Discussion III about the Suspension List
July 19th, 2023 at 11:03:52 AM
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What if the "post" is a provable lie against or about another member? What is the remedy??
tuttigym
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So you think what I say about roulette is untrue and you can prove it? Go ahead, prove it.
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The post was NOT about you and roulette, EB. Being full of oneself is tough to overcome, but give it a try.
gordon888 the question remains. It should be addressed.
tuttigym
July 19th, 2023 at 11:03:55 AM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888We are allowed to say that we disagree with a post, or that we think that a post is wrong or mistaken or nonsense or drivel, etc. Saying that a post is a lie or "Your posts are lies" is stating that a person is intentionally lieing; there is no other possible interpretation.
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What if the "post" is a provable lie against or about another member? What is the remedy??
tuttigym
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There is at least one case in which someone called the other person a liar and Wizard asked the accuser to provide incontrovertible proof that the statement was a lie within one day; when the accuser failed to do that he was suspended.
This was in a case in which the claimed lie was about something that could be proven or disproven by information on hand such as
A: "I never posted in this forum that you are a fool"
B: "Thats a lie"
A: I won over $1 million in this years WSOP main event.
B: You're a liar.
Stating: "Your posts are lies" fails to meet the "provable/disprovable with existing information" test. And remember that it is possible for someone to be cognitively impaired and confused, but not be a liar.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
July 19th, 2023 at 11:10:53 AM
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Quote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888We are allowed to say that we disagree with a post, or that we think that a post is wrong or mistaken or nonsense or drivel, etc. Saying that a post is a lie or "Your posts are lies" is stating that a person is intentionally lieing; there is no other possible interpretation.
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What if the "post" is a provable lie against or about another member? What is the remedy??
tuttigym
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There is at least one case in which someone called the other person a liar and Wizard asked the accuser to provide incontrovertible proof that the statement was a lie within one day; when the accuser failed to do that he was suspended.
This was in a case in which the claimed lie was about something that could be proven or disproven by information on hand such as
A: "I never posted in this forum that you are a fool"
B: "Thats a lie"
A: I won over $1 million in this years WSOP main event.
B: You're a liar.
Stating: "Your posts are lies" fails to meet the "provable/disprovable with existing information" test. And remember that it is possible for someone to be cognitively impaired and confused, but not be a liar.
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So, EB posts that ALL charities are "corrupt" is not a lie? How about accusing a forum member of theft? Take off the blinders.
tuttigym
July 19th, 2023 at 11:20:07 AM
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So, EB posts that ALL charities are "corrupt" is not a lie? How about accusing a forum member of theft? Take off the blinders.
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The charity's comment was hyperbole, it was exaggerating to make a point. Most Charities are in fact corrupt. I don't remember accusing somebody of theft, unless you mean Axel and his so-called AP moves. When you buy something with the intention of using it and taking it back, yes, that's a form of theft. What else would you call it, when you borrow something without the permission of the owner that's theft. Try asking a merchant if you can do that and see what they tell you.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 19th, 2023 at 11:32:49 AM
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So, EB posts that ALL charities are "corrupt" is not a lie? How about accusing a forum member of theft? Take off the blinders.
tuttigym
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The charity's comment was hyperbole, it was exaggerating to make a point. Most Charities are in fact corrupt. I don't remember accusing somebody of theft, unless you mean Axel and his so-called AP moves. When you buy something with the intention of using it and taking it back, yes, that's a form of theft. What else would you call it, when you borrow something without the permission of the owner that's theft. Try asking a merchant if you can do that and see what they tell you.
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The merchants OPINION is it's theft.
Your OPINION is it's theft.
It's not a crime. Theft is a crime. Therefore returning items isn't a theft.
Provable Logic as opposed to opinion says it's not theft.
Try again.
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Theft is a crime. Show the criminal statute violated and reportable for returning items per a merchants policy. If you can't then it's not theft.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 19th, 2023 at 11:34:00 AM
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So, EB posts that ALL charities are "corrupt" is not a lie? How about accusing a forum member of theft? Take off the blinders.
tuttigym
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Posting that all charities are corrupt is not a personal insult made to a forum member, it is an opinion.
