NaturalEight
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October 4th, 2016 at 10:12:02 AM permalink
I don't understand how the blackjack played at MGM and Wynn is only a .09 game in Macau. The numbers are not adding up to me. With a shoe game, RSA, DA2, DAS, split to 4 hands, LS you have a .28 game.

Is the surrender E10 worth .18?

I'm confused how we are arriving at the figure of .09 in Macau?
NaturalEight
Joined: Jun 4, 2016
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October 4th, 2016 at 10:02:23 PM permalink
Bump? Anyone have any ideas? Eliot Jacobsen says that the figure of .09 is wrong as well
Hunterhill
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October 5th, 2016 at 4:19:49 AM permalink
I think es10 is worth .25 so that would make the game .03 I'm going from memory on that so i could be mistaken.
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Wizardofnothing
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October 5th, 2016 at 6:48:47 AM permalink
Where did Eliot say it was wrong?
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CrystalMath
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October 5th, 2016 at 8:09:01 AM permalink
Quote: NaturalEight

I don't understand how the blackjack played at MGM and Wynn is only a .09 game in Macau. The numbers are not adding up to me. With a shoe game, RSA, DA2, DAS, split to 4 hands, LS you have a .28 game.

Is the surrender E10 worth .18?

I'm confused how we are arriving at the figure of .09 in Macau?

Late surrender vs 10 = 0.07%
Early surrender vs 10 = 0.24%
Net change from your rules = 0.17%

This is for 8D, S17, but it will be pretty close regardless.
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NaturalEight
Joined: Jun 4, 2016
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October 6th, 2016 at 10:13:59 AM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Late surrender vs 10 = 0.07%
Early surrender vs 10 = 0.24%
Net change from your rules = 0.17%

This is for 8D, S17, but it will be pretty close regardless.

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This is the figure and my friends come up with as well as Eliot Jacobsen when I emailed and asked him. However the wizard of Macau has it listed at .09 at MGM and Wynn, and .16 at the worse rules place.

I cannot for the life of me figure out if WE are missing something or not. The wizard cannot be that stupid. I wish he could come here and explain how he gets the 0.09. Also it's not me just saying it it's advertised as being a 0.09 game on wizardofmacau and every resource seems to agree with his.
teliot
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
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October 6th, 2016 at 12:32:51 PM permalink
The edge of -0.167% I reported to you assumes NRSA.

With RSA I get -0.098%.
Last edited by: teliot on Oct 6, 2016
NaturalEight
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October 7th, 2016 at 6:20:48 AM permalink
Also apparently you have no limitations on splits
WinningWays
Joined: Mar 4, 2010
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October 8th, 2016 at 2:32:57 PM permalink
Are there now Blackjack shoe games in Macau? I scouted virtually everywhere when I visited Macau in April 2016 and couldn't find any! It was all CSMs. Have conditions changed?
KingoftheEye
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