2018 WoV Picks game (discussion thread)
One hour away from what?Quote: beachbumbabsONE HOUR guys! No wake-up call from Mission this week.
Quote: unJonIf the tied parties agree to a tiebreaker, then the bet follows the tiebreaker. If the tied parties agree to split then it’s a push.
If they agree to split, then they would finish as co-champions. i.e. Both would be first place, ergo, DJATC would be in first place.
(I have no skin in any side bet, so this is just my opinion.)
Quote: AyecarumbaIs it safe to assume that in the case of a two-way tie for first place where both parties agree to split, that they will split the first and second place monies?
In that case, I would rule that a tie for first is still a first place win, since it is a win that includes both first and second places (takes out Venn diagram...)
That's correct, they would be splitting 1st & 2nd place money.
Quote: Mission146If they agree to split, then they would finish as co-champions. i.e. Both would be first place, ergo, DJATC would be in first place.
Right but IIRC bet was not DJ vs not DJ. It was DJ vs the field. In a tie both bets win. So I still think that makes a push.
Quote: beachbumbabsI have action both directions.
I didn't read the picks rules very closely. I thought we had a tie-break system in place for a reason.
But I think what Shaggy said is fine with me. And in line with the (new?) option for chopping the pot.
Chopping the pot has been an option since the first WoV Picks Game back in 2012:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/11200-wov-picks-game-bet/
It even says "...the winner(s) will have the option of splitting the take, or..." I would suggest that, by the language of the game Rules, they are both the winner if they choose to chop the pot.
Quote: beachbumbabsONE HOUR guys! No wake-up call from Mission this week.
I usually stop reminder PM's right about this time of year. I think Week 9 might have been the last time I sent them, but maybe it was Week 10.
Quote: unJonRight but IIRC bet was not DJ vs not DJ. It was DJ vs the field. In a tie both bets win. So I still think that makes a push.
That makes it more interesting. I would argue that the field failed to beat DJATC, so in my opinion, that would still make the DJATC side of the bet a winner. You could argue either way, I think a push would also be at least fair. It seems nobody is suggesting that the Field wins in such a result.
If I don't get back to you right away, it's probably because I received so many PMs.
The Week 13 Picks are as follows:
Rigondeaux:
Dolphins -3.5
Browns +6
Jets +8
Colts -4
Bengals +5
TroopScott:
Jaguars OVER 47
Steelers OVER 51.5
Panthers OVER 54.5
Falcons OVER 48
Browns OVER 47
JW17:
Broncos -5 confidence
Cardinals +14
49ers +10
Redskins +6.5
Raiders +15
MidwestAP:
Jaguars +4
Panthers -3.5
Lions +10
Raiders +15 - Confidence
49ers +10
SOOPOO:
Colts -4
Panthers -3.5 Confidence
Eagles-6.5
Cardinals +14
Bills over 40
Genwyzgy:
Colts UNDER 47
Rams -10
Vikings +5
Chargers UNDER 51.5
Ravens UNDER 47
BeachBumBabs:
Vikings UNDER 49.5
Clots -4
Bears -4 - confidence
Chiefs UNDER 55.5
Raiders +15
Gordonm888:
Colts -4
Browns +6
Broncos -5
Patriots -5
Seahawks -10
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
PlayYourCardsRight:
Chargers +3.5
Panthers -3.5
Texans -6
Bears -4 CONFIDENCE
Seahawks -10
miplet:
Chargers +3.5
Buccaneers +3.5-confidence
Falcons -1.5
Giants +4
Redskins +6.5
unJon:
Chargers +3.5
Buccaneers +3.5
Falcons -1.5
Cardinals UNDER 44
Titans -8-confidence
GWAE:
Colts (-4) confidence
Buccaneers (+3.5)
Browns (+6)
Bears (-4)
Broncos (-5)
Romes:
Steelers -3.5
Falcons -1.5
Titans -8
Eagles -6.5
Patriots -5 CONFIDENCE
RisingDough:
Browns +6
Browns OVER 47
Giants +4
Rams -10 CONFIDENCE
Vikings +5
kuma:
Jaguars (+4)
Buccaneers (+3.5)
Raiders (+15)
Titans (-8)
49ers (+10) -- Confidence
Maxpen:
Titans -8
Eagles -6.5
Rams -10
Chiefs -15
Seahawks -10
Prozema:
Chargers +3.5
Buccaneers +3.5
Browns +6
Rams -10
Titans -8 Confidence
DJATC:
Browns +6
Cardinals +14
Cardinals UNDER44
Raiders +15 - CONFIDENCE
Titans -8
Bruce1:
Panthers UNDER 54.5
Falcons (-1.5)
Browns OVER 47