Regarding accusing a forum member of theft: If you feel a sense of grievance then please send me a link to a specific post that you feel was problematic and I will review it. I would prefer that you do this by PM to me.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
July 19th, 2023 at 11:39:54 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
So, EB posts that ALL charities are "corrupt" is not a lie? How about accusing a forum member of theft? Take off the blinders.
tuttigym
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The charity's comment was hyperbole, it was exaggerating to make a point. Most Charities are in fact corrupt. I don't remember accusing somebody of theft, unless you mean Axel and his so-called AP moves. When you buy something with the intention of using it and taking it back, yes, that's a form of theft. What else would you call it, when you borrow something without the permission of the owner that's theft. Try asking a merchant if you can do that and see what they tell you.
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The merchants OPINION is it's theft.
Your OPINION is it's theft.
It's not a crime. Theft is a crime. Therefore returning items isn't a theft.
Provable Logic as opposed to opinion says it's not theft.
Try again.
Put another way
Theft is a crime. Show the criminal statute violated and reportable for returning items per a merchants policy. If you can't then it's not theft.
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But all theft is not a crime, that is incorrect. If I'm a comedian and I steal your joke, that's theft but it's not a crime. There are a hundred such examples. Borrowing something from a merchant with the intent of bringing it back is theft. Not criminal theft, but theft it is. I remember in the seventies when everybody was stealing HBO for free and it was not a crime yet, but it was still theft. Theft of service.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 19th, 2023 at 1:52:37 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
So, EB posts that ALL charities are "corrupt" is not a lie? How about accusing a forum member of theft? Take off the blinders.
tuttigym
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The charity's comment was hyperbole, it was exaggerating to make a point. Most Charities are in fact corrupt. I don't remember accusing somebody of theft, unless you mean Axel and his so-called AP moves. When you buy something with the intention of using it and taking it back, yes, that's a form of theft. What else would you call it, when you borrow something without the permission of the owner that's theft. Try asking a merchant if you can do that and see what they tell you.
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The merchants OPINION is it's theft.
Your OPINION is it's theft.
It's not a crime. Theft is a crime. Therefore returning items isn't a theft.
Provable Logic as opposed to opinion says it's not theft.
Try again.
Put another way
Theft is a crime. Show the criminal statute violated and reportable for returning items per a merchants policy. If you can't then it's not theft.
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But all theft is not a crime, that is incorrect. If I'm a comedian and I steal your joke, that's theft but it's not a crime. There are a hundred such examples. Borrowing something from a merchant with the intent of bringing it back is theft. Not criminal theft, but theft it is. I remember in the seventies when everybody was stealing HBO for free and it was not a crime yet, but it was still theft. Theft of service.
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An unprovable representation.
If a comedian actually copyrighted his material and you stole it yes he could seek redress under the law so not certain what you are even talking about.
People often "drown in sorrow". Next you will be arguing sorrow is a form of death caused by lungs filling with fluid.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 20th, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 20th, 2023 at 2:00:15 PM
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I believe the idea of closing a thread for a day if a poster in it gets suspended for insults is ridiculous.
When people get involved enough to insult then the issue draws eyeballs to the screen, and ain't that what the owners REALLY want?
When people get involved enough to insult then the issue draws eyeballs to the screen, and ain't that what the owners REALLY want?
"What, me worry?"
July 25th, 2023 at 6:18:07 PM
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So Gordon, this deal you offered V, are you setting a precedent? Do we all get this choice before we get suspended? I didn't get any choices when I got suspended last week.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 25th, 2023 at 9:01:11 PM
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Quote: EvenBobSo Gordon, this deal you offered V, are you setting a precedent? Do we all get this choice before we get suspended? I didn't get any choices when I got suspended last week.
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I am trying different approaches and evaluating to see what works. I basically want the insults to stop on that thread.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
July 25th, 2023 at 10:45:47 PM
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In 1988, a new road was built thru a park in NYC. The day it was opened, a car didn't negotiate a curve, and two people were killed. In under a month, there were several serious accidents. The powers that be tried changing the speed limit, put up extra signs, painted lanes on the road to help, but accidents kept happening.
Finally, someone with some common sense realized the problem wasn't the speed limit or the signs. The problem was the road itself.
They closed the almost new road and made it a bike path.
Sometimes, that turd by the side of the road is simply a turd, and trying to make it anything else is an exercise in futility.
Finally, someone with some common sense realized the problem wasn't the speed limit or the signs. The problem was the road itself.
They closed the almost new road and made it a bike path.
Sometimes, that turd by the side of the road is simply a turd, and trying to make it anything else is an exercise in futility.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
July 26th, 2023 at 1:43:45 AM
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the world famous thread has now been active for over 13 years
here is the over/under on it continuing par for the course 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙛𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨
over _______- 420
under______+ 290
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the world famous thread has now been active for over 13 years
here is the over/under on it continuing par for the course 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙛𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨
over _______- 420
under______+ 290
.
