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April 29th, 2017 at 8:45:14 AM permalink
Hi All,

Whenever I take a trip over to Biloxi, MS, I tend to always stay at the HR, IP or the Palace....but I was thinking about trying out the Scarlet Pearl next time I am over that way. For those that have been there lately, does it seem to be doing well (meaning still busy on weekends)? How are the restaurants? Are the free play/hotel room offers pretty generous compared to other casino in Biloxi? Thanks!
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April 29th, 2017 at 9:48:15 AM permalink
Hotel rooms are some of the best in Biloxi. Slow season right now. But shoot me if you ever find me in a casino on a weekend! Comps have slowed down from initial grand opening but are improving for me.
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April 30th, 2017 at 5:30:22 AM permalink
So how are the restaurants on site? Pretty decent food options? Also, are you mostly a TG player or slots/VP player? Do they offer any cheap ($5) craps or BJ or is everything $10 mins?
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April 30th, 2017 at 6:05:24 AM permalink
Most minimums are $5. Except Bac and DD. I have only done lunch buffet and "Under the Oak Tree". Nothing special about the buffet, love the Oak Tree! Play TG's exclusively.
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April 30th, 2017 at 6:46:16 AM permalink
I've eaten there several times.

The 24 hr cafe (under the oak tree) is much better than most 24 hr places, really outstanding. Very good food (fresh, about 50 items on the menu, all day breakfast, burgers, dinners, appetizers), huge portions, inexpensive, good service, full bar, smoking section. Highly recommend.

Buffet is mediocre selection, lots of fried, not much on the carving station, mostly fresh, lousy service. Stinks horribly on seafood nights. I don't recommend.

Noodle bar is fresh and made.to order, good pho, ok other stuff, (sandwiches and a couple appetizers) but all Thai flavorings, and I don't like lemongrass and cilantro. If you do, you will like it very much. Good service, great sauce selection on the table. (Soy, sriracha, hoisin, etc)

Steakhouse has standard steakhouse offerings (steak, seafood, pasta), huge portions on side dishes, Ala carte menu (no "dinners"), very slow but thorough service, good quality food but very expensive for the area. Extensive wine menu and full bar, chef's tastings brought around to the table several times. Recommend if you have 2+ hours to dine.

Poker room serves from a limited menu, think it's out of the cafe, on little tables behind you
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April 30th, 2017 at 7:42:53 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I've eaten there several times.

The 24 hr cafe (under the oak tree) is much better than most 24 hr places, really outstanding. Very good food (fresh, about 50 items on the menu, all day breakfast, burgers, dinners, appetizers), huge portions, inexpensive, good service, full bar, smoking section. Highly recommend.

Buffet is mediocre selection, lots of fried, not much on the carving station, mostly fresh, lousy service. Stinks horribly on seafood nights. I don't recommend.

Noodle bar is fresh and made.to order, good pho, ok other stuff, (sandwiches and a couple appetizers) but all Thai flavorings, and I don't like lemongrass and cilantro. If you do, you will like it very much. Good service, great sauce selection on the table. (Soy, sriracha, hoisin, etc)

Steakhouse has standard steakhouse offerings (steak, seafood, pasta), huge portions on side dishes, Ala carte menu (no "dinners"), very slow but thorough service, good quality food but very expensive for the area. Extensive wine menu and full bar, chef's tastings brought around to the table several times. Recommend if you have 2+ hours to dine.

Poker room serves from a limited menu, think it's out of the cafe, on little tables behind you



Thanks for the info....ever tried the "Butler's Bar & Lounge"? Is that just basically the steakhouse but with less formal seating?

Last question, is the cocktail service fairly consistent (i.e. a waitress is coming around pretty regularly?)

I have booked a room at the SP in a couple weeks so I can't wait to see this property with my own two eyes....!!
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April 30th, 2017 at 8:12:18 AM permalink
Quote: IAchance5

Thanks for the info....ever tried the "Butler's Bar & Lounge"? Is that just basically the steakhouse but with less formal seating?

