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Why not double soft 19 against dealer 3-5
| November 2nd, 2011 at 5:32:09 PM permalink | |
| Username Member since: Nov 2, 2011 Threads: 1 Posts: 2 | If you had a 9 you would double against 3-6. It seems there is a better chance of improving your hand if you double on a soft 19 vs a 9. You have all the good cards doubling on a 9 offers (9,10,A) plus the 2 for a chance to make 21. The basic strategy cards only show doubling on soft 19 against a 6. Does anyone know why this is? Is there something obvious that I am missing. I am just trying to consider this logically. |
| November 2nd, 2011 at 6:35:39 PM permalink | |||||||||||||||||||
| ChesterDog Member since: Jul 26, 2010 Threads: 0 Posts: 199 |
Yes, the expected value (EV) of a doubled soft 19 is better than the EV of a doubled 9 because 19 + 2 = 21 whereas 9 + 2 = 11. However, don't compare soft 19 vs 9. The correct comparison to make is the EV of doubling soft 19 vs the EV of standing on 19. Here are some approximate EV's against various dealer up cards in a H17 (dealer hits soft 17) game:
Look at the row for the dealer's having a 3. The EV of doubling a soft 19 is 0.29, but the EV of standing on 19 is 0.40. So, you will make an average of 0.40-0.29=0.11 more by standing on this hand than by doubling it. Now, look at dealer's 6. What's your correct decision there? | ||||||||||||||||||
| November 3rd, 2011 at 12:49:18 AM permalink | |
| soulhunt79 Member since: Oct 8, 2010 Threads: 6 Posts: 147 |
Be a chicken and stay. :) |
| November 3rd, 2011 at 1:57:22 AM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Nov 9, 2009 Threads: 174 Posts: 2414 |
16 or less wins only if dealer busts, 17 sucks and loses most of the time, 18 is barely better; but 19 by itself is strong. If you take another card you clearly weaken your soft 19 hand a proportion of the time. With 9 you want more cards anyway, so the comparison is not good. "Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." Mark Twain |
| November 3rd, 2011 at 11:00:06 AM permalink | |
| dm Member since: Apr 29, 2010 Threads: 14 Posts: 699 |
YES, you are missing something. Never do something based on logic unless that's the best resource at hand! If the resource exists and you don't have it at hand.....................not advisable. |
| November 3rd, 2011 at 11:09:50 AM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5727 | Would you stand with a 9 vs any dealer up card? No. Never. But you WOULD stand with a 19. Ditto for a soft 19. It's a very strong hand. Leave it alone. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
But how much does it cost to knock on wood? |
| November 3rd, 2011 at 3:13:46 PM permalink | |
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 547 Posts: 6211 |
The mathematics of choosing the best option is not rocket science, but it is tedious. The Wizard was kind enough to make his spreadsheet for infinite number of decks available on his website. I would suggest that you download it and try and follow the mathematics. It isn't that difficult. For infinite decks the best choice is to stand with a soft 19 against all dealer cards. For a real game with less than infinite decks, there are some cases where you might double a soft 19. The entire point of doing the calculation mathematically, is that no human being can see through all the possibilities for every case and add up which one has the advantage. Go to Appendix 1 download the spreadsheet at the bottom of the page, and look at the formulas. He uses the results to develop the strategy boxes. Wine loved I deeply, dice dearly -Edgar, betrayed son of Gloucester in King Lear |
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