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When to cut losses in wrong way craps betting?
| September 10th, 2011 at 9:52:50 PM permalink | |
| bourbonstreet Member since: Dec 1, 2009 Threads: 1 Posts: 2 | I have had very good success in betting wrong at the $25 DP/DC max odds (5x) level (odds of 150 6/8, 180 5/9, 200 4/10...I know, for 4/10 its not max, but empirical data shows it is worth the lesser amount) with a $2K buy in, no more than 2 numbers in play at any one time, no more than 3 numbers per shooter to avoid chasing big red. This is the bedrock of my bankroll management plan. HOWEVER, the hole in the strategy seems to be when to quit when the table is hot and the wrong way is the wrong way. My estimate is that when the bankroll is down to one third of buy in, that's when I should seek another table or time. Statistically based opinions? |
| September 10th, 2011 at 10:04:37 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6405 | Unless you're playing a positive expectation game where you have the edge, there is no winning strategy. Its all just one long game where you end up losing to exactly the house edge. The math never lies. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| September 10th, 2011 at 11:41:03 PM permalink | |
| FleaStiff Member since: Oct 19, 2009 Threads: 75 Posts: 4827 | I wish you continued good luck then but I fear that three losses in succession and you will be at your stop-loss trigger point. And losing my first three rolls has happened all too often to me. |
| September 11th, 2011 at 12:37:40 AM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6405 |
It makes no difference. You just pick up where you left off, whether you believe it or not. You can't trick or fool the math in a negative expectation game. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| September 11th, 2011 at 8:26:55 AM permalink | |
| dwheatley Member since: Nov 16, 2009 Threads: 10 Posts: 550 | Statistically it doesn't matter (except the less you play, the better). I suppose you could choose not to place a bet you can't back up with odds, but otherwise, what Bob said. The higher you set your stop loss, the less you'll play, which is good. Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it |
| September 13th, 2011 at 4:13:04 PM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Nov 17, 2009 Threads: 113 Posts: 2047 | Mathematically, it makes no difference what has happened previously. However, consider halving your base bets after each loss, and pressing 50% of wins. This should stretch your playing time before you hit your stop loss, while allowing you to cash in on extended PSO streaks. |
| September 13th, 2011 at 4:24:27 PM permalink | |
| kp Member since: Feb 28, 2011 Threads: 7 Posts: 422 |
How do you trick or fool the math in a positive expectation game? |
| September 20th, 2011 at 5:44:23 PM permalink | |
| bourbonstreet Member since: Dec 1, 2009 Threads: 1 Posts: 2 | Bob, after reviewing all that the Wizard has taught me and your on point analysis, you are absolutely right. Hot/cold tables/shooters really don't matter. It's all the law of large numbers (Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling). Thank you muchly for clarifying my thinking on this matter. BTW, last weekend in AC was AWESOME. Hope this weekend is the same. If not, oh well. That's why they call it Gambling. |
| September 20th, 2011 at 6:08:02 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6405 |
If you're going to play/practice a lot, you'll eventually see it happening right in front of you. Think of it as a sine wave, with daily play represented by high peaks and valleys, and long term play represented by gentle ups and downs, almost a flat line, but not quite. I only think about the long term and ignore the peaks and valleys. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| September 20th, 2011 at 9:01:39 PM permalink | |
| buzzpaff Member since: Mar 8, 2011 Threads: 82 Posts: 2835 | hot/cold tables/shooters really don't matter. It's all the law of large numbers (Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling). That whirring sound you hear is John Patrick spinning in his grave. ' Buzz Paff |
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