WoV East, MidWest, Appalachia Get-Together
Quote: GWAEHas anyone ever had a dedicated table before? I am just wondering how it works and if we can keep outsiders off of the table. If we have 13 people and there is room for a few more then we can't keep others away, can we?
I have been to a few "private tables" before, but they have always been coordinated with an independent casino host. Usually there are minimum buy-in / action / higher min-bet requirements but I'm sure every casino runs things differently.
At the ones I have been at, the dealers put up reserved signs at any empty spots and stop anybody from trying to buy-in, unless the "leader" (Mission?) or majority of the table allowed it - generally meaning somebody who has been pre-approved. At one event they even put up ropes/stanchions but that didn't stop people from stepping over and trying to buy-in.
If Meadows just agreed to open a table without mentioning any kind of requirements, I doubt they would reserve it and would let anybody play, but who knows.
Quote: wudgedI have been to a few "private tables" before, but they have always been coordinated with an independent casino host. Usually there are minimum buy-in / action / higher min-bet requirements but I'm sure every casino runs things differently.
At the ones I have been at, the dealers put up reserved signs at any empty spots and stop anybody from trying to buy-in, unless the "leader" (Mission?) or majority of the table allowed it - generally meaning somebody who has been pre-approved. At one event they even put up ropes/stanchions but that didn't stop people from stepping over and trying to buy-in.
If Meadows just agreed to open a table without mentioning any kind of requirements, I doubt they would reserve it and would let anybody play, but who knows.
I'm going to call and get some more details tonight, for my part, I really don't have a problem with anyone who is not a WoV Member playing at our table and doubt they would hold a table for us in that sense.
The impression that I got from The Meadows is that they would usually have a Craps Table that would not be doing anything around this time, anyway, so they are just going to make sure we have one available for us to play.
Speaking of which, I need to know who will all be playing Craps to start, because that is something they wanted to know and has not been established yet. If I am not mistaken, it is at least:
Mission146
Teddys
AZDuffman
Mosca
OdiousGambit
MWalz9
RaleighCraps
GWAE
Wudged
Of course, that leaves a few spots at the table, so our chances of that being exclusive are pretty low. Is anyone else playing Craps?
Da Bet
I would say to OdiousGambit that it is his choice since he is putting up the Green chip, but I recommend we have two or three goes around the table and he who has the most consecutive Passes shall win, CO 7/11's count as a win but CO Craps not a loss. In the event of a tie, we pass the dice for a tie-breaker as necessary.
Dinner
We have one vote for the 4:00 hour (me) and one for the 5:00 hour (Mosca).
Quote: Mission146
Da Bet
I would say to OdiousGambit that it is his choice since he is putting up the Green chip
Call it the 'challenge', although side bets on the same matter will be entertained no doubt. I'll nail it down ahead of time. Glad to hear you can help out. Passes will count as you describe; when a shooter 7s-out, that hand is over. Shooters will have more chances during other hands. Of course, the dealers will identically observe when a particular hand is over.
Most number of passes, AND the most PSOs. Right in my wheel house. :-D
Quote: RaleighCrapsIf we count multiple trips around the table, I'd be looking for the craps double double.
Most number of passes, AND the most PSOs. Right in my wheel house. :-D
Whichever OdiousGambit prefers, of course, but I meant to suggest we have a couple of gos around the the table and whoever had the longest streak of consecutive wins in a hand, not the sum of all hands, and not counting Craps on the CO.
I talked to James, who is the scheduling manager there, and he has us down on the calendar for the second. Basically, what they are going to do is open another table at 1:00 and so they will have three tables open where they would usually have two. If you guys want to reschedule the initial meet and greet to 12:30 instead, then we can have all the formalities accomplished and ready to hit that table as soon as it opens.
He does not anticipate that the minimums would be higher than $5, but I am to call him tomorrow and make sure.
Dinner
AZDuffman has voted for, "Early," but I don't know if he means 5:00-hour or 4:00-hour.
