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Race Game strategy
| November 28th, 2011 at 5:31:48 AM permalink | |
| Dween Member since: Jan 24, 2010 Threads: 42 Posts: 228 | On The Price Is Right, one of the older and more popular games is the Race Game. On the 40th season premiere, the game was played for a record-breaking four cars. For those unfamiliar, a quick rundown of the game play: Given 4 prizes and 4 price tags, place the appropriate tag to the matching prize. You will be shown how many matches are correct, but not which ones. 45 seconds are allotted to make as many changes necessary to get 4 matches. Contestants tend to make 2 to 4 guesses per game. The Question: Assume you have no idea what price goes on what prize. What is the best strategy to win given the time constraint? How would you handle swapping price tags if after your first guess, you had 0, 1 or 2 right? -Dween! |
| November 28th, 2011 at 6:01:41 AM permalink | |
| miplet Member since: Dec 1, 2009 Threads: 3 Posts: 552 | They took that video down. Here is a new link. Working on a strategy. |
| November 28th, 2011 at 10:02:35 AM permalink | |
| slyther Member since: Feb 1, 2010 Threads: 8 Posts: 385 | :45 not very long to have a full blown strategy. How many pulls is the max you can get in? 5? It's not like Bonkers where you could get in at least a dozen. |
| November 28th, 2011 at 12:22:19 PM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5727 | This is the game of MasterMind, but limited to four colors without repeats. My personal strategy is this: After the first pull, regardless of how many were right, I'd switch only A & B. Note that the results cannot both be 2 or 3 right, nor 1 then 3, nor 3 then 1. If both results were zero, then switch the two pairs. If both results were 1, either C or D was correct. Do a three-way swap. If the results were 0 then 2, A & B are now right, switch C & D. If the results were 2 then 0, A & B are originally were right, switch both pairs. If the results were 1 then 2, one if each pair are now right. Switch one from each pair. If the results were 2 then 1, one if each pair were right. Switch A & B back, then switch one from each pair. From this point, consider just the last result and the prior result, and use the rules above. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
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| November 28th, 2011 at 1:19:21 PM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Nov 17, 2009 Threads: 113 Posts: 2047 |
Are the prices and items so close that you would really have no initial idea what goes where (or at least what doesn't go somewhere)? What is the typical range of prices? |
| November 28th, 2011 at 2:26:59 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 313 Posts: 6783 | I have tried working on this problem off and on over the years and have never perfected an optimal strategy. Considering it is a fairly simple game, I'm not proud to admit that. Perhaps it is time to take another crack at it. It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| November 28th, 2011 at 2:40:27 PM permalink | |
| Dween Member since: Jan 24, 2010 Threads: 42 Posts: 228 | You know, there are sometimes prizes that are the "obvious" low or high... sometimes there's a large spread, others not. But they have also been using more "exotic" prizes with wildly ranging prices that are hard to peg. Try this: I picked a random Race Game youtube clip (a recent one). Price tags: $849 $1475 $2497 $3600. (That's a wide spread!) Prizes were: 55" Samsung 3D LCD TV 3-speed riding lawn mower LG All-in-one Washer Dryer An "impressive" treadmill Are the answers obvious? Maybe you need to watch the clip to visualize the prizes. Even still, could you do it in one go? Highlight below for answers 3D TV: $3600 Mower: $849.. Washer/Dryer: $1475 Treadmill: $2497 -Dween! |
| November 28th, 2011 at 3:24:19 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 313 Posts: 6783 | Okay, I've been working on this. My strategy is rather complicated, and would certainly be difficult to implement under the pressure of the show, but the expected number of turns is 3.58333. I can say that with every guess under my strategy the player will have a chance of getting all four right. Here are the odds of each number of turns required 1 4.17% 2 12.50% 3 29.17% 4 33.33% 5 16.67% 6 4.17% It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| November 28th, 2011 at 6:20:25 PM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Nov 17, 2009 Threads: 113 Posts: 2047 |
I didn't watch the video, but I missed all four on my initial guess. However, I think I would have corrected myself in two more turns. I know the TV was one of two, and the washer was one of two, so that was an easy fix. The others I would have guessed, and if wrong, switched. Do you think the yelling from the audience helps any of the players? |
| November 28th, 2011 at 6:40:47 PM permalink | |
| Face Member since: Dec 27, 2010 Threads: 37 Posts: 941 |
Seeing as a player usually has many companions with them, and seeing as just about everyone has a smartphone, couldn't the 2-4 people in their group just price the 4 items up for bids and direct the player? " 'Luck' is probabilty taken personally" - Penn Gilette |
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