Last question, is the cocktail service fairly consistent (i.e. a waitress is coming around pretty regularly?)

I have booked a room at the SP in a couple weeks so I can't wait to see this property with my own two eyes....!!



Butler Bar is just the back side of the steakhouse bar, sticking out into the casino.with a few stools. Nothing special that I'm aware of. (I think). However, they could be talking about the sports bar on the back wall of the casino (that I haven't used), which I think is just a full bar and a music stage, some tv's, no food, some Bartop machines. I think that's called the Jackpot bar, but I don't know.by names on either.

Pretty good drink service in the casino. You don't go more than 15 minutes without seeing one no matter what time it is.
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April 30th, 2017 at 8:15:51 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

. But shoot me if you ever find me in a casino on a weekend!

Is this because the room is less likely to be comped or there are less likely to be any decent incentives such as point multipliers? Or are you simply adverse to the more crowded atmosphere that is usually encountered on weekends?


SATURDAY at Scarlet Pearl:

Win a taxable jackpot and the three percent state tax will be paid by us to you in Free Play.

earn 400 points SAT 10am to 2pm..get free brunch
earn another 400 points get 10 in free slot play

earn 100 points SAT 2pm to 5pm...15dollars in free play.

I'll admit,,, none of these seem to be anything special. Probably because casinos don't need to lure customers in on a Saturday.
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April 30th, 2017 at 8:52:41 AM permalink
So crazy how different people have such different views , under the oak was the worst food I've seen. In Biloxi
For breakfast they do not even have fresh squeezed oj
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April 30th, 2017 at 9:30:21 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

So crazy how different people have such different views , under the oak was the worst food I've seen. In Biloxi
For breakfast they do not even have fresh squeezed oj



Just wondering, was that when it first opened or recently? Maybe they ironed out the kinks?
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April 30th, 2017 at 9:37:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

So crazy how different people have such different views , under the oak was the worst food I've seen. In Biloxi
For breakfast they do not even have fresh squeezed oj



That seems overly fussy a requirement; be nice if they had it, but they don't. What they do serve is very good, except the chicken fried steak, while huge and a real cutlet, is tough and filled with gristle (at least mine was: I didn't give them a second chance on it).
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April 30th, 2017 at 9:46:34 AM permalink
I was very underwhelmed with the entire place - high limit room is blah. Elevators where slow to the room and I stayed in the what they called the penthouse and it was a basi room I'll post a pic if anyone wants it
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April 30th, 2017 at 11:01:54 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Is this because the room is less likely to be comped? Or are you simply adverse to the more crowded atmosphere that is usually encountered on weekends?


I don't play well with others, especially at a craps table.

As for WoN comments: I agree HL room had lousy JoB pay table, 8/5. My corner suites were among the best rooms in Biloxi equal to HR. But OJ?? One way ticket to high sugar hell, no thanks! Come on man, the elevator ain't that slow!
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April 30th, 2017 at 12:43:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I was very underwhelmed with the entire place - high limit room is blah. Elevators where slow to the room and I stayed in the what they called the penthouse and it was a basi room I'll post a pic if anyone wants it



Please do...how can a penthouse suite at a brand new hotel be nothing more than an average hotel room....if that is the case, the SP won't survive another anniversary....
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April 30th, 2017 at 3:46:55 PM permalink
https://imgur.com/gallery/j1TvQ
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April 30th, 2017 at 4:20:43 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

https://imgur.com/gallery/j1TvQ



Wow, you have a good point there....if this is supposed to be one of the SP's "penthouse" (top floor) rooms, then clearly that bedroom situation is way too narrow for comfort....I will say that those large windows look really nice and the view is great of the back bay....thanks for sharing!
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April 30th, 2017 at 6:19:19 PM permalink
Sorry, but that is a corner suite, there are 4 of them per floor with windows on two sides. Heck I can post better pics of the room next door! Ending in 18 I believe with the posted picture probably being a room #16. I could be off by one#. #4 and #5 on opposite side.
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April 30th, 2017 at 6:38:15 PM permalink
That is the top floor
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April 30th, 2017 at 6:40:04 PM permalink
It was a two room suite with narrow bathroom and the tv was in a bad spot - zero mini bar
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May 1st, 2017 at 6:35:35 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Hotel rooms are some of the best in Biloxi. Slow season right now. But shoot me if you ever find me in a casino on a weekend! Comps have slowed down from initial grand opening but are improving for me.