OneNickelMiracle has voted for the 5:00 hour, so the voting is:
4:00-1
5:00-2
?-1 (AZDuffman)
Quote: Mission146Greetings!
I talked to James, who is the scheduling manager there, and he has us down on the calendar for the second. Basically, what they are going to do is open another table at 1:00 and so they will have three tables open where they would usually have two. If you guys want to reschedule the initial meet and greet to 12:30 instead, then we can have all the formalities accomplished and ready to hit that table as soon as it opens.
He does not anticipate that the minimums would be higher than $5, but I am to call him tomorrow and make sure.
Dinner
AZDuffman has voted for, "Early," but I don't know if he means 5:00-hour or 4:00-hour.
OneNickelMiracle has voted for the 5:00 hour, so the voting is:
4:00-1
5:00-2
?-1 (AZDuffman)
4:00
I talked to James, who is the scheduling manager there, and he has us down on the calendar for the second. Basically, what they are going to do is open another table at 1:00 and so they will have three tables open where they would usually have two. If you guys want to reschedule the initial meet and greet to 12:30 instead, then we can have all the formalities accomplished and ready to hit that table as soon as it opens.
He does not anticipate that the minimums would be higher than $5, but I am to call him tomorrow and make sure.
Dinner
The voting for time is:
4:00-2
5:00-2
I might change my dinner vote to 5:00, I'm going to bring some pens and paper for the trivia contest, so I might duck out of Craps a little early and get all of that set up and we can do the trivia contest while we wait for the food. I'll also want to go over to The Terrace ahead of time and make sure they arranged some seating for all of us to be situated near one another.
I'll probably be at the Craps table for two or three times around the table and then walk around and see what all the others are doing who chose not to play Craps, mingle, make sure to touch base with everyone individually, you know how that goes.
I just don't know how long you guys plan on playing Craps. I might have had a three-hour session before, but they'd have been few and far between. Seems like a long session.
Quote: Mission146Do we want to go ahead and have the initial meet-up at 12:30 in the food court instead to get to Craps by 1:00?
Sounds like a good idea.
Quote: Mission146I just don't know how long you guys plan on playing Craps. I might have had a three-hour session before, but they'd have been few and far between. Seems like a long session.
I've said before that reading about some of the intense Craps play that has been related at this site has made me wondering if I can "hang" with some of you guys. I expect there to be an adrenaline effect though. In fact, the uniqueness of this for me can hardly be understated. I am used to gambling 100% alone. 3 hours at one session would be the max to expect out of me.
Quote: Mission146I might change my dinner vote to 5:00
Wishy-washiness is never appreciated, but I am just going to leave this to other voters as I genuinely don't care.
Quote: Mission146Do we want to go ahead and have the initial meet-up at 12:30 in the food court instead to get to Craps by 1:00?
I am always among the first at any kind of meet like this so I vote "yes" to 12:30. Also if anyone needs tutoring/advice from a AAA-level craps dealer and wants to meet a bit before, say 11:30 or so please let me know. I am sure they would not mind us staying on the player side of a table while I explained it. Please ask via PM, we can discuss here but I prefer to confirm and detail via PMs.
Quote: GWAEI am completely self taught on craps and when people start talking about a few bets on here I am completely lost. I hope a few don't bettors show up and I hope they don't mind showing me what the hell they are doing.
You could get some Duffman tutoring but IMO the only bets worth making are very simple. The less you know about the complicated betting the better [as long as you stay away from it]. I might recognize what all the bets are but know very little about correct payoffs for most of them, for example.
If they are going to open the table at 1:00, we probably all want to be standing at the table before they start the open process. That way, we are guaranteed to get everyone who wants to play a spot, before others start filling in. And there will be others. Some of those at other tables who have been losing will decide to try their luck at the newly opened table.
I suspect we will lose a couple of players before 1 hour is up, and by the time 3 hours has passed, there will be less than 1/2 of us still at the table.
