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Lucky
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March 3rd, 2014 at 1:23:07 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

You got paid 10-1 on an instant winner? I thought that the payouts were 7-1 and 1-1 for the instant winners. Are there different paytables? Or was this dealer error?


The payout for a stiff pair on Lucky Stiff in the Mulligan 21 game is 7:1; it is 10:1 for the bet with regular blackjack. AcesandEights was playing the bet on a regular blackjack table. The difference, of course, is the significantly higher hit/push rate of Lucky Stiff for Mulligan 21.
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Paradigm
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March 3rd, 2014 at 2:19:30 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

I played the bet just last night, at a table that allowed surrender on the main bet. My Lucky Stiff bet lost, which makes sense since I didn't "Beat the Dealer" as the rack card specifies. However, it seems like this should be spelled out in the regulations somewhere, or specifically disallowed on the main bet by the operator. FWIW, they allowed surrender at the other BJ table that was open.


I think I missed A&E by one night, I was at Casino Caribbean on Saturday late (11:30-2AM). Action was pretty good with most players making the Lucky Stiff wager, and mainly red action despite the dollar min for Lucky Stiff.
jon
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March 4th, 2014 at 7:08:49 PM permalink
Lucky and Paradigm, congratulations!! Sorry for the delayed congrats, I've been buried in my work this year.

My advice is, if you want to guarantee your game's success, just make sure it is dealt by the same dealer you had at the Raving conference! ;)
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March 4th, 2014 at 7:35:22 PM permalink
Quote: jon

Lucky and Paradigm, congratulations!! Sorry for the delayed congrats, I've been buried in my work this year.

My advice is, if you want to guarantee your game's success, just make sure it is dealt by the same dealer you had at the Raving conference! ;)

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Paradigm
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March 4th, 2014 at 7:45:26 PM permalink
Quote: jon

Lucky and Paradigm, congratulations!! Sorry for the delayed congrats, I've been buried in my work this year.

My advice is, if you want to guarantee your game's success, just make sure it is dealt by the same dealer you had at the Raving conference! ;)


Thanks for the kind words! Good thought on Angela.....the problem is she won't move to WA or Mississippi :-).
Lucky
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March 5th, 2014 at 6:59:40 AM permalink
Thanks Jon and Eliot. We can only dream that Lucky Stiff will be as appealing to players as Angela!!!
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kijani
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March 8th, 2014 at 2:19:01 AM permalink
First off congrats on getting this game in! I am a casino dealer in the Seattle area and literally live right down the road from Caribbean, and was intrigued when I visited tonight and saw the new game (didn't try it, wanted to look up the HE first). It really is refreshing to see a house take a chance on a game with a lower HE, as far as BJ side bets go 4% might as well be even money with the high prevalence of 24% Lucky Ladies in the area (that is all my casino has, and most of the cardrooms near us).

I sat at a nearby table (pai gow) for about 1.5 hours from 8-9:30pm on Friday night and surprisingly the table had very limited play, only a few customers, with one playing quarters on the hand and $5-$10 on the side bet from what I observed, and he got killed rather quickly with a bad run of cards.

But if I had to pick any cardroom to break a new game in, Caribbean would be the one, as money flows through that place like water (due to the location they get a lot of the clientele from Microsoft, about 15 minutes away, Google in downtown Kirkland, etc) and those players would be the ones who would not shy away from trying a new game (unlike the 80% Asian clientele at my place who only stick to baccarat and pai gow). I know as a dealer I would really enjoy that game because of the frequent pays, and the double pays (impossible to win the "stiff" bonus without winning the hand, kind of like Bust Bonus BJ)

I'll definitely give it a shot next time I visit and give it a review from a player's perspective. Hope it works out and thrives like Free Bet!
Paradigm
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March 8th, 2014 at 8:28:49 AM permalink
Thanks for the report Kijani! The HE as you have seen above is 4.35% when playing basic BJ strategy. We have noticed BJ players adjusting their BJ strategy in an attempt to not bust their stiff hands (i.e. not hitting theiir 14-16 against 7 or higher dealer upcard). All I can tell you is don't adjust your play :-).