What he said. I agree (except, I'll join the crowd on weekends if that happens).

Comps for this bottom-feeder seem "reasonable" when compared to comps I get from other Biloxi-area casinos. Staff at SP seem genuinely friendly -- dealers, pit bosses, security, restaurant staff, hotel front desk -- everyone! Buffet is "acceptable," for the casino's (relatively) small size, but it probably could be better. SP did a buffet "remodel" last December that closed the buffet for several days, and it is better now than before. The Oak Cafe is open 24/7, and I've had both good and bad there. Some good and some bad service. Some good and some not-so-good food. But, overall "reasonable" IMHO. I absolutely LOVE the (basic, bottom-feeder) rooms. Large, well-designed bath rooms. Comfortably sized main area. Also, as a new casino, SP has incorporated some of the newer "technology" in various ways, such as security and fancy window shades. Plus, the brand new parking garage is great. Most convenient access to hotel/casino of any other competitor. I would stay there more if my free-room offers gave me that choice. (SP and I are working on that -- this is a long-term relationship.)
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May 1st, 2017 at 6:51:58 AM permalink
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What he said. I agree (except, I'll join the crowd on weekends if that happens).

Comps for this bottom-feeder seem "reasonable" when compared to comps I get from other Biloxi-area casinos. Staff at SP seem genuinely friendly -- dealers, pit bosses, security, restaurant staff, hotel front desk -- everyone! Buffet is "acceptable," for the casino's (relatively) small size, but it probably could be better. SP did a buffet "remodel" last December that closed the buffet for several days, and it is better now than before. The Oak Cafe is open 24/7, and I've had both good and bad there. Some good and some bad service. Some good and some not-so-good food. But, overall "reasonable" IMHO. I absolutely LOVE the (basic, bottom-feeder) rooms. Large, well-designed bath rooms. Comfortably sized main area. Also, as a new casino, SP has incorporated some of the newer "technology" in various ways, such as security and fancy window shades. Plus, the brand new parking garage is great. Most convenient access to hotel/casino of any other competitor. I would stay there more if my free-room offers gave me that choice. (SP and I are working on that -- this is a long-term relationship.)



Great info.... what would you say is your coin-in/tier points per day earned for those limited room offers? I would just like to have some sort of comparison if possible...at the hard rock I typically play from 1.8k to 3k in coin-in per day (which equates to 900-1500 tier points) and I am currently receiving 2-3 free nights per week (including weekends) and about $85 free play per week.... would I get more than that at the SP?
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May 2nd, 2017 at 6:37:01 AM permalink
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Great info.... what would you say is your coin-in/tier points per day earned for those limited room offers? I would just like to have some sort of comparison if possible...at the hard rock I typically play from 1.8k to 3k in coin-in per day (which equates to 900-1500 tier points) and I am currently receiving 2-3 free nights per week (including weekends) and about $85 free play per week.... would I get more than that at the SP?


Yikes! I didn't know this would be on the test. Ummm...

I usually try to play about six hours a day at my "overnight" casino-hotel. Other than that, I seldom track metrics like tier points or coin in. Before noon, I stop at other nearby casinos that don't give free hotel stays, just to let them know I was in town, but not staying at their property. Then, back to my host casino as the noon shift arrives and all the tables open.

