Trump's Final 100 days

I don't understand the difference between paid attendance and the "turnstile attendance". Is the difference when people purchase a ticket but don't attend? Or is it where people leave & return (say, go to car to grab something)? Or people who purchase the games on something like NFL network?

Quote: RS

New reports showing Trump has a 100% approval rating.

No, I won't post my sources. Convenient.

#Trump2020

The internet is wonderful in that people will find things to support the bubble they want to live in. MaxPen wants to believe that the NFL is suffering from lower attendance due directly to black people kneeling in order to support the president's statements. So he makes a non-sequitor linkage and points to an observation of a single game to bolster his point.

The fact is the NFL is suffering from a poor product and spreading out its games too thinly. This nugget comes from analysts who have been studying the game for years. It is too early to gauge any measurable reaction to the president's statements and the player's reactions in terms of TV Ratings or attendance.

People should learn how to determine fact from fiction, to analyze sources, and to find the truth. It's an analytical skill that I find less and less people have. So they go to a bubble, read a story that they want to believe, and believe it without thinking about who wrote it or what their agenda is. On the internet, for some reason, people feel that they have to be right. There is no room for debate, no room for one to admit that someone else has a point -- Egos are huge and people have belief systems that have no wiggle room for change, either because they don't have the ability to introspect or they just want to believe what they want to believe and will take any nugget that they read as gospel.

Now as for me, you can say that I am wrong, and if I am, so be it. I'm human enough to admit it. I am actually aware enough to admit that Trump has his strengths just like Obama had his weaknesses. And while my political views are decidedly left (hell I'm Canadian) I wouldn't intentionally ruin my integrity and post fake crap or stupid memes to prove a point that can be easily refuted with simple research, like an attendance figure at a damned football game.

Other people seem not to care about their integrity. Good night, all.

Quote: RS

I don't understand the difference between paid attendance and the "turnstile attendance". Is the difference when people purchase a ticket but don't attend? Or is it where people leave & return (say, go to car to grab something)? Or people who purchase the games on something like NFL network?

It's when people buy a ticket and don't go. For example, if you are an MLB season ticket holder (or have a ticket to a sporting event) and decide not to go, MLB used to count you as "paid attendance" and included you in the published numbers. MLB counts people through the turnstile now as "attendance" since they now scan every ticket and have done so for years since they began accepting .pdf tickets.

Having not been to an NFL game I am not sure whether all 32 stadiums scan tickets and report the "turnstile" number or the "paid attendance" number. In any case, only one number is published.

A good story on the matter is here on Forbes.com. Note that NFL blackout rules have been suspended so ignore the NFL statements as they are no longer in force.

For many years, late 70s thru early 1980s, the NY Football Giants sold out every game, but there thousands of empty seats. Many long time season ticket holders simply renewed and waited for the team to improve.
The NFL peaked about ten years ago and the product and ratings have declined since. I suppose it fits a certain narrative to blame it on uppity blacks not knowing their place.

Turnstile count can also be higher than paid attendance. An example would be a midweek matinee in baseball when camps are invited in mass.

The NFL has been in decline for years. Has nothing to do with black players taking a knee.

Heck, even Donald agrees:

Quote: billryan

Has a sitting President ever called for a boycott of a legitimate American industry? What's this ass going to do next?
Restaurants are known for hiring illegals. Maybe he'll call for a boycott on them. Next time you go to eat, check out the kitchen. If the employees don't look right, go elsewhere.

You don't have to check the kitchen, just yell "INS, INS" and watch them run out the back door. Always fun with a few drinks in you.

And the restaurant issue could be solved with a serious E-Verify system and large penalty for hiring them. However that doesn't address the very real issue that many restaurants would not be able to staff properly without them. But that comes back to the welfare state we have created and a segment of the American population who just isn't employable.

Glad to see NASCAR hasn't sunk to the low level of the Kneeling's For Losers / Not-For-Long.

Quote: RS

Glad to see NASCAR hasn't sunk to the low level of the Kneeling's For Losers / Not-For-Long.

Richard Petty and Richard Childress made it clear where they stand. Damn racists!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/richard-petty-among-nascar-owners-saying-anthem-protests-will-get-employees-fired/

Seeing how much #TakeAKnee disturbs you righties shows just how powerful this peaceful protest is... it's kind of amazing.

Quote: billryan

The NFL peaked about ten years ago and the product and ratings have declined since. I suppose it fits a certain narrative to blame it on uppity blacks not knowing their place.

