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EdCollins
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May 11th, 2022 at 10:04:50 AM permalink
Lately I've been having more fun watching SmartyBot solve Smarty Pants puzzles than I am solving them myself! :)

With Puzzle #238, I noticed, on its weakest strength setting, using a random start word, SmartyBot took a full eight rows before it finally pinned down the solution.

And yet on its strongest setting, the bot was able to solve the same puzzle in just three rows, using a well-chosen probing word on Row 2.

Spoiler for Smarty Pants #238

Strength Setting 1




Strength Setting 7



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May 11th, 2022 at 1:29:27 PM permalink
Three on Wednesday.


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REACH
FARCE
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May 11th, 2022 at 5:15:33 PM permalink
Interesting.

Wordle 326 4/6

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May 11th, 2022 at 5:46:05 PM permalink
3 today May 11
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May 12th, 2022 at 2:17:29 AM permalink
Wordle 327 3/6

WordleBot
Skill 78/100
Luck 79/100


SALET / GBYBB
FUNGI / BYYYB
SLUNG / Correct!

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Game 15:
Turn 1: BANTER / YBBYGG
Turn 2: TIMBER / Correct!

Game 16:
Turn 1: SAILER / BBBBYY
Turn 2: BOUNCY / BGBBBG
Turn 3: POETRY / Correct!

Game 18:
Turn 1: SLATER / BBBBGG
Turn 2: CHIMED / BYBBGB
Turn 3: HUNGER / Correct!
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May 12th, 2022 at 4:29:19 AM permalink
Three for me as well on #327 05/12/22:

STARE / GBBBB
DOING / BBBGG
SLUNG / GGGGG

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May 12th, 2022 at 6:48:13 AM permalink
Whoa.

Wordle 327 3/6

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WHICH
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May 12th, 2022 at 8:20:24 AM permalink
It’s my 6th time getting a 6.
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May 12th, 2022 at 8:38:02 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

It’s my 6th time getting a 6.


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Yeah, once you get caught in a common word construction, it’s easy to guess out.

Wordle is fun. But sometimes a 5 or 6 score is actually a better solve than a 2 or 3. It’s not so much when you got there, as much as how. My 3 today was pure luck.
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May 12th, 2022 at 3:08:34 PM permalink
Lucky 3 today may 12
I know the solution will never be plural,but the past tense threw me out I threw it out their as limited choices
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May 12th, 2022 at 10:45:07 PM permalink
Well, I finally finished writing the code to compare the values of the best starting word pair.

As you know, WordleBot, when it analyzes every finished puzzle, will let you know how many words, on average, remain after the starting word that was used. For example, after the starting word ADIEU, the bot will tell you, "On average, 123 possible solutions still exist after that guess." If your starting word is ROATE, the bot will inform you that, "On average, 61 possible solutions still exist after that guess."

There's always lots of comments and discussions about each player's favorite pair of starting words. Many players like to play the game by entering two words, one right after another, and then go from there, when they solve a puzzle.

While it isn't ideal to enter a pre-determined second word after the first (your best second guess depends upon the feedback received from the first guess), I was curious to know how different pairs of starting words stack up against each other. Which pair is the best?

(Again, "best" for this discussion, is the fewest average number of possible words still remaining.)

Here are the surprising results.

I really expected SALET - ROUND to be at the top of the list, or possibly CRANE - SLOTH.

Nope. Not even close.

So far, of the five dozen or so different two-word combos I've checked, SALON - TRICE is the best pair, averaging... are you ready for this... just 4.363 words remaining.

CLINT - SOARE, is the next best pair I've come across. This pair, on average, leaves just 4.369 words remaining.

Here are the results of the top 20 pairs I've looked at so far:

SALON - TRICE (4.363)
CLINT - SOARE (4.369)
CLONE - STAIR (4.503)
SLOAN - TRICE (4.533)
NOILS - TRACE (4.569)
LOINS - TRACE (4.656)
LIONS - TRACE (4.717)
COLIN - STARE (4.730)
LINOS - TRACE (4.791)
ORCIN - SALET (4.801)
SOILY - TRACE (4.857)
DRICE - SLANT (4.869)
CRATE - SOILY (4.883)
LOTIC - SNARE (4.917)
LINAC - STORE (5.008)
NICOL - STARE (5.041)
ALTER - SONIC (5.060)
CRANE - SLIPT (5.155)
CRANE - SPLIT (5.168)
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FUZZY - JAZZY (360.786)
FIZZY - FUZZY (452.246)
MUCKY - YUCKY (454.819)
DIZZY - FIZZY (535.964)

Notice the letter U doesn't make an appearance at all, in the top 20 pairs. (More proof that ADIEU, a favorite starting word by many people, just isn't all that great of a starter.)