I stayed at Hard Rock last nignt, but this was the first time in years. For the longest time they would send me a free room offer on Thursday for the next Monday. But, because I stay in Biloxi for a week or more when I come, I have to plan well in advance to "coordinate" available nights with the various properties that provide offers. This was the first time I got an offer early enough to use for my trip. And, boy-oh-boy, I sure tried to give them play yesterday (and previous mornings during this trip). So, I'm hoping for multi-day offers going forward. I had 2 $10 slot-play offers available during this trip, which is about my average from HR. I love the HR buffet and generally do pretty well on their table games. I think your play may be about 3x mine, if that helps you estimate tier points, etc.
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May 2nd, 2017 at 9:39:07 AM permalink
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Yikes! I didn't know this would be on the test. Ummm...

I stayed at Hard Rock last nignt, but this was the first time in years. For the longest time they would send me a free room offer on Thursday for the next Monday. But, because I stay in Biloxi for a week or more when I come, I have to plan well in advance to "coordinate" available nights with the various properties that provide offers. This was the first time I got an offer early enough to use for my trip. And, boy-oh-boy, I sure tried to give them play yesterday (and previous mornings during this trip). So, I'm hoping for multi-day offers going forward. I had 2 $10 slot-play offers available during this trip, which is about my average from HR. I love the HR buffet and generally do pretty well on their table games. I think your play may be about 3x mine, if that helps you estimate tier points, etc.



Even for an older hotel (think around 2006), the rooms are still pretty nice....so does the SP give you more than $10 slot play then? If so, then it sounds like their offers might be better than the hard rock....
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May 2nd, 2017 at 3:16:28 PM permalink
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Even for an older hotel (think around 2006), the [Hard Rock] rooms are still pretty nice....so does the SP give you more than $10 slot play then? If so, then it sounds like their offers might be better than the hard rock....



Scarlet Pearl casino play offers are about the same as Hard Rock casino. SP has been more generous historically with free room nights than HR. Somehow, HR marketing (at least historically) has thought they were giving me something attractive when they suggested I drop everything and drive 4-5 hours each way to spend one night at their casino. Not quite my cuppa tea, don'cher know?

IMHO the HR rooms are great. I haven't yet stayed in the new tower, so I don't know about rooms there. But rooms in the original hotel tower have a unique feature I like a lot. The rooms have double bathroom sinks set up (almost) like a bar in the main part of the hotel room. Each sink is a large rectangle, which makes it great for filling with beer or wine on ice. Rounded sink basins don't work nearly as well. Also, morning bathroom-sink chores allow the hotel guest to watch morning TV news and weather. Like the SP, the HR rooms have some interesting design features.
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May 2nd, 2017 at 3:35:47 PM permalink
Pearl is definitely the best place in biloxi to read a book. Insanely bright inside compared to most casinos.
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May 4th, 2017 at 12:13:45 AM permalink
One piece of advice: Book as high as possible. Last minute one night stay, typing here, bad weather held me up. On every floor, with 21 rooms, you want rooms ending in 4 and 18 followed by 5 and 17, the four corners of this strange foot print of a hotel. I am in 411, middle "suite", the fifth best floor plan but too low for a nice view. You want eighth floor and up. Did not run into "LuckyPhow", not yet anyway, we met several months ago at a MS table. BS was discussed then, and our mutual knowledge, from WoO, led to our handles being discussed.
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May 4th, 2017 at 5:43:59 AM permalink
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One piece of advice: Book as high as possible. Last minute one night stay, typing here, bad weather held me up.



I stayed in room 712 at Scarlet Pearl last week, and had a lovely view of the brand new parking garage. But, floor 7 was also high enough to allow a view into the distance, overlooking the (reasonably picturesque) Back Bay. Also, during a previous visit, I could not drive home due to torrential rain. SP allowed me to stay another comp night. IMHO, SP is VERY customer focused.

Quote: DeMango

Did not run into "LuckyPhow", not yet anyway, we met several months ago at a MS table. BS was discussed then, and our mutual knowledge, from WoO, led to our handles being discussed.



Yup. Yesterday I was dodging the oncoming rain while trying to squeeze in a review of the exhibit hall at the Southern Gaming Summit. I'm at the Beau Rivage tonight, and I'll return home tomorrow (hopefully, after the rain clears northern Florida). Guess you will return home today. Probably not much chance of connecting today.

