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April 8th, 2011 at 2:11:12 AM permalink
pacomartin
Member since: Jan 14, 2010
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This thread is offshoot of the long discussion of shadow casinos. The people answering the poll should come from outside of Nevada.

1) Vegas has a permit that allows locations to install up to 15 machines for a tax base of $2 per machine day. While theoretically this sounds like a plus for mom and pop organizations, out of 2009 locations 1003 are in stores of some types (usually chains), 872 are in bars and restaurants, and 134 are in bowling alleys, golf courses, fraternal organizations, etc. In recent years the NGC has awarded 140-180 new licenses per year.

193 7-11's
93 Terribles gas and convenience
42 Albertson's Grocery
40 Vons Grocery
40 Smith's Food and Drub
39 CVS Pharmacy
32 Circle K
14 AM/PM
14 Food 4 Less
10 Kmart
... etc etc

2) Sports book is now allowed to use smart phones.
3) Mobile gaming devices are operational in public areas of 4 casinos and are petitioning to operate in hotel rooms.
4) There is only one native American casino in Nevada.
5) There is no lottery in Nevada by state law.
6) Gaming tax is a mere 6.75%
7) A hotel room for every 14 residents. The national average is a hotel has 94 and there is a room for every 64 residents. Florida and Hawaii do not even come close to Nevada. Only 1% of the hotels have 500 or more rooms, but they contain 11% of the total number of rooms.


What do you wish you had in your state?
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April 8th, 2011 at 4:06:57 AM permalink
RonC
Member since: Jan 18, 2010
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I think NA casinos should be subject to EXACTLY the same regulations as any other casino in the state. The thing that bugs me is that they often don't have to follow the same rules or report their results in the same way. The whole ownership situation is an interesting thing also--I read a story the other day about a NA tribe member getting monthly checks from the casino profit and his abandoned ex-wife and kids being unable to touch that money for child support that has not been paid. The "country within a country" status seems to provide protections that result in problems like this...

If there had been a choice for "allowing casino gambling (tables and slots) in my state" I would have voted for that option. I am so sick of having a state say how horrid gaming is for the people and then running a lottery and allowing horse/dog tracks. If gambling is so bad, stop it in all forms. Put the issue on the ballot and let the voters decide...c'mon, Texas. Everyone just heads out of state with their gambling money since they can't use it here...Louisiana gambling would fall on really hard times if Texans stayed away (why do you think all that stuff happened with lobbyists playing both sides against the middle and getting money form Louisiana to stop gambling from moving forward in Texas?).

Would it be too radical to say that politicians should only be allowed to take donations from within their District or State? Your representative...bought and paid for by someone who lives thousands of miles away!!
April 8th, 2011 at 5:10:12 AM permalink
FleaStiff
Member since: Oct 19, 2009
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>While theoretically this sounds like a plus for mom and pop organizations,
Just as a store owner merely rents space to guy with a vending machine route, the Mom and Pop organizations will just be renting out the space to some sharp operator somewhere.
I live in a state with "Internet Cafes" mushrooming all over the place. Some of them rent Internet Time although located in free wi-fi hotspots that provide internet access for free. They are NOT internet cafes, they are retirees playing electronic bingo.

5) There is no lottery in Nevada by state law.
But the teachers union is still trying to get one and wed the lottery earnings to teacher's salaries.

I think the real problem is the lack of a Fish or Cut Bait attitude in the Legislature. Look, Jack, most of them ain't Indians at all. And if they are Indians, the tribe is more a cult than anything else with a few powerful leaders taking all the money and threatening to disenroll anyone who objects.

Its the same lack of honesty with gambling: The Legislature declares gambling to be wrong but then conducts a lottery with odds so poor a Policy Bookmaker is ashamed of it.

I'd break the Indian stranglehold, end the lottery commission's power, ... hotel rooms? You want to build a hotel, build a hotel. You don't want to build a hotel, don't build a hotel. It ain't the function of a Legislature at all.
April 8th, 2011 at 5:13:46 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Nov 2, 2009
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So far PA has gotten it pretty good, but when they make me King for a Day I will do the following:

1. Sports Books allowed, both in the casinos and "mini" licenses so a sports book could open in say a strip mall and have some VP/slots available.
2. More licenses for more operators. No operator allowed more than 2 casinos and no more than 1 in a market.
3. No 6:5 BJ, EVER
4. VP Machined allowed in bars and clubs, but must be real VP and not pull-tabs like we (illegally) have all over the place now.
5. Cut the slot tax from 55% to 34%.
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April 8th, 2011 at 5:33:05 AM permalink
buzzpaff
Member since: Mar 8, 2011
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Quote: FleaStiff
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Its the same lack of honesty with gambling: The Legislature declares gambling to be wrong but then conducts a lottery with odds so poor a Policy Bookmaker is ashamed of it.


