In between sidebet bj
February 5th, 2010 at 2:13:05 PM
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I ran into a new sidebet in a blackjack game and was wondering what the house edge was. In addition to the house edge what would be the optimum count have to be to lessen the edge and gain an advantage if there is one. You put out a sidebet of 1-50 dollars per hand betting that the dealer's up card is between your two. If he matches yours it pays 30-1, if the one between 12-1, two between 6-1, three between 4-1 and finally any between 1-1. Any insight or help would be appreciated. Thanks
February 5th, 2010 at 2:23:22 PM
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How many decks? May I ask where you saw it? I tend to think it isn't countable, but I can at least give the house edge if I know the number of decks.
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February 5th, 2010 at 2:25:37 PM
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Sounds like an adaptation of Red Dog (Acey Ducey).
But there are additional possibilities that need to be considered.
What if your two cards are consecutive? What if they are paired?
Is that dealer match payoff if they are paired, or not, or doesn't matter? It SHOULD matter, if you're paired and he matches, it should pay more than a match of either non-paired card.
But there are additional possibilities that need to be considered.
What if your two cards are consecutive? What if they are paired?
Is that dealer match payoff if they are paired, or not, or doesn't matter? It SHOULD matter, if you're paired and he matches, it should pay more than a match of either non-paired card.
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February 6th, 2010 at 8:42:33 AM
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I get an ev of -0.030797884962369 assuming 8 decks and me and excel are having a good day.
This and other side bets can be found in my google docs side bets
| Event | Combinations | Probability | Pays | Return |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| trips | 386880 | 0.005412956172516 | 30 | 0.16238868517548 |
| 1 spread | 720896 | 0.010086275984652 | 12 | 0.12103531181583 |
| 2 spread | 1310720 | 0.018338683608458 | 6 | 0.11003210165075 |
| 3 spread | 1769472 | 0.024757222871419 | 4 | 0.099028891485675 |
| 4+ spread | 14942208 | 0.20906099313643 | 1 | 0.20906099313643 |
| loser | 52342784 | 0.73234386822653 | -1 | -0.73234386822653 |
| Total | 71472960 | 1 | -0.030797884962369 |
This and other side bets can be found in my google docs side bets
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February 7th, 2010 at 12:39:24 PM
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Hi, in response to your query it's 8decks with the ace high. I would prefer not to mention the casino if you don't mind. I would gladly send you the location if you pm me if that's possible. Thanks.
February 12th, 2010 at 2:39:11 PM
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I agree with miplet's results. I just added my own analysis to my blackjack appendix 8.
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February 12th, 2010 at 10:43:24 PM
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Why dont you want to mention it? I know side bets are sucker bets but it seems like a fun bet to make, is there even private messaging on this site?
October 25th, 2013 at 2:17:18 PM
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This side bet replaced Royal Match at the live BJ tables at MarylandLive.
Only the difference is the payouts are:
30-1
10-1
6-1
2-1
1-1
This is based on my recollection. I am sure of the 10-1 1-spread return. So, what is the EV like on this?
Only the difference is the payouts are:
30-1
10-1
6-1
2-1
1-1
This is based on my recollection. I am sure of the 10-1 1-spread return. So, what is the EV like on this?
October 26th, 2013 at 2:53:52 AM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffWhy dont you want to mention it?
Because they may be countable, and if they are you wouldn't want to read it here.
October 29th, 2013 at 3:47:32 AM
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Quote: UTHfanThis side bet replaced Royal Match at the live BJ tables at MarylandLive.
Only the difference is the payouts are:
30-1
10-1
6-1
2-1
1-1
This is based on my recollection. I am sure of the 10-1 1-spread return. So, what is the EV like on this?
8 decks
| Event | Combinations | Probability | Pays | Return |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| trips | 386880 | 0.005412956172516 | 30 | 0.162388685175485 |
| 1 spread | 720896 | 0.010086275984652 | 10 | 0.100862759846521 |
| 2 spread | 1310720 | 0.018338683608458 | 6 | 0.11003210165075 |
| 3 spread | 1769472 | 0.024757222871419 | 2 | 0.049514445742838 |
| 4+ spread | 14942208 | 0.209060993136425 | 1 | 0.209060993136425 |
| loser | 52342784 | 0.732343868226529 | -1 | -0.732343868226529 |
| Total | 71472960 | 1 | -0.100484882674511 |
6 decks
| Event | Combinations | Probability | Pays | Return |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| trips | 157872 | 0.005248418213878 | 30 | 0.157452546416347 |
| 1 spread | 304128 | 0.010110665187939 | 10 | 0.101106651879393 |
| 2 spread | 552960 | 0.018383027614435 | 6 | 0.110298165686611 |
| 3 spread | 746496 | 0.024817087279487 | 2 | 0.049634174558975 |
| 4+ spread | 6303744 | 0.209566514804561 | 1 | 0.209566514804561 |
| loser | 22014720 | 0.731874286899699 | -1 | -0.731874286899699 |
| Total | 30079920 | 1 | -0.103816233553813 |
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October 29th, 2013 at 7:03:08 AM
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it seems like any casino that had this back in 2010 has the 1 card as 12 to 1 but any new added tables are using 10-1. I have also seen the trip pay 25 to 1 instead of 30.
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October 29th, 2013 at 10:17:57 AM
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cool thanks. I think it was actually 4-1 for 3spread. But it still is about a 9% negative EV for this bet. It is fun to hit the 30-1. No wonder it feels like a chip drain. I only play it every few hands.
October 29th, 2013 at 10:50:34 AM
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This is another Ron LaDuca invention, I believe.....he developed Double Draw Poker that SHFL recently licensed. Pumping out some product that is getting installs and the attention of SHFL......well done!
