TigerWu
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June 5th, 2017 at 2:28:34 PM permalink
You can sometimes find pai gow practice card decks on ebay, such as this one:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=pai+gow+cards&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xpai+gow+practice+deck.TRS0&_nkw=pai+gow+practice+deck&_sacat=0

Also if you search for a game called "Domino 32" it's some weird card game that uses pai gow tile playing cards. For example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAI-GOW-games-with-DOMINO-32-/120597675340?hash=item1c142e7d4c:m:msPNlRHZt23gkSEthvOol3A

Nothing beats real tiles, of course, but those card decks are a fraction of the price of a set of tiles, and I can see them coming in handy if you want to practice on the plane on your way to the casino or something.
Ayecarumba
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June 5th, 2017 at 3:46:20 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

...I agree it's worth getting a set of tiles. This is the exact set I bought, though it's on ebay. Mine came from spinetti's directly. They are exactly the tiles the Vegas casinos use...



Are the "Casino Used" sets all scored on the back? Are these marks so prominent that you can identify individual tiles?
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June 5th, 2017 at 3:56:32 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Are the "Casino Used" sets all scored on the back? Are these marks so prominent that you can identify individual tiles?



No. The tiles are well made and they look about equally worn. I've noticed the MGM logo in the game there seems have varying degrees of wear but I've never thought to exploit it.
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TigerWu
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June 5th, 2017 at 4:03:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Are the "Casino Used" sets all scored on the back? Are these marks so prominent that you can identify individual tiles?



I've seen some casino used tiles with a giant scratch on the back of each one. The set I have is from the Mohegan Sun, and the ends have a small divot drilled in them. It's not a problem if you're just buying a set to practice with or play with friends, but in answer to your question, yes, the cancellation marks are prominent enough (at least on my set) that you could probably exploit them in some way.
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June 6th, 2017 at 4:11:06 AM permalink
The Mandalay Bay set I bought has the cancellation marks on the face, so the set can be enjoyed without tells. Not very obvious drills, either (though good enough to be seen if you tried something sneaky with one).
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June 6th, 2017 at 1:59:12 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

(though good enough to be seen if you tried something sneaky with one).

I'd never have the courage to try something sneaky in a casino. Particularly at a game in which I already stand out for not being Asian.

"... Pai Gow Tiles is just on the edge of my grasp, can flounder through it with a base understanding of a set of rules, but with no finesse. That's how hard it is."
I think that is a good enough grasp for you to play it. How much finesse do you need with so many 'pushes'? You will already impress everyone with your being knowledgeable but not Asian, you won't be delaying the game in any way so go play for real and see if any finesse develops..
TigerWu
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June 8th, 2017 at 7:57:16 AM permalink
I've read in a few Pai Gow rulesets that a player can "surrender" their hand AFTER the dealer has set their hand. In such an instance, the dealer takes the player's tiles and discards them WITHOUT exposing them, and the player loses his wager.

What on Earth is the point of that? Why not just let the hand play out in case you or the dealer has made a mistake? I just don't see the advantage to it at all.
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June 14th, 2017 at 5:14:08 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I've read in a few Pai Gow rulesets that a player can "surrender" their hand AFTER the dealer has set their hand. In such an instance, the dealer takes the player's tiles and discards them WITHOUT exposing them, and the player loses his wager.

What on Earth is the point of that? Why not just let the hand play out in case you or the dealer has made a mistake? I just don't see the advantage to it at all.


It just speeds up the game a little. It's not something you need to do. I will do it if I've got 2/3 and the dealer makes 7/9: there's not much point in making the dealer expose my losing hand, I already know it's lost. If you're prone to making mistakes, or still learning the game, I wouldn't recommend it.

In Vegas, when you split your tiles, you put the two stacks side by side. To surrender you just mess your tiles up, such as pushing the top two tiles off.

On the east coast, when you split your tiles, you must place them perpendicular to each other in a "T" shape. To surrender, you slide one of the stacks toward the other so that they are both side-by-side (just like a regular Vegas split).

If you do the "T" split in Vegas, they'll look at you funny and tell you not to do that. But if you split your tiles Vegas-style on the east coast, you are surrendering.
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June 15th, 2017 at 1:24:31 AM permalink
I ran into an interesting hand playing Tiles a couple days ago. If I'm looking at it right, it seems like a typical house way gives the optimal play, JB simple gives the second best play and JB advanced gives the third best. The hand is L2, L4, 9, L8. Has anyone else come across this particular deal before?

House way -> 2/Wong

JB Simple -> 6/7
(Play the best low hand if it is worth 6 or 7 points and the tiles include a low-2 and/or high-8.)

JB Advanced -> 3/Gong
(Play a Low 8 Gong whenever possible, except when you also have a High 8 and cannot use it to make a low hand of 7 or better. If given a choice between 2 and 12, play the 12 in the high hand.)

Possibly a rare exception that just has to be memorized?
LuckyPhow
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June 15th, 2017 at 6:06:07 AM permalink
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My simple strategy outperforms the house way. Try to unlearn the house way, as it's not very powerful.



I went looking for your strategy, but it somehow eluded me. Where do I go to find your simple strategy?

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