Probably about right on the timing. I started losing interest about 2012. Other things in life took over, but strangely other guys I knew were feeling the same way. Just not as amped up anymore.

But at the same time, the NFL decided it no longer wanted my business. How?

Goddell in particular but many others told Rush Limbaugh he was not welcome as a minority investor in the Rams. "Too divisive!" was the official line. False claims of "racism" by many others. This after Limbaugh was fired from ESPN for daring to tell the truth about the media and black QBs. ESPN is not the NFL, but it was the NFL attitude that helped make it happen.

Around the same time, Ben Roethlisberger gets a 6 game suspension for being accused of rape. Meanwhile, convicted felons get a 4 game suspension. Ben was never convicted. Rush was not allowed in because in part the NFL "had a reputation to protect." Felons who could not get a job at the casino sports book counter for that reason just have a 4 game suspension.

I stopped caring completely when my Steelers signed a QB who killed dogs for amusement. The fact that there were folks insinuating that such behavior was "black culture" was no help there. Since then I have had games on as background noise to take a nap or/and watched very, very rarely. Last year I did not tune in until Thanksgiving day and skipped the SB altogether. On track again this year.

Now you have the NFL caving to these guys with the anthem protests. Instead of telling these players to act like grown men and show the same respect athletes from other nations show for crying out loud, behavior gets excused and even encouraged. Trump to his credit called out their disrespect. The media gives their usual line of, "hey, they're black, how dare you criticize their behavior!"

Uppity blacks? No. Uppity media and uppity NFL? More so.

I was an early leaver. Look at the ratings, more are following. NFL does not want the business of the conservative, white male? We will find other things to do with our time.

Quote: ams288

Seeing how much #TakeAKnee disturbs you righties shows just how powerful this peaceful protest is... it's kind of amazing.

I am amazed they are not blaming Trump
This recent protest is all about Trump
Trump keeps his mouth or twitter shut, a few take a knee
Trump speaks, a ton take a knee
ROTFL

Its just a knee. Too funny Trump supporters having a cow over this. lol

Quote: terapined

I am amazed they are not blaming Trump
This recent protest is all about Trump
Trump keeps his mouth or twitter shut, a few take a knee
Trump speaks, a ton take a knee
ROTFL

Its just a knee. Too funny Trump supporters having a cow over this. lol

Not to mention that they seem to be forgetting Kaepernick started his protests while Obama was President. Has nothing to do with Donald... but as we know, in Donald's mind, everything is about Donald.

Quote: ams288

Seeing how much #TakeAKnee disturbs you righties shows just how powerful this peaceful protest is... it's kind of amazing.

Almost as amazing as how many of these protesters still believe Michael Brown was shot with his hands up saying Don't shoot.

Quote: RS

New reports showing Trump has a 100% approval rating.

They must've polled only his family.

Quote: ams288

Seeing how much #TakeAKnee disturbs you righties shows just how powerful this peaceful protest is... it's kind of amazing.

Even worse is how lefties cringe when they see a Confederate Flag used in an innocuous way, like on the General Lee or at a Southern Rock concert.

Quote: Boz

Almost as amazing as how many of these protesters still believe Michael Brown was shot with his hands up saying Don't shoot.

Boz is now a mind reader
ROTFL
Its about racism, not Michael Brown

Just so funny that conservatives snowflakes are having a cow over this
relax, take a knee :-)

Quote: AZDuffman

Even worse is how lefties cringe when they see a Confederate Flag used in an innocuous way, like on the General Lee or at a Southern Rock concert.

I went to tons of Southern Rock concerts
Never saw a confederate flag
Seen the Allman Brothers about 20 times in the south
Greatest southern rock band ever
Gregg Allman hated the confederate flag :-)

“Well, I was taught how to play music by these very, very kind older black men. My best friend in the world is a black man. If people are gonna look at that flag and think of it as representing slavery, then I say burn every one of them.�

Quote: RS

Glad to see NASCAR hasn't sunk to the low level of the Kneeling's For Losers / Not-For-Long.

Dale Earnhardt Jr supports the freedom to protest peacefully
http://deadstate.org/racing-legend-defies-nascar-owners-and-voices-support-for-nfl-protesters/

Are conservatives snowflakes or what
Chill
relax and take a knee :-)

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

They must've polled only his family.

Yeah right. No way Melania would approve of that nasty pig.

Quote: terapined

I went to tons of Southern Rock concerts
Never saw a confederate flag
Seen the Allman Brothers about 20 times in the south
Greatest southern rock band ever
Gregg Allman hated the confederate flag :-)

While I realize to you if you didn't see it personally it didn't or couldn't happen. But for those of us who listen to real music:



Just one example.