As you can see by the last four entries, I was also interested in the absolute WORST pair of words! So far, the worst pair I've found is DIZZY - FIZZY. (The reason this pair is so bad, of course, is because you've got not just one letter Z but two working against you, and only six different letters are examined, and none of them are ETASROLN, etc.)
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May 12th, 2022 at 11:01:47 PM permalink
Also, I recently noticed that, on average, the greater the length of a word, the fewer guesses it takes to solve it!

It takes WordleBot about 3.4 rows to solve Wordle puzzles. (Length of five.)

My SmartyBot can solve Smarty Pants puzzles (length of 6) just a tad less than this.

It is currently solving puzzles that are seven letters long at about a 3.1 row average. (And this is without yet finding the best starter.)

And yet when I have it solve puzzles of just four letters in length, it takes the bot, on average, about 4.3 rows!

Of course, now this makes perfect sense after I thought about it. For example, take a simple two-letter word puzzle answer, like the word DO or HI. You're usually gonna be making a lot of guesses before you stumble onto either of those words as the answer.

For words that are just two, three, and even four letters in length, you often don't get much additional feedback when you're wrong with a guess.
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May 13th, 2022 at 1:54:02 AM permalink
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Wordle 328 3/6

WordleBot
Skill 97/100
Luck 67/100


... I blindly chose "SALON-TRICE" for the first 2 guesses, and I think this might be my best "skill score", so far.

SALON / YBBBB
TRICE / GBYBB
TIPSY / Correct!

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Game 19:
Turn 1: SAILER / BBYBBY
Turn 2: BITCHY / BGBBBB
Turn 3: RIDING / GGBBBB
Turn 4: RIPOFF / Correct!

Game 20:
Turn 1: BANTER / BBYBBB
Turn 2: CLUMSY / BBBYBB
Turn 3: POWDER / YGBBBB
Turn 4: MOPING / Correct!
Last edited by: ksdjdj on May 13, 2022
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May 13th, 2022 at 4:15:00 AM permalink
Wordle 328 3/6

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May 13th, 2022 at 5:36:23 AM permalink
Wordle #328 May 13, 2022: 6/6

Really kicked my butt.

STARE / YYBBB
DOING / BBYBB
MULCH / BBBBB
VISIT / BGYBB
BITSY / BGYGG
TIPSY / Correct

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May 14th, 2022 at 12:16:11 AM permalink
3 tonight Friday the 13th little late posting
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May 14th, 2022 at 6:21:56 AM permalink
Wordle #329 May 14, 2022: 4/6

STARE / BYYBY
LUNCH / YBBBB
PLEAT / BYYGY
METAL / Correct

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May 14th, 2022 at 3:11:08 PM permalink
Three on Saturday. I should have had it in two - but I thought, "Let's try a different first guess today." Oh well.

Wordle 329 3/6*

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RADIO
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IndyJeffrey
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May 14th, 2022 at 3:14:17 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

So far, of the five dozen or so different two-word combos I've checked, SALON - TRICE is the best pair, averaging... are you ready for this... just 4.363 words remaining.



Thanks for the analysis. Very fascinating.

I wonder, what the results would be if your second guess had to follow the feedback of the first guess.

Again, thanks for the original analysis.
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May 14th, 2022 at 4:58:40 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

Quote: EdCollins

So far, of the five dozen or so different two-word combos I've checked, SALON - TRICE is the best pair, averaging... are you ready for this... just 4.363 words remaining.



Thanks for the analysis. Very fascinating.

I wonder, what the results would be if your second guess had to follow the feedback of the first guess.

Again, thanks for the original analysis.
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it sounds like using salon as a starter word the bot is assuming you get all gray letters using trice as the second guess. I always use the info given to me from first word to try and get the wordle in as few guesses as possible but that's just me. Wheel of fortune bonus round gives you rstln and e. It just depends what wordle is how you do. A lot of bonus puzzles you don't get much help with those letters. Just my 2 cents
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May 14th, 2022 at 7:29:05 PM permalink
3 tonight Saturday the 14th
HotBlonde
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May 15th, 2022 at 1:02:30 AM permalink
Totally forgot the green letter on my first try meant to keep it there.