Cardinals UNDER 44
Titans (-8) CONFIDENCE
Sparty10k:
Ravens under 48
Browns +6
Giants +4
Rams -10–confidence
Vikings +5
scolist:
Rams -10
Patriots -5
Colts -4
Texans -6
Bears -4
JohnZimbo:
Colts -4 confidence
Colts under 47
Ravens +1.5
Bears -4
Redskins +6.5
FourFiveFace:
Colts -4-Confidence
Steelers -3.5
Falcons -1.5
Browns +6
Jets +8
EdCollins:
Colts -4
Falcons -1.5
Giants +4
Vikings +5
Eagles -6.5
fleastiff:
redskins +6.5
browns +6
ravens +1.5
ravens UNDER 48
colts -4
terapined:
Ravens +1.5
Eagles -6.5
Raiders +15
Bucs +3.5
Cards +14
Odiousgambit:
Bears -4
Bengals +5
Giants UNDER 44.5
Eagles OVER 45
Dolphins OVER 40
Ayecarumba:
Chargers +3.5
Giants +4
Bears UNDER 44.5
Cardinals UNDER 44
Raiders +15
IndyJeffrey:
Chargers +3.5
Falcons -1.5
Texans -6
Bears -4
Patriots -5
Joeman:
Rams -10 -Confidence
Rams OVER 55
Browns +6
Jaguars UNDER 47
Falcons -1.5
onenickelmiracle:
Browns over 47
Panthers under 54.5
49ers under 46 confidence
Ravens under 48
Chiefs under 55.5
Michael99000:
Chargers @ Steelers Under 51
Ravens @ Falcons Under 48
Browns @ Texans Under 47
Bears @ Giants Under 44.5
Chiefs @ Raiders Under 55.5 confidence
Wizard:
Jaguars +4
Chargers +3.5
Buccaneers +3.5
Browns +6-CONFIDENCE
Bills +3.5
Browns +6
Cardinals +14
Cardinals UNDER44
Raiders +15 - CONFIDENCE
Titans -8
GWAE:
Colts (-4) confidence
Buccaneers (+3.5)
Browns (+6)
Bears (-4)
Broncos (-5)
JohnZimbo:
Colts -4 confidence
Colts under 47
Ravens +1.5
Bears -4
Redskins +6.5
Prozema:
Chargers +3.5
Buccaneers +3.5
Browns +6
Rams -10
Titans -8 Confidence
onenickelmiracle:
Browns over 47
Panthers under 54.5
49ers under 46 confidence
Ravens under 48
Chiefs under 55.5
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
Quote: onenickelmiracleDJATC:
Browns +6
Cardinals +14
Cardinals UNDER44
Raiders +15 - CONFIDENCE
Titans -8
GWAE:
Colts (-4) confidence
Buccaneers (+3.5)
Browns (+6)
Bears (-4)
Broncos (-5)
JohnZimbo:
Colts -4 confidence
Colts under 47
Ravens +1.5
Bears -4
Redskins +6.5
Prozema:
Chargers +3.5
Buccaneers +3.5
Browns +6
Rams -10
Titans -8 Confidence
onenickelmiracle:
Browns over 47
Panthers under 54.5
49ers under 46 confidence
Ravens under 48
Chiefs under 55.5
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
We are looking like a group of geniuses with the Cleveland / Houston game.
Quote: prozemaWe are looking like a group of geniuses with the Cleveland / Houston game.
Actually, now I see it, JohnnyQ didn't enter a valid set of picks I don't think. I'd give JohnnyQ a pass on the Texans over, because he played Texans -6 as his confidence pick, but the Rams -10 over 55 isn't good. I'm not sure what the policy is, if it has already been decided with past decisions to be a spread bet, but it's vague as of now. I'd vote to allow either if both win. Otherwise if one of the two lose, they both lose is how I'd vote. I think it's invalid otherwise.
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
On third thought, I wonder where you guys came up with the idea to bet Cle +6, perhaps unintentional subliminal advertising lol.
Rams(-10) won by 14, the total was 46, under 55. I say the pick is a loss at best, he uses a skip week if it's determined an invalid pick or forfeits if he already used a skip week. I triple check my picks for accuracy, deathly afraid I'm missing something so simple I still can't see, so I'm disappointed he was so sloppy.Quote: prozemaI saw that, but I just assumed he was picking the over.
It would avoid all the hassles and mistakes that result from doing it 1997 style.
Quote: onenickelmiracleActually, now I see it, JohnnyQ didn't enter a valid set of picks I don't think.
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
Oh poop and fiddlesticks, I see that now.
Well, the way I read my own picks is that it should be OVER for both, which are both losses. But whatever we have done before in situations like this is OK with me, because who knows how this whole darn thing is going to turn out after week 17..
I should have looked over my picks more carefully before hitting the send button. I don't want to be the source of any controversy.
I have NOT used a skip week yet.