Quote: ams288

Yeah right. No way Melania would approve of that nasty pig.

Melanie is a transgender and a foreigner. Its vote doesn't count.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Melanie is a transgender and a foreigner. Its vote doesn't count.

Touche.

Quote: AZDuffman

While I realize to you if you didn't see it personally it didn't or couldn't happen. But for those of us who listen to real music:

WARNING MIGHT UPSET SNOWFLAKES

Just one example.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/21/entertainment/la-et-ms-lynyrd-skynrd-denounces-confederate-flag-angering-some-fans-20120920
the group's lone surviving original member, Gary Rossington, recently told CNN that the band, recognizing the stars-and-bars flag's offensive and racist undertones, will cease using it as a stage decoration at concerts supporting its new album "Last of a Dyin' Breed."
"Through the years, people like the KKK and skinheads kinda kidnapped the Dixie or Southern flag from its tradition and the heritage of the soldiers, that's what it was about," Rossington said. "We didn't want that  to go to our fans or show the image like we agreed with any of the race stuff or any of the bad things."

Quote: terapined

Just one example.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/21/entertainment/la-et-ms-lynyrd-skynrd-denounces-confederate-flag-angering-some-fans-20120920
the group's lone surviving original member, Gary Rossington, recently told CNN that the band, recognizing the stars-and-bars flag's offensive and racist undertones, will cease using it as a stage decoration at concerts supporting its new album "Last of a Dyin' Breed."
"Through the years, people like the KKK and skinheads kinda kidnapped the Dixie or Southern flag from its tradition and the heritage of the soldiers, that's what it was about," Rossington said. "We didn't want that  to go to our fans or show the image like we agreed with any of the race stuff or any of the bad things."

Like I told you, snowflakes can't handle it. Thanks for taking the trouble to prove my point. Again.

Quote: terapined

Dale Earnhardt Jr supports the freedom to protest peacefully
http://deadstate.org/racing-legend-defies-nascar-owners-and-voices-support-for-nfl-protesters/

Are conservatives snowflakes or what
Chill
relax and take a knee :-)

Of course it is suspected he has head injuries like many of the NFL players and is retiring because of it. May be affecting their common sense thought process.

Quote: terapined

Boz is now a mind reader
ROTFL
Its about racism, not Michael Brown

Just so funny that conservatives snowflakes are having a cow over this
relax, take a knee :-)

And what about all the NBA fools who wore the Hands Up Don't Shoot shirts in warmup? Don't remember any of them saying they were wrong when the facts came out?

Then again no one suspects the majority of these protesters to be headed to Apple to design the next IPhone either.

And it's always about racism when the left loses elections and feels threatened by the truth.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59c91704e4b0cdc77333078f?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


MSNBC's media darling before Crazy Bernie. One can only hope he ends up enjoying a foot long with Jared.

Ok time for the left to start wth the horror of making light of prison rape. Here is a great suggestion, don't end up there!

Quote: Boz

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59c91704e4b0cdc77333078f?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


MSNBC's media darling before Crazy Bernie.

Have you ever actually watched MSNBC?

I have. I can guarantee you Anthony Weiner was never their "media darling."

Quote: Boz

And what about all the NBA fools who wore the Hands Up Don't Shoot shirts in warmup? Don't remember any of them saying they were wrong when the facts came out?

Then again no one suspects the majority of these protesters to be headed to Apple to design the next IPhone either.

And it's always about racism when the left loses elections and feels threatened by the truth.

Chill out
Take a knee :-)

Quote: Boz

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59c91704e4b0cdc77333078f?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


MSNBC's media darling before Crazy Bernie.

????????????
WTF
That's like saying Al Franken was a foxnews media darling
ROTFL
try again Boz :-)

Quote: ams288

Have you ever actually watched MSNBC?

I have. I can guarantee you Anthony Weiner was never their "media darling."

Then you never watched the prime time line up in 2010-12 of Ed, Rach and Larry. They only turned after he got busted the first time with the famous Larry O'D interview.

Quote: terapined

????????????
WTF
That's like saying Al Franken was a foxnews media darling
ROTFL
try again Boz :-)

Leave Stuart Smalley out of this. Beacause I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.

Quote: Boz

Then you never watched the prime time line up in 2010-12 of Ed, Rach and Larry. They only turned after he got busted the first time with the famous Larry O'D interview.

