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Most common games that cheaters frequent?
| March 30th, 2010 at 11:28:52 PM permalink | |
| Malaru Member since: Mar 22, 2010 Threads: 48 Posts: 159 | Outside of dealer error and card counting which I dont consider cheating as much as strategy... What games are the most often sought after by real cheaters that are just flat out comming crimes roulette, slots, blackjack, craps, poker, ect I know slots had its run for a long timw tih diffrent meathods and we all know of those that watched for roulete wheel bias (then again is not really cheating.. but im going to allowe it- the reaosn I dont want ot consider card counting is because if it was included it would be BJ by far I think.) Im thinking its either slots or roulette (with use of the wheel bias approach) "Although men flatter themselves with their great actions, they are not so often the result of a great design as of chance." - Francois De La Rochefoucauld |
| March 31st, 2010 at 3:29:25 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 12 Posts: 2533 | Comming crimes? The "Breaking Vegas" show had stories about how different games were cheated. It's like watching "Mayday" - a show about airplane crashes, in that "Breaking Vegas" also showed how the games were corrected to avoid the cheating, so the problems in these games no longer exist. In today's casinos, I can't think of many things that can be exploited. You can still "count" blackjack, but surveillance, dealers, and the pit bosses have a low level of tolerance for these things so the advantage is small. You can take advantage of dealer errors such as showing a card in the shoe in blackjack and then counting to that card. And I am sure there are undetected teams of players who still take advantage in counting schemes that have yet to be detected by casinos. I am sure too that past posting is still a popular cheat where you replace a small bet with a larger one when you know you've won. I would imagine that surveillance would catch on to that one fairly quickly. I don't think wheel bias exists any more for roulette as the games are made much better now that the bias is eliminated, but I am sure that people still try. In slots, most RNG issues that have been exploited have been resolved. I would think that any crime would involve pure theft of chips and slot tickets. -----
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| March 31st, 2010 at 3:59:09 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Feb 28, 2010 Threads: 69 Posts: 1214 | Casino promotions sometimes aren't always thought out very well. Most of what I've observed is petty theft at best, but it leads me to believe for someone dedicated to the task, there are probably more serious opportunties to cheat the casino than the standard age old games that people have already tried nearly every way to beat. |
| March 31st, 2010 at 6:45:41 AM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5737 | Playing at a biased Roulette wheel is not cheating. It is exploiting a weakness. Of course, it's often too difficult to discover if such a wheel exists to bother exploiting it. It's been pointed out on other threads that if you're playing three card poker and the dealer is exposing a card, you can use that to a great advantage. Personally, that's not cheating either, but exploiting a weakness. Cheating can include card swapping, past-post betting, bet capping, etc. You probably won't get away with it more than one or two times before the dealer gets suspicious. Personally, that's not worth the effort. Possibly the only place where cheating is hard to identify would be two poker players at the same table colluding in some manner. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
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| March 31st, 2010 at 7:44:05 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Nov 11, 2009 Threads: 218 Posts: 7297 | Also keep in mind if you're caught cheating you can be prosecuted and wind up in jail for a year or two. This space is closed for remodeling |
| March 31st, 2010 at 8:05:39 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 153 Posts: 2913 |
"Cheating" and "exploiting" are two different animals. If I find a biased roulette wheel that gives me an advantage that is hardly cheating. Heck, casinos sometimes put out pads so I can record the numbers! Card counting isn't cheating. If I can influence dice by a certain throw as long as it is within the rules (one hand, hit the alligator, etc) that is not cheating. OTOH, the best game to "cheat" to me would be PaiGow Poker. If you have two or even three people with fast hands you could swap cards. Unlike loaded dice which can still fail, this is an instant win. Anything you could past-post would be anoter candidate. I'd never try it, though I am that personality type that wants to figure a way just for the sake of it. "The Roman Empire wasn't planned, but neither did it 'just happen.'" |
| March 31st, 2010 at 12:23:17 PM permalink | |
| SplittingAA Member since: Nov 13, 2009 Threads: 3 Posts: 42 |
I'm sorry, what is "hit the alligator"? To answer the original question of "most common"; I think Dave hit the nail on the head with...
In reading Phil Gordon's Book POKER: The Real Deal I remember an anecdote about someone going to a 'friendly' card room to play some poker and saw an old friend of his working the door. The old friend warned the prospective player that the table that he was contemplating sitting at was full of a team just waiting for some unsuspecting prey to take the last open seat so that they could methodically remove him from his bankroll. Phil: I'm pretty sure that's illegal too.
Alan: Yeah, maybe after 9/11, where everybody got so sensitive. Thanks a lot, bin Laden. |
| March 31st, 2010 at 12:34:37 PM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5737 | The pyramids on the walls of the craps table resemble the back of an aligator. Don't feel bad. I never heard that expression either. It simply dawned upon me what was meant. When did I reveal my real name? Not that I mind or care that you know who I am, but using names other than the registered user name sometimes confuses people. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
But how much does it cost to knock on wood? |
| March 31st, 2010 at 12:50:27 PM permalink | |
| SplittingAA Member since: Nov 13, 2009 Threads: 3 Posts: 42 |
I'm Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. It's just that you leaked a myriad of info about yourself on the 99 Days thread remember? I have a habit of recalling obscure facts that most just glance over. I suppose I should curb my regurgitation of said facts, but I guess I like to show those that I am conversing with that I do pay attention to their comments and that I am not one of those people that spend the entire time thinking about what I'm going to say next while you talk.
Phil: I'm pretty sure that's illegal too.
Alan: Yeah, maybe after 9/11, where everybody got so sensitive. Thanks a lot, bin Laden. |
| March 31st, 2010 at 1:30:34 PM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5737 | No offense taken. Yeah, I remember that thread. You've got a good memory. The manner you used it, right above quoting me, was fine. My objection comes when people reference a user's real name without ANY means for other memebers to know which member is being named. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
But how much does it cost to knock on wood? |
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