Those Lucky Ladies tables are the targets for new LS installs. However, as I tell properties on sales calls. If you can get your players to play Lucky Ladies at a 24% HE, why change? Call me when you player participation drops below 10%. We have seen properties pulling Lucky Ladies out due to participation issues (Tulalip & Snoqualmie were exclusive with LL, now it is gone entirely). Players burn out playing against such a high HE....they feel it!

You are right about Casino Caribbean, it is a great place to break in a new game. Mgmt was one of the first places in WA to try Free Bet, I believe back in November of 2012. That is way before anyone in the state saw the potential of that game. I also know some of their deal staff drive/live over an hour away to work there. The mgmt seems to be smart not only about their games but also about running a room where dealers want to work.

Was the location of the Lucky Stiff table towards the back of the room/pit furthest from the entrance? What did the Bust Bonus/Lucky Ladies/BJ Tie and other BJ table traffic look like?

Friday is usually a big night for Caribbean although I am normally there from about 9PM - ? when I have visited in the past on a weekend night.

Lucky Stiff will definitely add volatility to your BJ experience as your bet tends to win or lose with your main bet (not always due to the 10-1 stiff pairs). If you are winning hands where you are dealt a stiff to start, it is fairly likely you are having a good session on your main action and the opposite is also true.

The LS bet is a $1 min at Caribbean at a $5 main bet min table but I did observe red betting action on the Lucky Stiff alongside $10-$15 main bet action last Saturday night with only one of 5 players using whites (late, at like midnight - 1AM). I suggest a bet ratio of 5/2 (main to LS) as one that will give you the best first time experience. That being said, the bet was designed with a hit rate (17.6%) and a max pay 10-1 occurring every 58 hands to be a $5 min bet on a $10 or higher limit BJ table.

Please keep the field reports coming & the next time I am up in WA I'll shoot you a PM if you want to meet up at Caribbean.
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March 8th, 2014 at 11:38:33 AM permalink
Quote: kijani

First off congrats on getting this game in! I am a casino dealer in the Seattle area and literally live right down the road from Caribbean, and was intrigued when I visited tonight and saw the new game (didn't try it, wanted to look up the HE first). It really is refreshing to see a house take a chance on a game with a lower HE, as far as BJ side bets go 4% might as well be even money with the high prevalence of 24% Lucky Ladies in the area (that is all my casino has, and most of the cardrooms near us).

I sat at a nearby table (pai gow) for about 1.5 hours from 8-9:30pm on Friday night and surprisingly the table had very limited play, only a few customers, with one playing quarters on the hand and $5-$10 on the side bet from what I observed, and he got killed rather quickly with a bad run of cards.

But if I had to pick any cardroom to break a new game in, Caribbean would be the one, as money flows through that place like water (due to the location they get a lot of the clientele from Microsoft, about 15 minutes away, Google in downtown Kirkland, etc) and those players would be the ones who would not shy away from trying a new game (unlike the 80% Asian clientele at my place who only stick to baccarat and pai gow). I know as a dealer I would really enjoy that game because of the frequent pays, and the double pays (impossible to win the "stiff" bonus without winning the hand, kind of like Bust Bonus BJ)

I'll definitely give it a shot next time I visit and give it a review from a player's perspective. Hope it works out and thrives like Free Bet!


Appreciate your comments and observations, kijani ... always nice to hear from a dealer, who can be a game developer's best ally - or worst enemy!!!

Believe me when I say that Lucky Stiff was designed not only to appeal to BJ players, but to be dealer-friendly as well.

Thanks for the well wishes, and look forward to your 'player' review.
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March 8th, 2014 at 3:11:35 PM permalink
Quote: kijani

First off congrats on getting this game in! I am a casino dealer in the Seattle area


Out of curiosity, where do you deal? Obviously if you don't feel comfortable answering, don't :).
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