Yes, libs turn on people who end up being sexual predators.

Righties elect them President.

Monica Lewinsky was the first to #TakeAKnee

Quote: RS

Monica Lewinsky was the first to #TakeAKnee

Respect for Bill. The last true Democratic President of the United States. He represented hard working Americans of every race and put them first. Sadly his party left him behind years ago, starting with Al Gore. And it has gotten worse from there. Look at any of the potential 2020 candidates and tell me a lie if you think they represent the average American worker.

I'll give the NFL players credit for actually protesting peacefully and not causing disruption in the streets.

Note: Might be "NSFW"-


I really hope they're all okay.

This is why Trump became president -- people like this teacher.

Quote: RS

I'll give the NFL players credit for actually protesting peacefully and not causing disruption in the streets

My problem with this is if i tried to protest on the clock i probably wouldn't have a job the next day.

Quote: Homelessnyc

My problem with this is if i tried to protest on the clock i probably wouldn't have a job the next day.

Then you simply don't provide enough value to your employer. When your value to a company exceeds your nuisance value, you keep your job. When it doesn't, you get replaced.

Quote: Homelessnyc

My problem with this is if i tried to protest on the clock i probably wouldn't have a job the next day.

Some things are more important than a job silly worker.

That why we have welfare, insurance subsidies for people smart enough like Billy, WIC for women unwilling to use BC and other malcontents living in Berkeley and San Francisco.

In regards to my book, Boz, it would be too much work and I have no inclination to give away experience drawn over thirty five plus years for $17.95. I might consider restarting my old newsletter, for $199 a year, provided I can get a couple of interns to do the actual work.

Quote: MaxPen

If anyone has been to a military funeral, LEO's or a Fireman's. Every casket is draped in the flag, the national anthem is played, then the folded flag is presented to the loved ones of the deceased. That flag is a physical representation of their sacrifice. And every time they hear the national anthem they are always thinking back to that funeral and their lost loved one.

Those kneeling during the national anthem, are spitting in the face of all those who have lost loved ones in the service of the country. No matter why they say they are doing it. And the team owners are just as complicit by allowing them to do it.

A decent opinion. Here's mine.

I've one American Flag, a burial flag. I'm the only one who's touched it since it was folded by the honor guard and presented to my grandmother. I preserved the thirteen folds even though half those folds mean nothing to me, and it currently sits atop my mantle with blue union showing as per protocol. To me, it represents my grandfather's purpose and serves a reminder of his sacrifices in the shit in WWII and Korea. In front of it sits a half dollar from 1974, the year Pops floated across the world on the USS America (CV-66). In front of that, a Fireman's Edition Henry repeater, in honor of my cousin who runs into fires for fun (and to save your family). And next to that, my S&W 442. I suppose it's a shrine, of sorts. A memorial. A reminder that I come from a long line of heroes that will get it done when done needs gettin'. That wall might be my most prized creation. Come to steal my TV and I'll just shoot ya. F#$% with that wall and you're getting tied in my basement for a couple weeks until I'm done with ya.

Thing is, I've had other American flags. I remember the latest. Just a Made in China piece of polyester on a nickel popsicle stick. It hung in my garage for a bit, and then it fell. I saw it fall. I let it fall. And dust fell on it, and overspray fell on it. Mice pissed on it, oil leaked on it, lithium grease smeared on it, and I let it sit. I saw it, I knew that despite its location of manufacture and despite its quality it meant something greater, and I let it sit. I let it become soiled and degraded and destroyed, and that didn't feel bad. And when I finally picked it up and looked at it, I had that thought. "This needs to be disposed of properly". A nice burning, perhaps, per protocol. I knew it did. But that's not what I did. I tossed it in the casual trash, with the egg shells and banana peels.

I did that because that's what felt right. Garbage goes with garbage, right? And what I see representing "America" is garbage. When we "ban Muslims" while giving free pass to the one Muslim who's done us the worst, that's garbage. When we spend the same amount to kill people across the globe as we do to heal our own, that's garbage. When we try to pretend that our soldier is near godly and is deserving of every bit of praise and acknowledgment only to toss em in a waiting line at the VA for all the damage they've taken, that's garbage. When serve and protect is removed from the citizen and bestowed upon the oligarchs, that's garbage. America 2017 is, IMO, a wretched cesspool of horseshit, and I'll not disrespect the walls in my home in such a manner.