The time-stamp on your post shows 12:13 AM (Vegas time). Really, DeMango! That's 2:15 AM Biloxi time. Did you have to wait until the wee hours of the morning to get your own private craps table? Long past my bedtime, but I hope you crushed the casino.
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May 4th, 2017 at 8:53:22 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

One piece of advice: Book as high as possible. Last minute one night stay, typing here, bad weather held me up. On every floor, with 21 rooms, you want rooms ending in 4 and 18 followed by 5 and 17, the four corners of this strange foot print of a hotel. I am in 411, middle "suite", the fifth best floor plan but too low for a nice view. You want eighth floor and up. Did not run into "LuckyPhow", not yet anyway, we met several months ago at a MS table. BS was discussed then, and our mutual knowledge, from WoO, led to our handles being discussed.



Wow, so there are only 21 rooms on each floor? That seems more like a "boutique" hotel type then... I want to say that the HR has probably double that on each floor in the older tower. How many floors are at the SP?
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May 4th, 2017 at 8:29:22 PM permalink
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Wow, so there are only 21 rooms on each floor? That seems more like a "boutique" hotel type then... I want to say that the HR has probably double that on each floor in the older tower. How many floors are at the SP?



Not sure how many floors. There are 300 hotel rooms total in the Scarlet Pearl Casino.
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May 4th, 2017 at 8:34:36 PM permalink
I thought it was 18 but honestly can't remember
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May 5th, 2017 at 4:09:18 AM permalink
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The time-stamp on your post shows 12:13 AM (Vegas time). Really, DeMango! That's 2:15 AM Biloxi time. Did you have to wait until the wee hours of the morning to get your own private craps table? Long past my bedtime, but I hope you crushed the casino.



The early bird does not always get the empty craps table, but the best chance at one. The casinos with higher minimums and limited or no ATS sidebets gives you the best chance. So at Treasure Bay, everyone with $37 to their name is trying to get rich. $5 pass line, no odds, no other action, but for 1 - 3 - 1 on the ATS waiting for lightning and a payout close to $600! Hard Rock with $10 PL minimum and no ATS works a heck of a lot better! The Beau deals with it by having $5 minimum on all ATS segments. I know Golden Nugget reduced the payouts to the new standard 30 - 150 - 30.
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May 5th, 2017 at 7:18:53 AM permalink
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The early bird does not always get the empty craps table, but the best chance at one. The casinos with higher minimums and limited or no ATS sidebets gives you the best chance. So at Treasure Bay, everyone with $37 to their name is trying to get rich. $5 pass line, no odds, no other action, but for 1 - 3 - 1 on the ATS waiting for lightning and a payout close to $600! Hard Rock with $10 PL minimum and no ATS works a heck of a lot better! The Beau deals with it by having $5 minimum on all ATS segments. I know Golden Nugget reduced the payouts to the new standard 30 - 150 - 30.



I don't play craps too often so what is ATS? I'm assuming something very difficult to hit....
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May 5th, 2017 at 7:35:20 AM permalink
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I don't play craps too often so what is ATS? I'm assuming something very difficult to hit....



It's all tall small bet.

A single shooter has to throw 2 3 4 5 6 for small, 8 9 10 11 12 for tall, and all 10 rolls for all.

This must happen before any 7 is rolled, including the come-out 7s, to get paid. The bet has to be made before any point or roll other than a 7 has occurred (or you've missed betting it), then it rides until resolved. You must replace it (start over) after any 7.

Most places require at least a pass line bet to play it.

FWIW, I've hit the All twice, and I've maybe played craps 30 times lifetime now. Also hit the small or tall about 4 times but not made the all. So not THAT difficult. ..lol. I think it's much easier to win than the firebet. JMHO; not sure about their respective hit rates in comparison.
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May 5th, 2017 at 8:21:35 AM permalink
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It's all tall small bet.
FWIW, I've hit the All twice, and I've maybe played craps 30 times lifetime now. Also hit the small or tall about 4 times but not made the all. So not THAT difficult. ..lol. I think it's much easier to win than the firebet. JMHO; not sure about their respective hit rates in comparison.