Maybe some of us can just do both next year. I'd think we would have to have an agreement you can't use the same picks for both games, otherwise it would be stupid.Quote: michael99000There are many sites that host private weekly picks contests like this for a small fee. Any reason why we don’t go that route?
It would avoid all the hassles and mistakes that result from doing it 1997 style.
Quote: michael99000There are many sites that host private weekly picks contests like this for a small fee. Any reason why we don’t go that route?
It would avoid all the hassles and mistakes that result from doing it 1997 style.
Earlier in this thread it was discussed. Mission said he is going to continue to do it this way but if anyone wants to start a new one he wont complain.
I believe the other sites dont quite have the same rules and no one wants to pay a fee
Quote: onenickelmiracleActually, now I see it, JohnnyQ didn't enter a valid set of picks I don't think. I'd give JohnnyQ a pass on the Texans over, because he played Texans -6 as his confidence pick, but the Rams -10 over 55 isn't good. I'm not sure what the policy is, if it has already been decided with past decisions to be a spread bet, but it's vague as of now. I'd vote to allow either if both win. Otherwise if one of the two lose, they both lose is how I'd vote. I think it's invalid otherwise.
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
On third thought, I wonder where you guys came up with the idea to bet Cle +6, perhaps unintentional subliminal advertising lol.
He is clearly picking the over. He has copied and pasted the line and just didn't back out the spread on his picks
It's not clear, that's why there are two different picks listed. What you're suggesting is using the intent of the voter, which is really just saying someone did something here, so therefore, they would want to do something here the same way to be consistent, and that's really fallible. Sometimes people are random, inconsistent. On the other picks, he doesn't list over unders, so there is really only one way it can be interpreted, but listing both the spread and the over, there are two ways to interpret the pick. You cannot say it's clear, you can say it's probable.Quote: troopscottHe is clearly picking the over. He has copied and pasted the line and just didn't back out the spread on his picks
However, I'm good with saying it's an over, but that is inconsistent against Mission saying he is going to be strict with the format, he would make picks invalid if they don't follow the format. I'm not even interested in screwing JohnnyQ over by bringing this up, but I have to bring it up, because those are the rules. It's probably not going to be an issue, but later on, there could be an issue an people will be mad when it's costing someone money. JohnnyQ might even be better off using a skip week based on how his picks wind up.
Quote: onenickelmiracleNow the Seahawks need to stop scoring damn it. Just run the ball, run the clock, and don't show anyone anything more. I am so screwed, going to lose the pick and the bets.
Hawks gotta run it up bruh it's the 49ers a division rival
I can't believe no one is paying me to get my picks so they can fade them. Double yecch.
/whining. Can't even be bad enough to move Aye off the bottom rung. Just dismal.
Don't cry for me Argentina. I am good with whatever. Except being outright disqualified.Quote: AyecarumbaThis is the year of strict enforcement, and it should continue to be so.
Ok games done and they covered. No more #raidernation
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's not clear, that's why there are two different picks listed. What you're suggesting is using the intent of the voter, which is really just saying someone did something here, so therefore, they would want to do something here the same way to be consistent, and that's really fallible. Sometimes people are random, inconsistent. On the other picks, he doesn't list over unders, so there is really only one way it can be interpreted, but listing both the spread and the over, there are two ways to interpret the pick. You cannot say it's clear, you can say it's probable.
However, I'm good with saying it's an over, but that is inconsistent against Mission saying he is going to be strict with the format, he would make picks invalid if they don't follow the format. I'm not even interested in screwing JohnnyQ over by bringing this up, but I have to bring it up, because those are the rules. It's probably not going to be an issue, but later on, there could be an issue an people will be mad when it's costing someone money. JohnnyQ might even be better off using a skip week based on how his picks wind up.
if he was not taking the over on points he would not have needed to type over. +6 or -6 would be taking the spread not the over
Maybe, but not certainly. I look at each line as a separate pick, context isn't necessary, because it's just interpretation and assumption. It's either over or under or spread, you don't leave both. If anything, I'd go with the spread bet, because that is read first. However, these points are moot, it's going to be invalid.Quote: troopscottif he was not taking the over on points he would not have needed to type over. +6 or -6 would be taking the spread not the over
Quote: onenickelmiracleMaybe, but not certainly. I look at each line as a separate pick, context isn't necessary, because it's just interpretation and assumption. It's either over or under or spread, you don't leave both. If anything, I'd go with the spread bet, because that is read first. However, these points are moot, it's going to be invalid.
Actually you have all his picks to help in making the determination
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
If you look at his picks above he took:
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
this shows he had the -6 in both his picks and knew the difference because he made two bets on the same game, both included -6.