We will probably have a better dining experience by going early, before the main crowds start heading to dinner. I would expect 4:30 would still be a safe time before any dinner rush. And that would get us done around 6:00 PM or so, which would leave time for some to leave, or others to hit the floor again for a bit if desired
Quote: onenickelmiracleAny interest in a high limit slot pool? The other forum meets we buy shares at $25 per and play one machine and essentially do double or nothing. The two I've participated in we won and it was fun.
What limit are you talking? $5? $25?
Could we draw lots to see who's player card gets put in as well?
Yes and any machine within the limits of the bank roll, but for the entertainment, you want at least 5 minutes of play. Since a small group, I think there won't be much unless people buy in for more than one share. I'm thinking $10-15 max at this point bet wise. If a Handpay is generated, we let them keep 25 percent for taxes then divvy up.Quote: AZDuffmanWhat limit are you talking? $5? $25?
Could we draw lots to see who's player card gets put in as well?
Quote: odiousgambitYou could get some Duffman tutoring but IMO the only bets worth making are very simple. The less you know about the complicated betting the better [as long as you stay away from it]. I might recognize what all the bets are but know very little about correct payoffs for most of them, for example.
I tried reading about all of the bets but it is just not sinking in. Even basic things like when people say buy a number or lay a number. Generally when I play I play pass line, odds, and if I am winning I through $6 down and say -$6 on 6 or $6 on 8. All I know is if a 6 or 8 come up I win. I have no idea what I am supposed to win and I have no idea if I am actually laying or buying or what it is called.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYes and any machine within the limits of the bank roll, but for the entertainment, you want at least 5 minutes of play. Since a small group, I think there won't be much unless people buy in for more than one share. I'm thinking $10-15 max at this point bet wise. If a Handpay is generated, we let them keep 25 percent for taxes then divvy up.
I wouldn't mind doing this. I think $50 as my share is about my max though.
What type of machine? $5 WOF, or $1 9 line machine, or something else?
Quote: GWAE
I tried reading about all of the bets but it is just not sinking in. Even basic things like when people say buy a number or lay a number. Generally when I play I play pass line, odds, and if I am winning I through $6 down and say -$6 on 6 or $6 on 8. All I know is if a 6 or 8 come up I win. I have no idea what I am supposed to win and I have no idea if I am actually laying or buying or what it is called.
It is hard to get it to sink in without a table in front of you. As others said, there are really only a few bets you *need* to know. But you *should* know most of them.
That way you avoid looking like an idiot when you try to impress your girlfriend by telling me what bet I cannot remove and I slap you down with a one-line answer with the dealer backing me up. Not that some dude never tried that at the table.........lol
Quote: GWAEQuote: odiousgambitYou could get some Duffman tutoring but IMO the only bets worth making are very simple. The less you know about the complicated betting the better [as long as you stay away from it]. I might recognize what all the bets are but know very little about correct payoffs for most of them, for example.
I tried reading about all of the bets but it is just not sinking in. Even basic things like when people say buy a number or lay a number. Generally when I play I play pass line, odds, and if I am winning I through $6 down and say -$6 on 6 or $6 on 8. All I know is if a 6 or 8 come up I win. I have no idea what I am supposed to win and I have no idea if I am actually laying or buying or what it is called.
A quick craps 101
Place / Buy bets
You get to pick the number you want (4,5,6,8,9,10)
Place bet payouts
4&10 - pay 9:5 - you win $9 for every 5 you put on the number
5&9 - pay 7:5 - you win $7 for every 5 you put on the number
6&8 - pay 7:6 - you win $7 for every $6 you put on the number (this is why you have to bet 6&8 in multiples of $6).
Buy Bet
It is a Place bet, BUT, you pay the 5% vig and that lets you "buy" the true odds payout.
