betwthelines
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April 10th, 2017 at 5:19:31 AM permalink
Quote: Dyvan13

...On DI: I know it's not changing the probability of anything. For myself and many players, its a big part of the fun...the setting procedure and toss...makes it much more fun...


this Fun all by itself is the BEST reason possible to play the game and with no clarification or amplification necessary...it is either Fun or it isn't. period.

o, sure, winning adds much more to the Fun than losing does but no one can have a (legitimate, valid) differing opinion as to WHAT is fun for you (the same probably cannot be said about IF you are having Fun, clues to which one might glean from your demeanor or general aspect [even then the opinion might not be accurate but it is at least valid to have an opinion about such])...

personally i just grab 'em and fling 'em and no one has any standing to tell me whether i think it is Fun or not...it either is or it isn't and any words cannot change that...but as is oft-said on here (or at least should be oft-said...lol) "to each his own"

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LuckyPhow
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April 10th, 2017 at 8:02:06 AM permalink
Quote: Dyvan13

On DI: I know it's not changing the probability of anything.


If someone could change the probability, even a small amount, the gambler would suddenly have the advantage. And, if they could do that, they would be foolish to boast about it here (or anywhere).

Quote: Dyvan13

For myself and many players, its a big part of the fun and the Craps experience. ... there is something about the finesse of the setting procedure and toss that makes it much more fun.


Agreed. And, if shooters think it improves the chance of a win, or believe it improves the chance of a win, or hope it improves the chance of a win, why not let them have their fun?

Quote: Dyvan13

We could just fling the dice hastily....


...And thereby avoid wasting the time of those who cannot spare a few extra seconds between throws, don'cher know? Because time is money, and those hasty gamblers cannot abide anything that delays their losing money to the HA.

As for myself, I just hope all shooters do whatever they need to do to have a successful roll, whether "dice setters" or "chicken feeders." However shooters throw the dice, I'm there rooting for them, hoping they bring home the bacon.

(Edit: Deleted the dash in front of "HA")
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April 10th, 2017 at 8:14:01 AM permalink
Dice setting is a superstition, an affectation, employed by the desperate and the deluded in the "hope" that it will "work."

Uh-huh.

No different than a slot player waving his / her fingers across the screen in the same pattern before every play.

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LuckyPhow
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April 10th, 2017 at 12:17:36 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Dice setting is a superstition, an affectation, employed by the desperate and the deluded in the "hope" that it will "work."



Well, I guess you are entitled to your opinion.

But, just so I understand your post: In your opinion anyone who sets dice is "desperate"? (Clearly someone is "deluded," but lemmie clarify this reference, because the "deluded" reference may take care of itself here shortly.)

Others in this thread (and elsewhere) indicate they consider it part of the "fun" to set the dice, and agree it does not affect the random outcome of the throw. I'm puzzled as to how that makes them"desperate." Are you perhaps "deluded" in suggesting (all?) dice setters are "desperate"? (Curious minds want to know...)
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April 10th, 2017 at 1:28:22 PM permalink
We craps players all want to win, but in the long run we don't because the house has the edge over us.

Many players simply refuse to accept this as a fact, and seek ways to "beat the house:" it is in this regard that I use the word "desperate" to describe them.

They're "desperate" as they must construct some form of plan, scheme, or methodology to try and accomplish their goal, and rather than look foolish they simply "believe" that it works, or that it will work for them.

In hoping it works they evidence at minimum a form of "quiet desperation," as their embracing of DI clearly involves the superstitious as opposed to the empirical.

How else to explain grown men setting the dice if they otherwise know that dice setting "does not affect the random outcome of the throw?"
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April 10th, 2017 at 1:44:55 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Well, I guess you are entitled to your opinion.

I don't see much point in it either, unless it could spark some other idea. However, if all the world depended on one roll against me, I'd like to see it make it all the way.
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April 10th, 2017 at 5:31:05 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff




I'm often hesitant to pick up an errant die for fear of anyone thinking I'm about to switch them and that I'm in collusion with the current shooter.



There is literally no reason for any player to EVER pick up a die from the floor for the casino after a no-roll. Only bad things can happen. You can get accused of switching dice. You can have your chips stolen from the rail. You can get blamed by morons if the shooter requests same dice and the seven hits next roll.

The casino isn't paying you to work for them so unless you're getting a paycheck, no one should pick up dice off the floor. Let the employees do it.
Paigowdan
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April 10th, 2017 at 6:01:57 PM permalink
I can see that argument, but if a player chases down and picks up a die, (as often done at my joint), no harm or accusation is made. The floorman or shift manager looks at the die, checks it out (including the shift's serial number on the dice), says thanks, and puts it back into the game.
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April 10th, 2017 at 6:27:31 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I can see that argument, but if a player chases down and picks up a die, (as often done at my joint), no harm or accusation is made. The floorman or shift manager looks at the die, checks it out (including the shift's serial number on the dice), says thanks, and puts it back into the game.



Right. And that's the very best thing that could happen.

What if the shooter had switched the dice, then the die went off the table, you pick it up, and now the serial number or pips aren't right?

What if while you're walking halfway across the aisle to get a die some lowlife swipes a green chip off your rail?

If you wouldn't go out to the parking lot to valet park cars for the casino as volunteer, you shouldn't be picking up errant dice.
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April 10th, 2017 at 6:35:20 PM permalink
At Hollywood Cbus, the table is so bouncy that the dice go flying everywhere about one out of three rolls. I'm a regular there, and I can tell you players are expected to go get the dice when they don't land on the business side of the floor. Never known anyone to have had a problem with this policy...

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