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In simple term, what was "new math?"
| February 10th, 2010 at 8:58:36 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 153 Posts: 2913 | When I got to school in the mid 70s I always heard from the adults, "they are teaching you 'new math.'" Later in high school I asked a math teacher, who was just a sub that day and blowing off time in PASCAL class, about "new math." Her reply was, "We have had 2 or so "new new maths" ago. Doesn't answer the question. I've looked it up in wikapedia and seen that it involves "set theory" and do remember some first-grade "set" problems involving circling like sets. I still don't quite grasp it all. I'm not an idiot but was wondering if some of you math folks could describe what "new math" was. Maybe some of you were older than 10 like I was when exposed to it all. "The Roman Empire wasn't planned, but neither did it 'just happen.'" |
| February 10th, 2010 at 9:24:51 AM permalink | |
| Mosca Member since: Dec 14, 2009 Threads: 74 Posts: 1628 | I'm not a math type, but I was taught New Math; I remember a teacher referring to it that way, probably in 5th grade, which would have been 65/66, the first year we had a separate math teacher. Keep in mind, that was a REALLY LONG TIME AGO for personal memories. I'm 55 now, I was 11 then. As a personal memory, not from looking around the internet, I remember Miss McCarthy ending lessons with, "What does this teach us?" Or, "What have we learned from this?" Those were probably moments where we all sat there wondering what the heck we were supposed to say, but I don't really remember. I do remember that we got taught sets after we'd already learned basic arithmetic; sets seemed really simple and dumb. They were introduced as a way to understand arithmetic. The relationship to higher mathematics wasn't really introduced, they were just another thing to learn. I do recall one school year ending right as we started getting into some higher concept, I don't remember what it was; 7th grade, Mrs Garcia. I always thought that she'd dragged the lessons out to end there because she didn't understand anything beyond that. 8th grade started with simple algebra, and diagramming equations. I don't know if diagramming equations was part of before new math, but I thought it was really cool that a circle could be shown as an equation. Math was always math, New Math was a way of teaching it. NO KILL I |
| February 10th, 2010 at 9:47:22 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 12 Posts: 2533 | The only "new math" I remember is the comedy from Tom Lehrer, which was on some comedy album when I was a kid.
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| February 10th, 2010 at 11:19:29 AM permalink | |
| FleaStiff Member since: Oct 19, 2009 Threads: 75 Posts: 4835 | New math was largely a term for set theory. Sets have been morphed into crisp sets and fuzzy sets. Fuzzy being a determinant of set membership based upon semantic concepts such as "large number" or "close" or the like. The "set" of people in a room might include people standing in the doorway or people who've just left the room or who are usually in that room but are not now. This embraces concepts of probability as to existence of a member of a set. I never understood new math. I taught myself algebra and so that school year they thought I knew what I was doing. One complex question stumped most members of the class, I had, as usual, not done the homework but when called upon I correctly guessed "n equals minus two-thirds" which astounded the whole class and most certainly astounded me! The only problem with mathematics was, as always, the math teachers and the absolute boredom of school. |
| February 10th, 2010 at 12:25:35 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Nov 11, 2009 Threads: 218 Posts: 7297 | I recall first learning about sets in pre-school (seriously). It was so simple I never again took sets seriously, until I encountered them again in college. Those were devilish problems involving multiple sets intersecting in various ways. What I learned about math and school in general is that a good teacher trumps nearly everything else. One math teacher I had tore up the curriculum for that year and re-ordered it so it made logical sense. That was my best year at math This space is closed for remodeling |
| February 11th, 2010 at 8:30:13 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 153 Posts: 2913 |
OK, I've read about "set theory" a few times and I remember in first and second grade or so looking at "sets." We would "circle" the "empty sets" which were groups of nothing. Or circle how many cats, how many kittens, how many cats with kittens. Nonsense like that. But what is (was?) so good about this idea? I can se its use for marketing purposes-say I want to know how many people in my Las Vregas casino "Arizona Duffman's" who are sports bettors AND poker players but not BJ players to market them to the more profitable BJ tables since they are gamblers. Now, is this a good example of "set theory?" If it is, why on earth is (was) this so important that they built a "new math" around it? Yes, I know "new math" didn't work and it is unlikely that any "new math" will ever beat the way we teach arithmitic now. But from the prespective back then, why in simple terms, was this thought a good idea, other than to sell new textbooks? "The Roman Empire wasn't planned, but neither did it 'just happen.'" |
| February 11th, 2010 at 8:57:55 AM permalink | |
| stephen Member since: Jan 5, 2010 Threads: 1 Posts: 28 | I'm not a math guy, but my understanding of the idea behind New Math was to introduce children to the abstract underpinnings of math first, before the more concrete applications. Basically, one approach to mathematics is to say it's just a particular application of logical principles, one of many formal systems. A formal system is a logical system that has precisely defined symbols, axioms, and rules. From the starting definitions, you can build out increasingly complex theorems that will eventually give you all the rules of mathematics. Set theory is integral to defining mathematics formally, hence its emphasis in the curriculum. New Math was also trying to get across the notion that math as most people know it is just a very small portion of the study of math. So there is nothing special about our representation of a number, hence the inclusion of math in other bases besides 10 -- once again, trying to get children to think very abstractly about mathematical and logical concepts. I can kind of see why the idea would hold appeal, because most adults (even the educated ones) have a very limited understanding of the nature of math and logical systems. If you can teach them early on higher concepts, then it might be easier to teach them the specific applications. However as we learned it didn't work particularly well. |
| February 11th, 2010 at 10:11:34 AM permalink | |
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 547 Posts: 6223 | It was a host of ideas that were introduced into grade school teaching in the 1960's after it was apparent that the Russian schoolchildren were more advanced than American ones. ======= Of course some Eastern European countries like Russia, Ukraine and especially Hungary had been excelling in math education for one hundred years. ======= A lot of concepts were introduced but some got more attention than others. "Set theory" has always been singled out. It's interesting to note that the Nazi's hated set theory and would murder the professors by tossing them off balconies. It was termed "Jewish mathematics" especially because of it's association with Cantor. The idea of mathematics being controversial goes way back in history to the Greeks who believed that irrational numbers went against God's will. When they discovered that the diagonal of a unit square was irrational (sqrt(2) in modern language), they tried to hush it up. There is a famous story of a man who threatened to reveal the truth on a boat, and was drowned by his friends. Ultimately the unwillingness of Greeks to accept irrational numbers killed their advancement in mathematics. ======= Before "new math" people probably didn't routinely say "decimal" since they didn't know any other base systems. You didn't have binary and octal. The only exposure to non-decimal systems was monetary in the British system of pounds and pence or the old Spanish system of pieces of eight (two bits equals a quarter). ======== General abstract algebra principles like commutative and transitive were introduced since they were of such importance to modern physics. These concepts were subject to some of the greatest ridicule. ======== I find it interesting that most people with a high school education in mathematics are familiar with the terms arc, secant, and tangent and complementary angles from geometry, and at the same time they are familiar with sine, secant, tangent, and cosine, ... but they have no idea why the same words are used for trigonometry as for geometry. Wine loved I deeply, dice dearly -Edgar, betrayed son of Gloucester in King Lear |
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