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Please don't feed the trolls
July 26th, 2023 at 2:35:30 AM
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if it keeps going for 6 weeks, will that be proof that the thread has is beaten and will continue forever?Quote: lilredrooster.
the world famous thread has now been active for over 13 years
here is the over/under on it continuing par for the course 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙛𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨
over _______- 420
under______+ 290
.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 10:54:46 AM
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I plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 11:34:21 AM
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Quote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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I think we should wait for the next election and see if he's pardoned.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
July 31st, 2023 at 11:39:04 AM
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You've got to illegally pay off porn stars for your re-election campaign first, and EvenBob just alluded to subways in NYC being surreal. #FakeCharges
July 31st, 2023 at 11:45:34 AM
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Quote: ChumpChangeYou've got to illegally pay off porn stars for your re-election campaign first, and EvenBob just alluded to subways in NYC being surreal. #FakeCharges
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I can attest that NYC subways can be both surreal and so real!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 31st, 2023 at 12:02:27 PM
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I don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 31st, 2023 at 12:11:28 PM
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He or We could be dead of old age by then..Quote: rxwineQuote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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I think we should wait for the next election and see if he's pardoned.
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It's an idea, though.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:18:29 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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I'm in two minds on this idea. It would be churlish of us to 'pick on' Evenbob while he's suspended. But equally it's not his thread and why should the topic itself be suspended along with him. His being silenced is part of his penalty, not ours'
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:29:36 PM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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I'm in two minds on this idea. It would be churlish of us to 'pick on' Evenbob while he's suspended. But equally it's not his thread and why should the topic itself be suspended along with him. His being silenced is part of his penalty, not ours'
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I think our penalty was contributing for 13 years to that thread in circular logic.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 31st, 2023 at 12:41:03 PM
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Good point. We none of us contributed much. The whole thread could have proceeded as ...Quote: darkozQuote: OnceDearQuote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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I'm in two minds on this idea. It would be churlish of us to 'pick on' Evenbob while he's suspended. But equally it's not his thread and why should the topic itself be suspended along with him. His being silenced is part of his penalty, not ours'
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I think our penalty was contributing for 13 years to that thread in circular logic.
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"Can Roulette be Beaten? Why do people say it can't when I beat it every day?"
"No! Because it can't. You don't!"
"No! Because it can't. You don't!"
"No! Because it can't. You don't!"
"No! Because it can't. You don't!"
"No! Because it can't. You don't!"
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:44:45 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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The nominal topic of the thread did not seem to be under discussion.
The thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
If you want to PM me about why your answer to "Can roulette be beaten?" is other than "No", you have my address.
May the cards fall in your favor.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:48:46 PM
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Please keep the thread closed for a week. I will be in the desert for the week anyway consuming large quantities of mescaline. Hopefully, EB's last few posts will start to make sense to me by the time I come back.Quote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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This forum is more enjoyable after I learned how to use the 'Block this user' button.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:49:19 PM
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I enjoyed your use of the word "indecorum."
July 31st, 2023 at 12:49:20 PM
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I enjoyed your use of the word "indecorum."
July 31st, 2023 at 12:54:45 PM
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I think that thread should only be opened back up if EB can show evidence he even actually plays roulette to begin with. So far the only evidence of any kind we've seen from him is an error screen showing him NOT betting.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:56:45 PM
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Quote: MentalPlease keep the thread closed for a week. I will be in the desert for the week anyway consuming large quantities of mescaline. Hopefully, EB's last few posts will start to make sense to me by the time I come back.Quote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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"Mescaline or mescalin is a naturally occurring psychedelic protoalkaloid of the substituted phenethylamine class, known for its hallucinogenic effects comparable to those of LSD and psilocybin"
I see what you did there.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 12:59:36 PM
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I'm looking forward to reading more about his 86ing. Failing that, some food photos from his family weekend,Quote: TigerWuI think that thread should only be opened back up if EB can show evidence he even actually plays roulette to begin with. So far the only evidence of any kind we've seen from him is an error screen showing him NOT betting.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 31st, 2023 at 1:02:06 PM
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Quote: TigerWuI think that thread should only be opened back up if EB can show evidence he even actually plays roulette to begin with. So far the only evidence of any kind we've seen from him is an error screen showing him NOT betting.