I had some hesitancy at the ATS abbreviation but did figure it out. Mentally I've classified the Firebet, ALL, TALL, SMALL bets as "carnival bets for craps". I'm sure I've read the various odds calculations for those bets but with my aversion to math, all I've seemed to internalize about those bets is they are high house edge rip-offs to be utterly avoided by any serious craps player.

I think I'm going to have to radically adjust my views and if I'm ever successful at selling my bottle-cap collection, I'm going to have to radically adjust my style of play.

I've heard comments about poker rooms changing from places where poker is played to places where players sort of sit around and just mark time going thru the motions until various House Specials happen to hit. I sure hope this does not happen to the craps pits: everyone really just playing the various carnival bets instead of the 'real' game.

However, this post by BBB reveals a six hits out of thirty games. So I guess those "carnival" bets are okay to consider. Some players might still prefer "the main game" of PL, odds, ComeBet, odds, PlaceBets, Press, etc. until the dreaded 'seven out' is heard, but now at least I will think of these 'carnival bets' as perfectly valid choices to be made.

Time for me to go review the pages relating to those carnival bets. See ya later.
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May 15th, 2017 at 10:47:58 AM permalink
Does anyone remember how long the Margaritaville casino was open in Biloxi? Maybe only 2 years? I'm asking because I just saw that the Scarlet Pearl is not doing a car giveaway in June (only doing a riding lawnmower and some steaks) and the past couple months they gave away just domestic cars (Ford, Chevy, etc.)....and if I remember correctly, I think the Margaritaville casino did the same thing (stopped giving away luxury cars) due to them have a rough time financially. Am I way off from thinking this?
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May 15th, 2017 at 12:00:08 PM permalink
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Does anyone remember how long the Margaritaville casino was open in Biloxi? Maybe only 2 years? I'm asking because I just saw that the Scarlet Pearl is not doing a car giveaway in June



Hmmm...

I wouldn't use a car giveaway as indicating "a rough time financially." Margaritaville had many problems... BIG problems IMHO. The Margaritaville Casino (MC) in Biloxi suffered from many design flaws, flaws not present at Scarlet Pearl (SP):

  • MC had no hotel, even though it tried (but the effort fell apart). Quite a nice hotel at SP (and my understanding is a second hotel tower is next on SP's expansion list).
  • Terribly small buffet at MC. While the SP buffet isn't the greatest, it is much better than MC's could dream of being.
  • The MC cashier/player info center had no space for a line, and (unknown to me until I stood in line "forever") there was a different -- hidden -- line if you wanted to cash in casino chips. SP has space around its Cashier and a well-structured line at the player info center. The SP line did overflow on the first full day of operation, but only on that one day in my experience.
  • MC went out of its way to cater to bus tours. Thirty minutes after buses arrived or before they left no one could get to the cashier because the bus patrons were there, and the line was so long it would disrupt a gambler's ability to move around the casino floor. SP has buses, but I have never seen the "disruption" like bus tours caused at MC.
  • At MC you parked your car in the hot summer sun. At first, that was a problem at SP, but the new parking garage fixed that.
  • MC had a very limited selection of table games, and some not open at all until afternoon. SP has a wide selection of table games, and -- while not all open before noon -- the early morning selection is pretty good. And, SP has opened a table (closing an empty BJ table) after I asked when a particular game would open.


And, you're suggesting financial problems because of American car giveaways, instead of high-end luxury cars? Possible. But, not likely IMHO. SP is trying to do things right. MC was the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
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May 15th, 2017 at 12:50:04 PM permalink
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And, you're suggesting financial problems because of American car giveaways, instead of high-end luxury cars? Possible. But, not likely IMHO. SP is trying to do things right. MC was the gang that couldn't shoot straight.



