBecause he is ( wait for it ) the WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
Here's what the idiotrumpTM said:
"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose.
"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
I guess Putin, like Trump, is incapable of lying.
To me, the punishment for the "crime" is too severe. It seems like the news has been dominated by snowflakes these days, and I know that the snowflakes will take offense to this.
The fact is that today, standards are different. You have to ask for permission to do anything with a woman these days, and it seems that it is the man's responsibility not to ask in the first place if the "yes" answer could ever possibly be construed as a abuse of power or potential power by the alleged perpetrator. That is just plain nuts, especially when women are attracted to money and power (items that improve security) to begin with and men are attracted to visual cues.
Even if permission is not given, for a woman to claim long term effects when a guy (Bush 41) grabs an ass and tells a dirty joke or another guy jerks off on the phone and has the effect of terminating ones career is just plain hypocritical. Or if a guy makes a move without permission when the definitions of sexual assault has changed.
Women, you have to deal with the fact that men are creeps. We, in general, love sex, and will push boundaries to get it. Women, you really cannot claim anything unless you gave an emphatic no. Someone jerking off on the phone? Hang up. Someone jerking off in front of you? Get up and punch them in the nuts. Empower yourselves!
We all have skeletons in our closets. For me, I indeed do feel a lot of guilt if my "crossing the line" caused any long term effects. On the other hand, get a grip. There are going to be times when women face sexual encounters that they regret or that happen without permission. But one's career should not be forced to end because of inappropriate yet non-criminal behaviour. I suspect that most men would be in trouble if every sexual encounter that we had were reviewed for appropriateness and held to the same gold standard that celebrities and politicians seem to be held to today.
And yes, I feel that same way about Trump's Inside edition tape. Wildly inappropriate, yes. Job-ending? Apparently not. Crazy.
Quote: boymimboI've been struggling to understand the whole definition of sexual "misconduct" and the effect that it has been having on celebrities and politicians and is likely rewriting sexual harassment policies across corporate America today.
To me, the punishment for the "crime" is too severe. It seems like the news has been dominated by snowflakes these days, and I know that the snowflakes will take offense to this.
The fact is that today, standards are different. You have to ask for permission to do anything with a woman these days, and it seems that it is the man's responsibility not to ask in the first place if the "yes" answer could ever possibly be construed as a abuse of power or potential power by the alleged perpetrator. That is just plain nuts, especially when women are attracted to money and power (items that improve security) to begin with and men are attracted to visual cues.
Even if permission is not given, for a woman to claim long term effects when a guy (Bush 41) grabs an ass and tells a dirty joke or another guy jerks off on the phone and has the effect of terminating ones career is just plain hypocritical. Or if a guy makes a move without permission when the definitions of sexual assault has changed.
Women, you have to deal with the fact that men are creeps. We, in general, love sex, and will push boundaries to get it. Women, you really cannot claim anything unless you gave an emphatic no. Someone jerking off on the phone? Hang up. Someone jerking off in front of you? Get up and punch them in the nuts. Empower yourselves!
We all have skeletons in our closets. For me, I indeed do feel a lot of guilt if my "crossing the line" caused any long term effects. On the other hand, get a grip. There are going to be times when women face sexual encounters that they regret or that happen without permission. But one's career should not be forced to end because of inappropriate yet non-criminal behaviour. I suspect that most men would be in trouble if every sexual encounter that we had were reviewed for appropriateness and held to the same gold standard that celebrities and politicians seem to be held to today.
And yes, I feel that same way about Trump's Inside edition tape. Wildly inappropriate, yes. Job-ending? Apparently not. Crazy.
I agree with almost everything you said, and said much the same in this thread before. However, the standard IS different for a President. And it should be. Being self-impressed over forcing your gropes on unwilling victims, statutory rape of a 13yo, even barging into dressing rooms under deliberately false pretenses, represent an unacceptable abuse of power and a sick mind. And it's first-hand evidence he gave against himself in most cases. Way past he said-she said.
As to the others. There are many shades of grey, but there are a few hard black lines. Age of consent is one of them, re: Roy Moore and Kevin Spacey. Forcing women to have sex as a condition of their employment is another re: Harvey Weinstein. Drugging women to rape them is another re: Bill Cosby.
Other stuff that's coming out as career-ending behavior, I don't know that we have enough information. Louie CK, Mark Halperin, some of the others, there's a lot of context missing. But that's part of what these women are trying to change, I guess. The entire culture. Which is going to suck for everybody for a long time.
I'd like to see people relax from the hyper-paranoid world we're in right now. It's going to make things very awkward in workplaces for a long time. And sweep up a lot of people who were not fairly addressed at the time, because the boundaries were different. Which is why they weren't addressed at the time; the victims had no voice the managers would listen to. Vicious circle.
Likewise, if the charges against Moore and 14 year old girl are true in the circumstances described where he was manipulating the kid without the parents knowledge -- there's virtually no excuse.