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For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 31st, 2023 at 1:04:59 PM
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Quote: DieterThe thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
"Little of value?"
What price knee-slapping laughter?
I've noticed a dearth of good comedians these days: EB helps fill the void.
"What, me worry?"
July 31st, 2023 at 1:16:10 PM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
the world famous thread has now been active for over 13 years
here is the over/under on it continuing par for the course 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙛𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨
over _______- 420
under______+ 290
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Gotta take the under. The Wizard retires in two years, three years tops. You have to figure a transfer of power like that will come with some big changes.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
July 31st, 2023 at 1:22:41 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: DieterThe thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
"Little of value?"
What price knee-slapping laughter?
I've noticed a dearth of good comedians these days: EB helps fill the void.
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How knee-slapping can the laughter be without both protagonist and antagonist on stage?
May the cards fall in your favor.
July 31st, 2023 at 1:49:19 PM
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Quote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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If people were not suspended for calling me, a biological male, "she" then why did EB get suspended for what did not even seem an insult?
My sig says it all.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 31st, 2023 at 2:02:29 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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If people were not suspended for calling me, a biological male, "she" then why did EB get suspended for what did not even seem an insult?
My sig says it all.
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Is misgendering someone an insult?
July 31st, 2023 at 2:08:55 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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If people were not suspended for calling me, a biological male, "she" then why did EB get suspended for what did not even seem an insult?
My sig says it all.
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It was clear to me it was an insult.
But it was one of those insider insults. It was a reference to prior discussion on this forum. But for those in the know it was obvious enough.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 31st, 2023 at 2:49:57 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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If people were not suspended for calling me, a biological male, "she" then why did EB get suspended for what did not even seem an insult?
My sig says it all.
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Is misgendering someone an insult?
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Only if it is actual biological.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 31st, 2023 at 2:55:12 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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If people were not suspended for calling me, a biological male, "she" then why did EB get suspended for what did not even seem an insult?
My sig says it all.
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My guess is because you have said many times on both here and DT that misgendering (even if intentional) is not an insult, and penalties for such by private companies against members are a sign of insane corporate overreach?
It actually sounds like a pretty consistent interpretation of the rules based on your own logic.
July 31st, 2023 at 2:56:37 PM
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wait.. what?!Quote: GialmereGotta take the under. The Wizard retires in two years, three years tops. You have to figure a transfer of power like that will come with some big changes.
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why is he quitting??
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 31st, 2023 at 2:57:14 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDearI plead for compassion, clemency and an early release for EvenBob and a reopening of his thread. Because.....
No. Sorry, no reason. It's just that I miss him so bad.
I'll be good. Scouts honour.
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If people were not suspended for calling me, a biological male, "she" then why did EB get suspended for what did not even seem an insult?
My sig says it all.
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Is misgendering someone an insult?
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Only if it is actual biological.
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pfffff LOL!
July 31st, 2023 at 3:10:37 PM
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Quote: Gandler
My guess is because you have said many times on both here and DT that misgendering (even if intentional) is not an insult, and penalties for such by private companies against members are a sign of insane corporate overreach?
It actually sounds like a pretty consistent interpretation of the rules based on your own logic.
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If a person is biological male you call him "he."
If they are biological female you call her "she."
This is taught in first grade in the USA.
Anything else is not "misgendering."
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 31st, 2023 at 3:29:22 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: Gandler
My guess is because you have said many times on both here and DT that misgendering (even if intentional) is not an insult, and penalties for such by private companies against members are a sign of insane corporate overreach?
It actually sounds like a pretty consistent interpretation of the rules based on your own logic.
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If a person is biological male you call him "he."
If they are biological female you call her "she."
This is taught in first grade in the USA.
Anything else is not "misgendering."
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It precisely is, this is the internet, nobody here can verify your gender, even those who met you cannot say with certainty your gender.
If you want people to be punished for not addressing you with your pronouns of choice, you are by definition supporting a misgendering enforcement policy on the forum.
Personally, I would never do that to you or anyone (nor am I honestly familiar with the incident referenced), because I believe in respecting somebody's stated gender identity. But, I am just saying you cannot have it both ways.
This is the internet, I could tell you I am a male, and even those who have met me would say I am probably a male, but nobody here has known me thoroughly enough (as it were) to attest to that. So, we are all operating on surface level identity (for the vast majority of people it is only the gender stated in their profile that we know -and my historic complaint stands that there is not a third option-, and most people do not even bother to fill this, so my default on here is to assume that everyone is a male until told otherwise, only because that is a safe bet on this site. And, once told otherwise I immediately abide by their wishes, I don't ask to see a DNA sample to prove their genetic makeup.)
