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RogerKint
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July 28th, 2016 at 12:31:53 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Blame evolution.

It works not by always sending us Abe Lincolns, but a little bit of everything, from the Kardashians, to Gandhi, to Genghis Khan, to Trump and Flo, (or the actor) who sells Progressive Insurance.

It's not intelligent selection, it's maybe one of these variations will work out for you.

So, you never can really throw away your "I'm with stupid" t-shirt, because stupid will always be with us. It's part of the process.

Until further notice.



Stupid will always be with us. You'll know who they are cause they'll be wearing their "I'm with stupid" t-shirts.
zippyboy
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July 28th, 2016 at 6:42:38 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This is as far as I read. A person who
starts a post like this doesn't want
answers, he just wants to fling his
shat into the fan pretending he
wants to be enlightened.


But he used words like "assuage" and "anodyne"! Clearly, he is enlightened. And enlightened folks do not vote for Trump.
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darkoz
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July 28th, 2016 at 7:06:36 AM permalink
Well, as a white male with a mixed family (which pretty much means a black family as my "black" son and daughter keep telling me), the consensus with my children is that racism in America is alive and very well.

My son simply points to the Trumpers as his evidence and that well over 90% of the people you see at his rallies are white and predominantly from "hick" states.

These are the views of my kids however when I watch a Trump rally, I start playing a "find the black man" game and most of the time I lose.

The answer may be as simple as this.

I do feel the Republican party has always had a problem of spewing hatred and it has finally come back to bite them. Here is my theory on the Republican party.

It is really supposed to be the party of the rich to protect their assets through lower taxes for the rich and higher taxes for the poor and for all types of concessions to big business to benefit the big players. Problem for them is the rich and elite in this country are only about 2%. That does not make a winning vote. So, how do you convince a bunch of poor and middle class people they should vote for rich people's agenda's? You appeal to the other issues they feel even more strongly about.

So, religiously against abortion? Republicans stress anti-abortion (which pits them against women and the right to choose)
religiously against homosexuality? Republicans stress anti-gay prohibitions (which pits them against homosexuals)

The list goes on and basically, the republican party becomes a party spewing hatred to entice the voters filled with hatred to ignore the real motivations of the party.
Romes
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July 28th, 2016 at 7:15:34 AM permalink
*Note: I am not a republican or democrat and not a supporter of either Trump or Hillary.

Trump is a reality TV start makes politics watchable for some because you never know what he's going to say. People think it's funny rather than realizing this is a serious matter. America seems to get stupider and stupider. Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I highly suggest you give it a watch, and then you'll understand why people are voting for Trump. That movie will one day be a documentary of how our country fell. It makes perfect logical sense.

In the movie it's explained in the first 10 minutes that dumb people reproduce wildly and smart people wait, have less children, etc... Thus eventually the stupid people "out breed" intelligent people and the country becomes nothing more than idiotic people run by a president who was chosen by winning a wrestling event... essentially how we're picking trump... "who entertains us more?"
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RonC
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July 28th, 2016 at 7:18:58 AM permalink
I hear "people keep getting stupider"--I'd be interested to hear "why" you think that is happening.
Rigondeaux
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July 28th, 2016 at 7:20:54 AM permalink
Obviously, any intelligent person would vote for someone who is going to work against their interests, but uses a different style of marketing, then pat themselves on the back about how smart they are.

I don't like either of them, but here's a reasonable case. The most important thing the next president will decide, meaning it is something a president can have a great deal of influence over, is TPP. Trump is right on TPP, Hillary is wrong. At least as far as the interests of most people go.

Here's another. Trump might be less likely to start a war. Hillary's proven she has zero regard for the lives of our soldiers, and has been at least partially responsible for unbelievable amounts of death and misery in Iraq, Libya and other places. Trump is more of an isolationist and he might be full of crap, but at least there's a CHANCE he won't bomb people and create chaos purely to make money for his friends.

Here's another point. Trump, at least at face value, represents the idea that candidates should represent voters, and their desires and interests. I'm more in the Bernie camp, but wouldn't it be nice if we had a bunch of candidates like that to chose from?