Very good insight Lucky, Thanks! I was just trying to compare some recent marketing spending since MGC doesn't publish monthly revenue amounts for individual casinos (at least nothing I could find)...It was merely an observation that they stopped with the "high-end" vehicle giveaways....or maybe it's because the SP's patrons are not as "high-end" as say the Beau or IP.
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May 15th, 2017 at 12:57:29 PM permalink
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..or maybe it's because the SP's patrons are not as "high-end" as say the Beau or IP.



Yup, think that's your answer. And probably why I hardly frequent those two establishments!
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May 16th, 2017 at 5:39:05 AM permalink
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Very good insight Lucky, Thanks! ... It was merely an observation that they stopped with the "high-end" vehicle giveaways



I'm don't know anything about how the dollars work out between casinos and automobile dealerships when promotional offers feature a car as the prize. I always thought the casino was given a "really great" price in return for taking a car -- even an upscale, full-featured car -- that the dealer wanted off the lot. Just my guess. (But, if someone understands how these "deals" work, I sure would like to know!)

Given that, I don't want to suggest Scarlet Pearl isn't wrestling with its finances. Staff there told me that no one -- from the top to the bottom -- received bonuses last year because the funds were needed for construction of the parking garage. Seems understandable to me. (But, in no way comparable to Margaritaville Casino.)
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May 16th, 2017 at 7:00:32 AM permalink
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I'm don't know anything about how the dollars work out between casinos and automobile dealerships when promotional offers feature a car as the prize. I always thought the casino was given a "really great" price in return for taking a car -- even an upscale, full-featured car -- that the dealer wanted off the lot. Just my guess. (But, if someone understands how these "deals" work, I sure would like to know!)

Given that, I don't want to suggest Scarlet Pearl isn't wrestling with its finances. Staff there told me that no one -- from the top to the bottom -- received bonuses last year because the funds were needed for construction of the parking garage. Seems understandable to me. (But, in no way comparable to Margaritaville Casino.)



Typically for car giveaways, the casino has a deal in place (settled on amount) with the dealership if the winner wants the car. Then if the winner says yes to the car, the casino gives the dealership the settled on amount and the winner picks what they want and has to pay the applicable taxes. If the winner doesn't want the car, then the casino usually has a "free play" option of less than the car amount (i.e. if they had $50k settled on for the car, then they might offer the winner $35k in free play) and the winner doesn't pay any taxes. Sometimes, a third option is giving with the winner getting a cash sum, which is usually much less than even the free play (i.e. might be $20K cash), but the winner pays taxes on it. In rare instances, the casino already purchased the vehicles so the winner has to take the vehicle but the casino will pay the applicable taxes.

For your second point, I know that the gulf coast market is already saturated with casinos, so hopefully the SP can survive....
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May 16th, 2017 at 11:15:58 AM permalink
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I know that the gulf coast market is already saturated with casinos, so hopefully the SP can survive....



Yup, the Mississippi Gulfcoast has about a dozen casinos, but I'm not sure it's "saturated." Apparently more Gulfcoast casinos are on the way. Some may not survive, but IMHO it won't be because of saturation.

I think Las Vegas meets the criteria for being "saturated" with casinos. Rather than working harder to have happy customers, casinos there determined most players are clueless about gaming and will endure whatever poor service the casinos dish out. Locals and players who understand the games better are told, "Too bad. You are such toast." At least, that seems to be the impression I get from WoV members posting about Las Vegas casinos and the gaming they provide.

Not sure why folks fly to Las Vegas when the cost to fly to New Orleans is probably about the same. Drive 1.5 hours east from New Orleans, and players have casinos falling all over one another with generous offers for rooms, food, drinks, and gaming, all in a small-town environment with no snarled traffic, no fees to park, reasonable payback, and free valet at even the smallest casinos. I think they call it, "Southern hospitality," something apparently missing in Las Vegas.
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May 16th, 2017 at 11:34:56 AM permalink
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MGC doesn't publish monthly revenue amounts for individual casinos (at least nothing I could find)...