If you want mods to enforce rules against people for misgendering you (again I do not know the context) but want to blatantly misgender people who you feel do not understand their own biology properly, it is a double standard. You are saying that your offense is more meaningful than the offense felt by others who are not properly understanding their mind/bodies.
July 31st, 2023 at 3:38:20 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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The nominal topic of the thread did not seem to be under discussion.
The thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
If you want to PM me about why your answer to "Can roulette be beaten?" is other than "No", you have my address.
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I don't understand this. The thread has devolved to the point that only EBs presence allows it to be open? Without EB, the thread has no value? No EB, the subject has no value. Add EB and the thread has value. LIke I said, I don't get it.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
July 31st, 2023 at 3:38:44 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: Gandler
My guess is because you have said many times on both here and DT that misgendering (even if intentional) is not an insult, and penalties for such by private companies against members are a sign of insane corporate overreach?
It actually sounds like a pretty consistent interpretation of the rules based on your own logic.
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If a person is biological male you call him "he."
If they are biological female you call her "she."
This is taught in first grade in the USA.
Anything else is not "misgendering."
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Those are not the rules of this forum.
I'm not going to even get into how socially inept it is to insist on insulting someone because of personal homophobia.
Truth is not a defense to insulting someone. It's been long established on this forum.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 31st, 2023 at 3:51:25 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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The nominal topic of the thread did not seem to be under discussion.
The thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
If you want to PM me about why your answer to "Can roulette be beaten?" is other than "No", you have my address.
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I don't understand this. The thread has devolved to the point that only EBs presence allows it to be open? Without EB, the thread has no value? No EB, the subject has no value. Add EB and the thread has value. LIke I said, I don't get it.
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Debate generally requires speakers "for" and "against".
I'm waiting for a replacement speaker on the "for" side.
May the cards fall in your favor.
July 31st, 2023 at 4:04:27 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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The nominal topic of the thread did not seem to be under discussion.
The thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
If you want to PM me about why your answer to "Can roulette be beaten?" is other than "No", you have my address.
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I don't understand this. The thread has devolved to the point that only EBs presence allows it to be open? Without EB, the thread has no value? No EB, the subject has no value. Add EB and the thread has value. LIke I said, I don't get it.
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Debate generally requires speakers "for" and "against".
I'm waiting for a replacement speaker on the "for" side.
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I'm available. 😁
July 31st, 2023 at 4:07:49 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: Gandler
My guess is because you have said many times on both here and DT that misgendering (even if intentional) is not an insult, and penalties for such by private companies against members are a sign of insane corporate overreach?
It actually sounds like a pretty consistent interpretation of the rules based on your own logic.
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If a person is biological male you call him "he."
If they are biological female you call her "she."
This is taught in first grade in the USA.
Anything else is not "misgendering."
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Those are not the rules of this forum.
I'm not going to even get into how socially inept it is to insist on insulting someone because of personal homophobia.
Truth is not a defense to insulting someone. It's been long established on this forum.
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I thanked the offending post had no clue it was an insult pointed at you, let it be known I'm not
down with that.
July 31st, 2023 at 4:08:41 PM
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Quote: rainmanQuote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfI don't have much time but i wanted to say this...Quote: gordonm888
A thread should not be close just because a member has been suspended. Why should we be punished because is suspended. Its not his thread just because he started it. You shouldn't tell people not to talk about or discuss Bob just because he suspended(obviously normally forum rules still apply.) That's like he's not even suspended. We shouldn't be on pause just because he is suspended. This is a slippery slope and it seems like a first. More special treatment?
That is NOT HIS personal thread just because h3 started it.
He can come back and catch up is he wishes, that's part of the punishment for being suspended.
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The nominal topic of the thread did not seem to be under discussion.
The thread had seemingly devolved into indecorum, with little of value being lost while it is closed.
If you want to PM me about why your answer to "Can roulette be beaten?" is other than "No", you have my address.
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I don't understand this. The thread has devolved to the point that only EBs presence allows it to be open? Without EB, the thread has no value? No EB, the subject has no value. Add EB and the thread has value. LIke I said, I don't get it.
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Debate generally requires speakers "for" and "against".
I'm waiting for a replacement speaker on the "for" side.
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I'm available. 😁
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As I've said, PM's are open.
May the cards fall in your favor.