Wordle 330 4/6

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DogHand
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May 15th, 2022 at 2:24:34 AM permalink
Wordle #330 May 15, 2022: 4/6

STARE / BBBBY
DOING / YBYBB
MULCH / BBYBB
YIELD / Correct

Dog Hand
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May 15th, 2022 at 3:36:29 AM permalink
Wordle 330 4/6

⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
🟩🟨⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
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I can see this being tricky for some.
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May 15th, 2022 at 4:52:18 AM permalink
Four.



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May 15th, 2022 at 5:48:41 AM permalink
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May 15th, 2022 at 2:49:27 PM permalink
Three. Though, it took me a long time to think of the third guess. Hours.





REACH
MONEY
YEILD
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May 15th, 2022 at 5:35:44 PM permalink
3 today May 15
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May 15th, 2022 at 7:16:35 PM permalink

***: I failed the "Daily Octordle" which was my first attempt at it, but my three starting / probing words for the second attempt were (unlimited version): Salon, Trice and Dumpy (I only used two probing words for my first attempt).
Octordle
6️⃣8️⃣ SCOWL - CLONE
4️⃣🕚 DRAWL - GLORY
7️⃣5️⃣ BURST - BRAWL
🕛🔟 SWIRL - GLAZE
octordle.com

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Turn 1: BANTER / BBBBGG
Turn 2: COSIER / BGBBGG
Turn 3: PHYLUM / BYBBBB
Turn 4: VIKING / YBBBBB
Turn 5: HOOVER / Correct!

Note: "COSIER" was a fairly bad choice for turn 2.

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May 16th, 2022 at 4:07:37 AM permalink
Five today…


Wordle 331 5/6

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May 16th, 2022 at 6:03:18 AM permalink
Five for me too.

Wordle 331 5/6

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A double-letter and 9 total scrabble points makes me not feel too badly about the five.
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May 16th, 2022 at 7:19:12 AM permalink
Smarty Pants 200

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May 16th, 2022 at 7:57:27 AM permalink
Wordle 331 4/6

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May 16th, 2022 at 5:20:20 PM permalink
Good to see some regular wordle poatersback after I guess what was a busy weekend although I believe one was on suspension involving dice. At any rate, welcome back. 3 tonight May 16
I recall one person stating previously he used the previous days wordle as a starter word. That would have been a good help today
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Wordle 332 3/6

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POINT
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BEING
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Four. Probably got it in under a minute.

Wordle 332 4/6

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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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May 17th, 2022 at 8:49:20 AM permalink
Wordle #332 May 17, 2022: 3/6

STARE / BBBBY
DOING / BBGGG
BEING / Correct

I missed playing yesterday :-(

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May 17th, 2022 at 5:47:36 PM permalink
Splendid 4 today May 17 though not feeling so splendid lol
gotta love I before e except after c rule
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May 17th, 2022 at 9:49:04 PM permalink
Damn hard today

Wordle 332 4/6

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May 17th, 2022 at 10:27:48 PM permalink
Wordle #333 May 18, 2022: 4/6

STARE / GBBYB
DOING / BYBBB
MULCH / BYBYB
SCOUR / Correct

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Lucky 2 for me. That's third time getting it in 2.
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May 18th, 2022 at 2:01:14 AM permalink
Congratulations Miplet!

A three for me.

To be honest, I didn't think word #2 would be a real word, but something Borat made up.

Wordle 333 3/6

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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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May 18th, 2022 at 3:53:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

To be honest, I didn't think word #2 would be a real word, but something Borat made up.

Wordle 333 3/6

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Ahahahaha!! It DOES sound like a Borat word, and one to describe a part of him he shouldn’t talk about in person!
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May 18th, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM permalink
Wordle 333 4/6

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🟩⬜🟩⬜⬜
🟩⬜🟩🟨⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
OFFICIALLY and justifiably reclaimed my title as SuperHotBlonde!
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May 18th, 2022 at 5:21:56 PM permalink
My h easier today,just to many choices after my starting word. Happy with 3 May 18 tonight
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May 18th, 2022 at 11:39:34 PM permalink
Wordle #334 May 19, 2022: 4/6 yet again

STARE / YBGBB
DOING / BBBBY
MULCH / BBYBB
GLASS / Correct

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May 19th, 2022 at 5:04:41 AM permalink
Five today, starter word was a dud.

Wordle 334 5/6

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May 19th, 2022 at 5:41:23 AM permalink
Four.

Wordle 334 4/6

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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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