Clinton represents the idea that we should continue our move to a third world model, where elites have absolute power, and the influence of the lower classes and ever shrinking middle classes is cosmetic, about at the level of high school students voting for class president.

Evanbob is right, of course. But let's pretend you are genuinely interested in understanding this state of affairs. Here's a good interview with Jeffery Sachs on the subject. He's probably not as smart as you are, of course, but maybe you'll get something out of it.

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/07/06/economist-jeffrey-sachs-on-globalizations-risks
Romes
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July 28th, 2016 at 7:21:46 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

I hear "people keep getting stupider"--I'd be interested to hear "why" you think that is happening.

Literally the plot of the movie... Okay I'm not spoiling anything since they explain it in the first 2 minutes anyways...

Dumb people in trailer parks have 10 kids. Jon and Jane who are college educated, have great careers, etc, have 1 maybe 2 kids (or no kids at all) because they're smart and know that's where they're at financially... Eventually you see the lopsided affect that will happen... Stupid people are out breeding intelligent people.
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TigerWu
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July 28th, 2016 at 8:07:24 AM permalink
I'm not a Trump supporter. No idea who I'm voting for yet. But I can give you one good reason why I "like" him.

He's not an "establishment" politician. I hate the idea that people can become career politicians. A politician should be a job you have for 5-10 years, sometime in your 30's to 50's, for little to average pay, then move on in your life with a real job. Politicians who have been in D.C. for decades making hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars a year are not in touch with reality and are mostly likely corrupted by corporations and Big Oil/Pharma/Etc. Our political system is a giant mess right now, and while I don't think it's going to destroy our country, anytime some "outsider" can come in and shake things up a bit is fine by me. The fact that someone like Donald f***ing Trump can make it as far as he has honestly gives me a glimmer of hope that the system is not totally broken yet.
rsactuary
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July 28th, 2016 at 8:14:55 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux



The most important thing the next president will decide, meaning it is something a president can have a great deal of influence over, is TPP. Trump is right on TPP, Hillary is wrong. At least as far as the interests of most people go.

Here's another. Trump might be less likely to start a war. Hillary's proven she has zero regard for the lives of our soldiers, and has been at least partially responsible for unbelievable amounts of death and misery in Iraq, Libya and other places. Trump is more of an isolationist and he might be full of crap, but at least there's a CHANCE he won't bomb people and create chaos purely to make money for his friends.



I think the Supreme Court will be the next president's most important thing. But in regard to TPP, I think Hillary will overturn it if elected. I think she and the party heads feel it might be a slap in the face to BHO to say so on the campaign trail.

On the war front, I think Trump is MORE likely to start a war then Hillary. Hillary has made some mistakes in this area, clearly. I believe she will learn from them.
Romes
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July 28th, 2016 at 8:21:11 AM permalink
Tiger, I agree with a few things you've said, especially about most politicians being lifers who make millions being out of touch with reality... but the fact that Donald Trump made it as far as he has doesn't reflect a thing on how good/bad the political system is. It reflects on how stupid most Americans have become, in my opinion. The guy is clearly a racist bigot with no concept of half the things he tries to talk about, which is a very limited list all the same:

1) Build the wall - this argument has been torn down to the point the leader of mexico took the time to curse and say in ENGLISH "I'm not paying for any fucking wall." The wall would do little if anything to stop people from actually coming in to the country. The wall would cost an unbelievable amount that we don't have.

2) Muslims are the problem, deport them. While I'm agnostic and don't claim a religion (math?) this is just plane old fear mongering and hate speech.

It simply boils down to what I call "shock comedy." Having done comedy for years I hate this kind of comedy, because it takes no thought/effort/skill. It's where a comedian gets on stage and just says all the raw raunchy stuff they can to get shocked laughs from the audience who can't believe the comedian is saying what they're saying. This is Trumps entire campaign and it's PAINFUL to watch people eat it up because he's "anti-establishment." No... he's just blurting out obscenities to get your attention and it's sad that people are "caught up" by that and not educated enough to understand he isn't actually talking about anything. It's just shock comedy.
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