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Question about blackjack basic strategy cards

December 6th, 2011 at 7:56:57 AM permalink
joe
Member since: Dec 6, 2011
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I'm a new player with a few questions about the strategy cards. The state I live in doesn't have casinos, the neighboring states do, but only one is less than a day's drive. They use 6 decks, dealer hit on soft 16 and stand on 17; and the player can double on any cards with soft hands, double after split, not double after hit , resplit any cards, and no surrender allowed.

I ran a search finding a variety of cards for 1, 2, 4-8 decks; stand or hit on 17, DAS, etc. And read that cards need to be adjusted for the rules the casinos use. One site I found had a free strategy chart generator that asked for the following:

1. The exact number of decks used
2. Dealer hits or stands on soft 17
3. Double any cards, 9,10,11 only, or 10,11 only

4. Double soft hands is allowed
Double after hit is allowed
Double after split is allowed

5. Resplit any cards, all but aces, or no resplit

Does a basic strategy chart this specific offer any advantage over a chart for 4-8 decks, dealer stands on soft 17, and double after split. The casino changed their tables to have 7 players instead of 6. Does the number of hands being played effect the basic strategy chart and if so how do I change the chart to adjust for the number of hands being played?
December 6th, 2011 at 8:27:51 AM permalink
Ibeatyouraces
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Giving that the rules are the same, basic strategy is the same whether using 4,5,6,7, or 8 decks of cards. And the number of players has no effect on basic strategy.
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December 6th, 2011 at 8:29:18 AM permalink
rdw4potus
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There are some differences when the lesser rules are adjusted, for example you'll want to split 4s in some situations if and only if you can then double when appropriate. For the most part, the general strategy card will be good enough and you'll make maybe one "wrong" decision per playing session by using it. (more if surrender is allowed, then you'll very much want to surrender when appropriate)

The number of players doesn't affect the basic strategy, but it can help with some easy counting situations. Even if you aren't counting cards, it's good to know that if you've seen even 1 more small card than 10 come out you should stand on 16 against a face. You can approximate that count by looking at the cards on the table in the current hand, and a 7th player in the current hand only gives you more cards to look at.
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December 6th, 2011 at 8:29:31 AM permalink
FleaStiff
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I don't see how seven chairs versus six chairs would make a difference, especially since the average number is likely to be five players.

Your task is to know basic strategy for the game you are playing, not for the players around you.
December 6th, 2011 at 8:33:52 AM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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Note: Our own Wizard has a web page where you can select each rule, even the European No Dealer Peek for BJ rule, and get a printable strategy sheet:

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/calculator.html

And, no, there's no option to select the number of players - because it doesn't matter.
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December 6th, 2011 at 8:38:18 AM permalink
1BB
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Quote: joe
I'm a new player with a few questions about the strategy cards. The state I live in doesn't have casinos, the neighboring states do, but only one is less than a day's drive. They use 6 decks, dealer hit on soft 16 and stand on 17; and the player can double on any cards with soft hands, double after split, not double after hit , resplit any cards, and no surrender allowed.

I ran a search finding a variety of cards for 1, 2, 4-8 decks; stand or hit on 17, DAS, etc. And read that cards need to be adjusted for the rules the casinos use. One site I found had a free strategy chart generator that asked for the following:

1. The exact number of decks used
2. Dealer hits or stands on soft 17
3. Double any cards, 9,10,11 only, or 10,11 only

4. Double soft hands is allowed
Double after hit is allowed
Double after split is allowed

5. Resplit any cards, all but aces, or no resplit

Does a basic strategy chart this specific offer any advantage over a chart for 4-8 decks, dealer stands on soft 17, and double after split. The casino changed their tables to have 7 players instead of 6. Does the number of hands being played effect the basic strategy chart and if so how do I change the chart to adjust for the number of hands being played?


There are 6 changes to basic strategy when you go from S17 to H17 in multideck games and some of them may surprise you.

Go to Wizard of Odds at the bottom of this page to find all your answers.
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December 6th, 2011 at 8:52:26 AM permalink
Ibeatyouraces
Member since: Jan 12, 2010
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Posts: 919
Quote: 1BB
There are 6 changes to basic strategy when you go from S17 to H17 in multideck games and some of them may surprise you.
And boy do you get chastised by the ploppies when doubling A/8 vs 6 and A/7 vs 2 in the H17 games.
"Shut up Meg." Peter Griffin, Family Guy

 

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