Quote: beachbumbabsBut that's part of what these women are trying to change, I guess. The entire culture.
Don't we want to make America great again?
It seems to me that America was great when women knew their place.
Don't go getting your panties all in a bunch, I was J/k.
I have a feeling most people think America was great when they were coming of age.
You cant say "hey i want to take you to my bedroom" as that will cause some women interested in their career to say they were harrassed.
You cant be coy because when you finally ask to go to a bedroom you will be accused of misleading using your power and trying to bed women
So the solution is up front honesty
A woman starts talking to a famous celebrity who finds her attractive. Just say "i like you. If you like me too lets go talk some more. If you are just looking for your big hollywood break then hav your agent call mine"
Should solve everything
Quote: darkozCelebrities will just hav to forgo some of the romancing for more direct discussion
You cant say "hey i want to take you to my bedroom" as that will cause some women interested in their career to say they were harrassed.
You cant be coy because when you finally ask to go to a bedroom you will be accused of misleading using your power and trying to bed women
So the solution is up front honesty
A woman starts talking to a famous celebrity who finds her attractive. Just say "i like you. If you like me too lets go talk some more. If you are just looking for your big hollywood break then hav your agent call mine"
Should solve everything
"Before we proceed on this date, I need you to read this and sign here, here, and here. If we go back to my or your place after, you'll also need to sign here, here, and here......and if you want to proceed with sexual relations with me, you're gonna have to get this form over here notarized."
Quote: RS"Before we proceed on this date, I need you to read this and sign here, here, and here. If we go back to my or your place after, you'll also need to sign here, here, and here......and if you want to proceed with sexual relations with me, you're gonna have to get this form over here notarized."
This is a joke, but I'm pretty sure some celebrities do have people go through stuff like this before sleeping with them...
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/charlie-sheen-non-disclosure-documents-77821
As sean connery drove to the goldfinger premeire a woman from the crowd of onlookers threw herself THRU the window into his lap
This is why the big celebrities start thinking every woman wants them
What an idiot.
They're reporting also that he was BANNED from the l
Gadsden mall because he was trolling for teens. Can you imagine?
They've already launched all their nukes, people should hurry to their bunkers.Quote: RSHaven't heard much chatter about the Russia investigation and whafnot. What's the latest scoop?
Quote: RSHaven't heard much chatter about the Russia investigation and whafnot. What's the latest scoop?
Jeff sessions is asking for an investigation of hillary and a sale of uranium even though multiple sources have said the sale was not even overseen by her
Now people want to know if sessions is being directed to investigate by the president. Something not supposed to happen
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/13/politics/wikileaks-donald-trump-jr-2016-election/index.html
I guess that doesn't strike anyone as just a bit inappropriate?
Of course, the explanation was. . .""Putting aside the question as to why or by whom such documents, provided to Congress under promises of confidentiality, have been selectively leaked, we can say with confidence that we have no concerns about these documents and any questions raised about them have been easily answered in the appropriate forum."
Or To Paraphrase "Well, lookie here at what those nasty and biased committees leaked: The filthy leakers: Lock 'em up."
They can't exactly call it fake news, because it's what Don Jr had been pressed to reveal from his own message history.
Please Rob M. Indict Don Jr soon.
Quote: beachbumbabs
They're reporting also that he was BANNED from the l
Gadsden mall because he was trolling for teens. Can you imagine?
Can I imagine? I can imagine that if a certain ex-president who took 26 rides on Epstein's "Lolita Express" to Rape Island were to run for office again, half the country would vote for him. There's no standards in this country. The US of Hypocrites.
Quote: bobbartopCan I imagine? I can imagine that if a certain ex-president who took 26 rides on Epstein's "Lolita Express" to Rape Island were to run for office again, half the country would vote for him. There's no standards in this country. The US of Hypocrites.
Deflection. Again. Your Modus Operandi.
Quote: bobbartopCan I imagine? I can imagine that if a certain ex-president who took 26 rides on Epstein's "Lolita Express" to Rape Island were to run for office again, half the country would vote for him. There's no standards in this country. The US of Hypocrites.
I thought we were talking about the current President.
Quote: rsactuaryDeflection. Again. Your Modus Operandi.
Look who's talking, the Deflection King. You could have just kept your mouth shut. You don't know me. Do you know me? Well? Do you? And I don't know Judge Roy Moore. But he's got to be a prince compared to The Rapist in Chief. Ask Seth Rich. Oops, no, can't do that.
And that's right, I did a "but-Clinton". So what. So fkg what. He's a rapist.
TWENTY-SIX flights with Epstein. I dunno, is Epstein even out of prison yet? I can't keep up with all the latest pervert news.
Do you have any daughters? Any young daughters? What if THEY were among the list of 12-year-olds procured for the pleasures of Epstein, Clinton, and his buddy Spacey.
Deflect this.