That's what guys like (name redacted because i forgot who posted it) don't get about us non-voting types. I not only have the right to bitch, but I have the obligation. I don't give a rat's ass about foosball, about "God" in the Pledge and on our money, or wtf you do in your own GD bedroom. I don't even care all that much about Safety nets vs bootstraps, about privatized vs subsidized vs single payer, or any other hot button buzzword bulls#$% that's gonna distract us for this evening. What I care about are honor and integrity. I want a LEADER, someone who I can look to and be inspired by.

That's not what I see. I don't see anyone espousing the values I hold. I don't see Wall St in chains like they should be, I don't see GM falling into nothingness as it should be, I don't see equality in justice between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie as it should be, no. I see a rigged game with a bunch of c#$%s selling my and my son's future down the road, if they don't send him to some country of brown folk to kill first. I see no concern for government oversteppings such as no knocks, asset forfeitures, net neutrality, et al. For the love of G(g)od(s) all f#$%ing mighty, 30mm+ are facing loss of health coverage, we're 20mmmm in f#$%ing debt, our dips#$% retard presidon't is beating his chest with threats of nuclear f#$%ing war,..... but holy f#$% my sister, some brown folk are kneeling on TV!!!!111!

I respect the dogs@#$ out what what my grandpops did, and same goes for my father. I respect guys like Buzz who, though not in the s#$%, still offered his head for the opportunity. And you, and 1BB, and all you WoV'ers who stood when volunteers were asked. I respect the s#$% out of MichaelBluejay's crazy ass, cargo shipping himself across the world like a lunatic if only to follow his beliefs. I respect the balls off of Babs for entering a male dominant force and refusing to be ignored. In other words, I respect what is real. I respect action. I respect righteous action, virtuous action. And those are two words I can't remember uttering about America in far too long.

So I say "F#$% your flag", and I mean it. In a way, I feel as though I can empathize with the Buddhist. What was once my flag with a specific and special meaning has been co-opted and tarnished to where I can no longer stand by it. If Old Glory ever flies at my house, I see no other place for it than upside down, and under my Gadsden. I do not respect that which I find non-respectable. You, though, may hold your own opinion.

Quote: Face, some time ago

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

Quote: Boz

Some things are more important than a job silly worker.

That why we have welfare, insurance subsidies for people smart enough like Billy, WIC for women unwilling to use BC and other malcontents living in Berkeley and San Francisco.

We actually agree. Somethings are far more important than a job. That's why trump is filling his administration with fourth class hacks. Most qualified people have too much self respect to work for him.

Face,
That's what is great about America. Even green people get to make complete a complete ass of themselves. I disagree with almost everything you wrote, and pretty much anything you've posted since I joined, but understand your right to say it. Not respect it, which I don't, but I will defend your right to embarrass yourself.

Quote: billryan

Then you simply don't provide enough value to your employer. When your value to a company exceeds your nuisance value, you keep your job. When it doesn't, you get replaced.

I would love to live in your fanasty world.

Here in the real world there are company rules and policies that have to be followed. No matter how good you are at your job if you break them your gone.

Quote: billryan

Face,
That's what is great about America. Even green people get to make complete a complete ass of themselves. I disagree with almost everything you wrote, and pretty much anything you've posted since I joined, but understand your right to say it. Not respect it, which I don't, but I will defend your right to embarrass yourself.

Not embarrassed at all. Unless I misspelled something, but I'm usually pretty careful about that stuff.

If you wanna have it out, I'd be willing to hear what you think I should be embarrassed about. Or, even more interesting to me, what in my first 3,000 posts you found so disagreeable. I always thought I was quite amiable back in the day...

Quote: Homelessnyc

Here in the real world there are company rules and policies that have to be followed. No matter how good you are at your job if you break them your gone.

ROTFL
Yea if you work at Mcdonald's
If you work at Foxnews, sexual harassment rules are to be broken again and again and again
Company rules at Fox are meaningless lol

Depends on the company and what rule is broken.
My company works hard not to lose talent. Good people are really hard to replace

Quote: terapined

ROTFL
Yea if you work at Mcdonald's
If you work at Foxnews, sexual harassment rules are to be broken again and again and again
Company rules at Fox are meaningless lol

Depends on the company and what rule is broken.
My company works hard not to lose talent. Good people are really hard to replace

Start going to your job drunk, report back how that ends up

Quote: Homelessnyc

Start going to your job drunk, report back how that ends up

That probably wont get you fired at Fox
lol
I don't know what rule you have to break at Fox to get fired
Maybe after 10 sexual harassment complaints
9 and you are ok over there
ROTFL