Sad, but true. Mississippi Gaming Commission provides revenue data by substate "regions." Some data is available for each individual casino (for example, count of table games by type).

But nothing as detailed as states like Iowa, where Table Drop and Table Revenue are shown by casino on a month-to-month basis. Where a casino has, for example, only one table of a given type -- craps, MS Stud, whatever -- the data show a per-table data breakdown, something not generally available from most states. I absolutely love the crunch of granular data. Mmmm...
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May 16th, 2017 at 7:01:49 PM permalink
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Typically for car giveaways, the casino has a deal in place (settled on amount) with the dealership if the winner wants the car. Then if the winner says yes to the car, the casino gives the dealership the settled on amount and the winner picks what they want and has to pay the applicable taxes. If the winner doesn't want the car, then the casino usually has a "free play" option of less than the car amount



From my experience the patrons only choose the car about 10% of the time if there is a cash option.

About 20 years ago I won a car when Stations Casinos was doing their Car A Day in May promotion. I had a choice of a low end mustang, Taurus, or an F150. I chose the cash option which at the time was $13,000.
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May 17th, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM permalink
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From my experience the patrons only choose the car about 10% of the time if there is a cash option.

About 20 years ago I won a car when Stations Casinos was doing their Car A Day in May promotion. I had a choice of a low end mustang, Taurus, or an F150. I chose the cash option which at the time was $13,000.



Nice win! Casinos now also give free play options as well because it minimizes their risk (have to run it through a slot machine) and also the patrons don't have to pay any upfront taxes...
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May 17th, 2017 at 2:06:04 PM permalink
Has anybody heard anything about the next casino to be built in south Mississippi?
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May 17th, 2017 at 2:29:50 PM permalink
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Has anybody heard anything about the next casino to be built in south Mississippi?



Construction start on this is overdue...

http://msbusiness.com/2015/03/rotate-black-rotates-back-with-perfect-size-casino-plan/

This is likely next:

http://www.sunherald.com/news/business/casino-gambling/article82215097.html
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May 17th, 2017 at 2:38:31 PM permalink
The cars are usually part of the dealer's floor plan inventory and are really just part of an advertising display. Even if the winner opts for the car he is rarely obligated to take the color and configuration that was displayed and need not even take actual delivery at the casino but will often be asked to pose for dealer/casino advertising purposes.

I don't know if switching from exotic foreign cars to domestic USA cars makes much difference, many USA cars are merely assembled here from largely imported engines and drive trains. It might be more of a demographics recognition. If your clientele is working class your offer potatoes not Pomme de Terre.

Next casino? I'm sure the chamber of commerce's press release file will give you that.
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May 18th, 2017 at 12:07:17 AM permalink
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Construction start on this is overdue...

http://msbusiness.com/2015/03/rotate-black-rotates-back-with-perfect-size-casino-plan/

This is likely next:

http://www.sunherald.com/news/business/casino-gambling/article82215097.html



Seen that in the past, haven't seen or heard of any activity.
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May 21st, 2017 at 5:57:27 AM permalink
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... I just saw that the Scarlet Pearl is not doing a car giveaway in June (only doing a riding lawnmower and some steaks) and the past couple months they gave away just domestic cars (Ford, Chevy, etc.)....and if I remember correctly, I think the Margaritaville casino did the same thing (stopped giving away luxury cars) due to them have a rough time financially. Am I way off from thinking this?



Well, since you asked, here's the scoop:

On 22-Apr-2017 Scarlet Pearl gave away a Lincoln MKC (value $32K+). The scheduled car giveaway for 21-May-2017 (later today) is a Chevrolet Spark (value $13.5K+). So, yes, Scarlet Pearl does seem to be giving away "just domestic" cars.

So, you report the casino plans to give away a riding lawn mower in June (just as everyone's lawn is turning into a forest and the old mower seems hard to start). Could be they are in deep financial doo-doo (Lincoln - Chevy - mower). Or, it could be they are shrewd like a fox, hmmm?
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May 21st, 2017 at 11:32:23 AM permalink
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