When using this information the logical conclusion is that the rams -10 OVER 55 was to be an over on the total
now that being said I have no idea of the standing etc and how this impacts any bets or side bets or the game in general. I just feel the bet was supposed to be over 55 rams. not my game, not my rules but to me what he did made perfect sense
It's not fair to use context. Each pick is supposed to be a separate line, on those two lines there are two different options listed. Like Aye brought up, we have a zero tolerance rule in effect, Mission's comment about the pick being an over is contrary to his own rule that invalid picks are forfeits. SO I'M SAVING $2.50 BY BEING IN AN ANTIQUATED GAME WITH JUST THE ONLY COST IS HAVING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS. I'm definitely down to outsource next year.Quote: troopscottActually you have all his picks to help in making the determination
JohnnyQ:
Falcons (-1.5)
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
Rams (-10) OVER 55
Raiders (+15)
If you look at his picks above he took:
Texans (-6) CONFIDENCE
Texans (-6) OVER 47
this shows he had the -6 in his picks and knew the difference because he made two bets on the same game both included
when using this the logical conclusion is that the rams -10 OVER 55 was to be an over on the total
now that being said I have no idea of the standing etc and how this impacts any bets or side bets or the game in general. I just feel the bet was supposed to be over 55 rams. not my game, not my rules but to me what he did made perfect sense
The rules trump excuses and context.
Quote: onenickelmiracleSO I'M SAVING $2.50 BY BEING IN AN ANTIQUATED GAME WITH JUST THE ONLY COST IS HAVING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS. I'm definitely down to outsource next year.
The rules trump excuses and context
No excuses on my part:
Quote: JohnnyQBut whatever we have done before in situations like this is OK with me, because who knows how this whole darn thing is going to turn out after week 17..
I should have looked over my picks more carefully before hitting the send button. I don't want to be the source of any controversy.
I know that, the others I refer.Quote: JohnnyQNo excuses on my part:
Quote: JohnnyQBut whatever we have done before in situations like this is OK with me, because who knows how this whole darn thing is going to turn out after week 17..
I should have looked over my picks more carefully before hitting the send button. I don't want to be the source of any controversy.
I’m finishing this regular season game, paying out the $150 and that’s the end of it for me.
Meantime, we’ll just make it his Skip week since he hasn’t used it anyway.
Quote: Mission146I’m down to outsource next year, too.
Real sorry to hear that.
Thanks for running it this year.
Well then you can play next year and show off your stuff, giving your WOV picks game legacy an even greater record.Quote: Mission146I’m down to outsource next year, too. Alternatively, someone else can run this one. I’m done with it. If anyone wants to do the Playoff Game for this year, go ahead. I’m not running it either.
I’m finishing this regular season game, paying out the $150 and that’s the end of it for me.
Meantime, we’ll just make it his Skip week since he hasn’t used it anyway.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWell then you can play next year and show off your stuff, giving your WOV picks game legacy an even greater record.
The new game on the outside site? I’m not playing.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Only siths deal in absolutes.Quote: Mission146The new game on the outside site? I’m not playing.
Come on
More than that, joining a different game would negate some of the time I’ll be saving by not running this one.
Finally, I absolutely guarantee I’d forget to make my picks frequently if I had to go to a different website.
Quote: Mission146The entire purpose of this game was to have something for everyone to do on the Forum. I can join any number of games off of the Forum, some of which with weaker competition.
More than that, joining a different game would negate some of the time I’ll be saving by not running this one.
Finally, I absolutely guarantee I’d forget to make my picks frequently if I had to go to a different website.
What do you mean by “have something for everyone to do on the forum”?
If you mean a weekly picks contest for just members here, it would be exactly that. The site would host our private game and the only difference would be its much more streamlined , modern, and easier.
This whole idea of someone manually copying and pasting lines to the board, each member then emailing picks to someone , and then having to worry every week about these entries worded wrongly or whatever.. you think that’s all a good idea or fun ? It’s avout 15-20 years behind in how these pools are typically run. I don’t understand the enjoyment you get from any of the outdated parts of this process
There’s even been a few weeks where you didn’t get the lines up timely , or didn’t post the picks timely. These would all be things you’d no longer need to worry about
Quote: michael99000These would all be things you’d no longer need to worry about
You’re very correct.
Plus we could still copy and paste from there to here, etc., etc, etc. and the discussions would be here. He'll play, give it time.Quote: michael99000What do you mean by “have something for everyone to do on the forum”?
If you mean a weekly picks contest for just members here, it would be exactly that. The site would host our private game and the only difference would be its much more streamlined , modern, and easier.
This whole idea of someone manually copying and pasting lines to the board, each member then emailing picks to someone , and then having to worry every week about these entries worded wrongly or whatever.. you think that’s all a good idea or fun ? It’s avout 15-20 years behind in how these pools are typically run. I don’t understand the enjoyment you get from any of the outdated parts of this process
There’s even been a few weeks where you didn’t get the lines up timely , or didn’t post the picks timely. These would all be things you’d no longer need to worry about
