Kerkebet
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January 20th, 2015 at 10:56:06 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

It's part of the moral fiber decay that often affects dealers.


People become bored with...
Quote: Keyser

Yes, it's outrageous, like counting cards, hole carding, edge sorting, and shuffle tracking.

Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
AxelWolf
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January 20th, 2015 at 11:51:33 AM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

People become bored with...

I think its more than that.

Sometimes people are just miserable due to the crappie life they lead. You can usually tell within minutes (sometime just by looking) what kind of an attitude they will have. If someone has a nice life outside of work, generally they are nicer.

The problem with some Vegas dealers...Well this is Vegas(it can be a rough place to live), many of them gamble daily and lose. Many have gambling, alcohol problems and whatever other Vegas vices you can think of.

Many think they have a better chance to win then all the suckers because they work at a casino . They probably get pissed seeing so many rich people win and lose thousands everyday, while they sit and service everyone.

Many are arrogant and feel entitled. Everytime they collect a tip, they feel they deserve it. Everytime they get stiffed, its like a tiny dagger in the heart making an already miserable person more hateful towards anyone who they believe has more than they do.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
mcallister3200
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January 20th, 2015 at 1:08:38 PM permalink
Delete, questionable although true shot.
FleaStiff
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January 20th, 2015 at 1:30:54 PM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

i assure you it was much more then 60k,

Sixty thousand is what they can charge them with because that is what they have on film when ALL cameras were focused on them from ALL angles. Prior to that one, two or three days of filming, they probably only noticed the table was short or something.
sc15
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January 20th, 2015 at 1:38:07 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Sixty thousand is what they can charge them with because that is what they have on film when ALL cameras were focused on them from ALL angles. Prior to that one, two or three days of filming, they probably only noticed the table was short or something.



You don't need all angles to charge and convict someone.

To charge someone you just need probable cause.

To convict you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. 1 camera angle showing him putting up 5 yellow chips and getting 2 flags in return (or whatever the crooked transaction was) would satisfy both requirements.
FleaStiff
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January 20th, 2015 at 1:49:58 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Sometimes people are just miserable due to the crappie life they lead.
Many have gambling, alcohol problems and whatever other Vegas vices you can think of.
Many are arrogant and feel entitled.



Think of the Luggage Lugger doing a dead run. (Pick up luggage from one room and take it to a different room). No tip because you never see the occupant of either room, its usually a high roller who was given an inadequate room for one night and is being moved to a better room as soon as its available.

Yes, you lift and carry and its not just no tip but not even a thank you or eyeful of shapely legs or anything! You open each room with your card and the computer records how many seconds each door was open. If someone wrote the ticket wrong and luggage is removed in error the occupant can complain that not only did the luggage get stolen but the chips/cash she had out in plain view was stolen also.

Do the Luggage Luggers worry? Not usually. It goes with the job, their card will show they were in the room fifteen seconds, they have hobbies and friends at work and friends outside of work. They have union jobs and they have some measure of seniority as security.

Dealers however tend to have no defenses. If they spot something and report it... they will be investigated as well. If someone else accuses them, they have no real defense. The casino has the film, they don't. Many dealers due to tips and shift work have marginal lives. One paycheck from bankruptcy might be normal for alot of people but dealers can have a run of bad hours, bad tables and overall low tokes. Its like a bank teller desperate for ten dollars who is handling thousands a day. Temptation can be present because opportunity is always there.

Think of that One Spin Entire Life Savings roulette scene. Its no accident that the casino used its oldest and most trusted croupier.
FleaStiff
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January 20th, 2015 at 1:57:31 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

You don't need all angles to charge and convict someone.
To charge someone you just need probable cause.

Quite true but I would assume the casino wanted to get these crooks and get them but good. No floor person escaping due to momentary lapse of alertness or anything. They wanted all three and wanted them to swing, rather than get off with some good mouthpiece.

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