4&10 - pay 2:1 - So a $20 buy bet, costs you $1 extra, but you would win $40 (a Place bet would only win $36)
A LAY bet is the opposite side of a Buy bet. You are hoping a 7 rolls before the number you have "LAYED". It is calculated using True Odds.
LAY the 4 -- Pays 1:2 (you have the advantage. there are more ways to roll a 7 than 4, so you have to put up more money)
They will charge you a 5% vig on the amount you stand to win. In the case of a $50 LAY 4, you will have to pay $1 (5% of $25).
So you give the dealer $51 to "Lay the 4". IF a 7 rolls, you win $25. If a 4 rolls, you lost $51.
LAYing the other numbers is more math.
5&9 true odds are 2:3, so you have to lay 3 units to win 2, and you pay the 5% vig on the 2 unit potential win.
6&8 true odds are 5:6, so you have to lay 6 units to win 5.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is hard to get it to sink in without a table in front of you. As others said, there are really only a few bets you *need* to know. But you *should* know most of them.
That way you avoid looking like an idiot when you try to impress your girlfriend by telling me what bet I cannot remove and I slap you down with a one-line answer with the dealer backing me up. Not that some dude never tried that at the table.........lol
lol that happened to me last week. We took a ride down to the new casino in Nemacolin. We were only doing their slot promo so we didn't play any tables. When we were leaving I realized that I still needed a chip for my collection. I went to the craps table and bought in for $20 and kept a $1 chip. I decided to through the other $15 on the pass line. Well the problem with that is that there was already a point established. The dealer rudely pushed the bet back and said SIR THERE IS ALREADY A POINT ESTABLISHED. I put my tail between my legs and put the money on 6 and hard eight.
The next roll was a 6 and then 7 out. I took my money walked away.
Quote: GWAElol that happened to me last week. We took a ride down to the new casino in Nemacolin. We were only doing their slot promo so we didn't play any tables. When we were leaving I realized that I still needed a chip for my collection. I went to the craps table and bought in for $20 and kept a $1 chip. I decided to through the other $15 on the pass line. Well the problem with that is that there was already a point established. The dealer rudely pushed the bet back and said SIR THERE IS ALREADY A POINT ESTABLISHED. I put my tail between my legs and put the money on 6 and hard eight.
The next roll was a 6 and then 7 out. I took my money walked away.
Dealer should not have been rude, BUT he/she was actually doing you a favor.
You are allowed to put the money on the pass line after a point has been set, but it is a really BAD bet.
Here is why.
Let's say the point is set on a 5.
BAD PLay - You can walk up and put $20 on the PL. If a 5 rolls, you will win $20.
OR
Better Play - You walk up and PLACE bet $20 on the 5. If a 5 rolls, you get paid 7:5, which is $28. $8 more for the same $20 bet
Quote: RaleighCrapsYou are allowed to put the money on the pass line after a point has been set
Don't try it on the Don't Pass [maybe that's what gwae did?]
Quote: odiousgambitDon't try it on the Don't Pass [maybe that's what gwae did?]
I think most places don't allow put bets either, for whatever reason. In NJ, I believe they are not allowed by law.
Quote: GWAElol that happened to me last week. We took a ride down to the new casino in Nemacolin. We were only doing their slot promo so we didn't play any tables. When we were leaving I realized that I still needed a chip for my collection. I went to the craps table and bought in for $20 and kept a $1 chip. I decided to through the other $15 on the pass line. Well the problem with that is that there was already a point established. The dealer rudely pushed the bet back and said SIR THERE IS ALREADY A POINT ESTABLISHED. I put my tail between my legs and put the money on 6 and hard eight.
Nemacolin had a dealer massacre last fall, I would not expect many good dealers to stick around there if greener pastures could be found elsewhere. I never thought it was a good location.
Quote: GWAEI wouldn't mind doing this. I think $50 as my share is about my max though.
What type of machine? $5 WOF, or $1 9 line machine, or something else?
Ick. At -EV, too rich for my blood. I'll throw in $5.00.
