TigerWu
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June 5th, 2017 at 9:43:40 AM permalink
If you look in an Asian market, a lot of times the tiles will come in an unmarked case or a case with Chinese writing on it, so you might not even notice it. But usually there's a "game" section, with go stones, playing cards, and maj jong sets, and if they have dominoes that's where they'll be. I would recommend getting a used casino set off of ebay, since tiles come in slightly different sizes, and if you get a used casino set then you'll have an exact feel for the tiles they use. This is especially crucial if you plan on reading the tiles with your fingers. I have a casino-used set and some random home-use set I got in a Chinatown, and the Chinatown ones just feel weird to play with after using the casino ones for so long. I honestly found it hard to concentrate on what I was doing. I also used to have a "mini" set where the tiles were the size of small Western dominos, and they were almost un-play-with-able after I got a "real" set of tiles. Pai Gow is such a tactile game that in my opinion the kind of tile you practice with is absolutely vital.

Also, make sure you practice setting up different delivery styles, so when you bank in a casino you don't look like a clumsy oaf when the dealer pushes the woodpile in front of you. Remember, the more complicated the delivery style, the longer it takes to deal the tiles, which slows the game down, which saves you money!! :D
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June 5th, 2017 at 11:21:38 AM permalink
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1) H8, H6, L6, L8


In the All Other section:
- The best low hand is 4 points, so part 1 doesn't apply
- The best high hand is 6 points, so part 2 doesn't apply
- The best high hand is 6 with H8, so part 3 doesn't apply
- So part 4 applies, setting it as 2/6, whereas optimal strategy is 4/4 (with H6 and H8 separated). This is the tradeoff with a simple strategy, it's not always right.


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2) H2, L2, L6, L10


In the All Other section:
- The best low hand is 4 points, so part 1 doesn't apply
- The best high hand is 8 points, so part 2 doesn't apply
- The best high hand is 8 points, so part 3 doesn't apply
- So part 4 applies, the best high hand, 2/high 8 (H2 in high hand), which is also the optimal play.


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3) L2, H10, H4, 11


In the All Other section:
- The best low hand is 3 points, so part 1 doesn't apply
- The best high hand is 6 points, so part 2 doesn't apply
- The best high hand is 6 with L2, so part 3 doesn't apply
- So part 4 applies, setting it as 1/6, which is also the optimal play.
Ibeatyouraces
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June 5th, 2017 at 11:39:04 AM permalink
I'm not a tiles player, but shouldn't you just treat this like video poker? You're dealt a specific hand and there is only one correct way to play it.
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June 5th, 2017 at 11:50:35 AM permalink
Of course, but as with video poker, the optimal strategy for the entire game is so complex that there will be many exceptions to any set of rules you come up with in an effort to describe it.

Optimal strategy for tiles is like the optimal strategy for One-Eyed Jacks, on a smaller scale.
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June 5th, 2017 at 12:00:56 PM permalink
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Of course, but as with video poker, the optimal strategy for the entire game is so complex that there will be many exceptions to any set of rules you come up with in an effort to describe it.

Optimal strategy for tiles is like the optimal strategy for One-Eyed Jacks, on a smaller scale.


I understand that. Shouldn't be to hard with only four tiles, correct? I mean, it doesn't have a payscale like VP. But then again, what do I know.
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June 5th, 2017 at 12:12:38 PM permalink
Thank you again for your input, JB. Still getting the hang of re-learning strategy!
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June 5th, 2017 at 12:28:51 PM permalink
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I understand that. Shouldn't be to hard with only four tiles, correct? I mean, it doesn't have a payscale like VP. But then again, what do I know.


You'd be surprised. I welcome you to take a stab at it, and you'll see what I mean.
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June 5th, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM permalink
Tiger wu. Just FYI there are places that do not mark off a spot and this all tiles are in play.
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June 5th, 2017 at 1:00:13 PM permalink
Using me as an example.

I like complicated games. I like difficult strategy. I play competition bridge, nibble at chess, enjoy puzzles. Pai Gow Tiles is just on the edge of my grasp, can flounder through it with a base understanding of a set of rules, but with no finesse. That's how hard it is.

I agree it's worth getting a set of tiles. This is the exact set I bought, though it's on ebay. Mine came from spinetti's directly. They are exactly the tiles the Vegas casinos use, in my experience, and spinetti's a good seller.

http://www.m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?isRefine=true&sid=spinettis


http://m.ebay.com/itm/32-USED-MANDALAY-BAY-HOTEL-AND-CASINO-Pai-Gow-Tiles-Set-CASE-Dice-and-Plaque-/302195352226?hash=item465c3f22a2%3Ag%3AroEAAMXQrhdTWVeD&_trkparms=pageci%253Ae6fd59e1-4a28-11e7-b7e3-74dbd180c7dd%257Cparentrq%253A79d3712615c0abc051db32e2fff91851%257Ciid%253A14
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June 5th, 2017 at 2:20:09 PM permalink
I've seen pai gow sets for sale in places that sell maj jong. Usually there will be a pai gow set somewhere among them.

New Vision Gaming sells pai gow tile cards but it looks like they are a supplier to casinos so many not be happy to sell just one deck. I personally have one but they gave it to me as a gift.
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