I remember the politicans for years railing against the number runners to Marlyand, Saying so many Mom's were palaying a dollar a day and taking food out of their baby's mouth. The bookies were paying 700 to 1. Now the state runs commercials on TV about helping state parks and the environment by playing the number. Maryland pays 500-1.

Colorado has scratch tickets. Started as only being offered in $1 denominations. Now in $1, 5, 10, 20. Guess which ones sell out first at the auto dispenser in the grocery store ??
Buzz Paff
April 8th, 2011 at 6:50:39 AM permalink
FleaStiff
Member since: Oct 19, 2009
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Quote: buzzpaff
Quote: FleaStiff
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Its the same lack of honesty with gambling: The Legislature declares gambling to be wrong but then conducts a lottery with odds so poor a Policy Bookmaker is ashamed of it.


I remember the politicans for years railing against the number runners to Marlyand, Saying so many Mom's were palaying a dollar a day and taking food out of their baby's mouth. The bookies were paying 700 to 1. Now the state runs commercials on TV about helping state parks and the environment by playing the number. Maryland pays 500-1.
Colorado has scratch tickets. Started as only being offered in $1 denominations. Now in $1, 5, 10, 20. Guess which ones sell out first at the auto dispenser in the grocery store ??


You can bet the Bookies ran it more honestly and more efficiently too. 700:1 and efficient. Illegal, perhaps but efficiently run.
Now you have money bled off for television adds, discarded tickets all over the place, tickets with telltale clues to their actual worth, signage, ... and a far lower payout. I don' t know if mothers were taking food out of their baby's mouth then, but they probably are now.
April 8th, 2011 at 7:14:44 AM permalink
P90
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Quote: buzzpaff
I remember the politicans for years railing against the number runners to Marlyand, Saying so many Mom's were palaying a dollar a day and taking food out of their baby's mouth. The bookies were paying 700 to 1. Now the state runs commercials on TV about helping state parks and the environment by playing the number. Maryland pays 500-1.

It's just like raspberry tart: everyone loves their own brand.
April 8th, 2011 at 7:16:43 AM permalink
gofaster87
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April 8th, 2011 at 7:18:12 AM permalink
DJTeddyBear
Member since: Nov 2, 2009
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I live in Northern New Jersey.

I used to describe my exact position as being at the point where it takes just as much time to get to AC as it does to get to Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods.

Now I add; But it's about an hour closer to PA Sands.

I haven't been to AC since table games arrived in PA. The only reason is that it's closer. Of course, if I was strictly a table games player, things would be different. The minimums are higher in PA due to limited supply and excessive demand. I'm more of a poker player, so that doesn't affect me.

As PA casinos, and NY racinos are siphoning off gamblers away from AC, it's obvious that the answer is to put a casino in Northern or Central NJ to siphon off the siphon.


Too bad the legislature has tunnel-vision about AC.
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April 8th, 2011 at 7:31:11 AM permalink
Nareed
Member since: Nov 11, 2009
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Quote: gofaster87
I would like Vegas to do away with all the slots in grocery stores, gas stations and the such.


I suppose they're just too profitable.

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Its just annoying to see that crap everywhere. Casinos are for gambling and stores are for shopping.


You sound like a local, so you may have a different take on this. I also don't think you'll like what I'm about to say. My first trip to Vegas was abck in the 70s when I was 9 or so. I remember little about it, but one enduring memory are the banks of slots at the airport. It struck me as excessive even back then, but now I think it's more of an "only in Vegas" kind of thing.

Many stores in Mexico, pretty much all large grocery stores, have claw machines and other types of kiddie gambling machines (let's be honest here, that is what they are) to supplement their income. Change the plush toys and trinkets for cell phone accesories or something like that, and you may see adults playing them too.
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