Quote: odiousgambitDon't try it on the Don't Pass [maybe that's what gwae did?]
That would be correct. The reason for that is, on the come out roll, the Don't Pass line is at a distinct disadvantage. Once that bet gets past the come out roll, the advantage belongs to the player and his bet.
So, yes, the casino would be VERY upset if someone tried to bypass the come out part of the roll, and go straight to the advantage part of the bet.
And now you can call me Mr Obvious.
4:00- Three Votes
5:00- Two Votes
I have decided I am sticking with 4:00 vote, I'm a growing boy and I need my nutrition.
Quote: RaleighCrapsA quick craps 101
Place / Buy bets
You get to pick the number you want (4,5,6,8,9,10)
Place bet payouts
4&10 - pay 9:5 - you win $9 for every 5 you put on the number
5&9 - pay 7:5 - you win $7 for every 5 you put on the number
6&8 - pay 7:6 - you win $7 for every $6 you put on the number (this is why you have to bet 6&8 in multiples of $6).
Buy Bet
It is a Place bet, BUT, you pay the 5% vig and that lets you "buy" the true odds payout.
4&10 - pay 2:1 - So a $20 buy bet, costs you $1 extra, but you would win $40 (a Place bet would only win $36)
A LAY bet is the opposite side of a Buy bet. You are hoping a 7 rolls before the number you have "LAYED". It is calculated using True Odds.
LAY the 4 -- Pays 1:2 (you have the advantage. there are more ways to roll a 7 than 4, so you have to put up more money)
They will charge you a 5% vig on the amount you stand to win. In the case of a $50 LAY 4, you will have to pay $1 (5% of $25).
So you give the dealer $51 to "Lay the 4". IF a 7 rolls, you win $25. If a 4 rolls, you lost $51.
LAYing the other numbers is more math.
5&9 true odds are 2:3, so you have to lay 3 units to win 2, and you pay the 5% vig on the 2 unit potential win.
6&8 true odds are 5:6, so you have to lay 6 units to win 5.
OK, so anyone want to go play $ 5 blackjack instead ? The rules in PA are supposed to be pretty decent for the player, right ? I assume the VP there is not as good as the Blackjack in terms of House Edge. I've been collecting my WEBPASS points daily to get $ 10 at the restaurant. About 50 cents an hour for my time, but whatever.....
Quote: JohnnyQOK, so anyone want to go play $ 5 blackjack instead ? The rules in PA are supposed to be pretty decent for the player, right ? I assume the VP there is not as good as the Blackjack in terms of House Edge. I've been collecting my WEBPASS points daily to get $ 10 at the restaurant. About 50 cents an hour for my time, but whatever.....
I know a former NV dealer who insists PA machines are pull-tabs with a predetermined outcome. I have been unable to confirm or deny this.
Quote: AZDuffmanI know a former NV dealer who insists PA machines are pull-tabs with a predetermined outcome. I have been unable to confirm or deny this.
Isn't the way to confirm this to wait until you get dealt a paying hand, and then toss it and see what happens? (preferably at very low denominations -- like a 5c machine playing 1 coin at a time)
I will likely have the wife in tow, but she generally won't play craps (or anything else for that matter.)
My vote for dinner is the earliest possible (4:00) because I will need to make a long drive back home after.
The idea of a high limit slot pool sounds fun - I would probably be in for $25 or so. I also like the idea of the "challenge(s)" put forth regarding pass/don't winners.
GWAE, I think a few others here already offered to teach you, but I usually play the don'ts myself and know almost every bet/payout there is. As was already stated, it is much easier to learn when you have the layout and actual dice rolls in front of you.
Which place are you staying?Quote: RaleighCrapsI'm in for some slot pool as well. I booked a room an hour from the casino, so I will be staying until 11:00 PM or my money runs out.....
And one of the guys I wonder if I can hang in there with, judging by past endurance feats he has posted about.
