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February 23rd, 2021 at 3:23:44 PM permalink
Heard this afternoon that Tiger was severly injured in a high-speed rollover in California. He's having surgery for multiple fractures in both legs. Vehicle was a Genesis GX81. Reports are that at high speed he crossed median and struck curbing and tree causing the multiple rollovers down an embankment.

Edited for correctness: not a wall... saw news at 6PM LV time here in N.E. at 9.

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February 23rd, 2021 at 3:43:07 PM permalink
Speed limit be 45 mph, but people don't slow to less than 65 mph?
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February 23rd, 2021 at 4:25:28 PM permalink
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Speed limit be 45 mph, but people don't slow to less than 65 mph?



His real name is Eldrick Woods, maybe
he was mad about that. Right at the
start of the 2021 golf season too. He
has multiple broken leg bones, his
game might never recover. He was
late for a photo shoot. While in
recovery he can count the $900
million he's worth.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 5:02:53 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

His real name is Eldrick Woods, maybe
he was mad about that. Right at the
start of the 2021 golf season too. He
has multiple broken leg bones, his
game might never recover. He was
late for a photo shoot. While in
recovery he can count the $900
million he's worth.

I'm willing to make a bet his game recovers. Not sure how to asset that since he's probably past his prime in the first place. Even without the accedent who knows what level he should be playing at.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 5:09:36 PM permalink
I don't know if the PGA would allow him to play in a cart. If not, it will be a long time until he can walk a course if he has broken bones in both legs.
Gods speed to his recovery.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 5:39:26 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I don't know if the PGA would allow him to play in a cart. If not, it will be a long time until he can walk a course if he has broken bones in both legs.
Gods speed to his recovery.



With aggressive rehab he might be back sooner than expected. But those injuries could have his swing all messed up even if he can pull it off.

I'm not sure, but playing when he's not able to score well could mess up his overall record.

Of course, we don't know yet whether he has something that's going become a permanent impairment.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 5:51:42 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm willing to make a bet his game recovers. Not sure how to asset that since he's probably past his prime in the first place. Even without the accedent who knows what level he should be playing at.



Obviously he will never be what e was but he is also on the far back end of his career.

I think a fair bet may be does he ever win another PGA tour event. My guess would be No but I am not willing to bet on it. If the bet is does he win more than one PGA tour event I would probably bet the No.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:02:56 PM permalink
Maybe some woman he cheated on threw a golf club from the side of the road.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:13:23 PM permalink
My guess is that he was on so many pills that he won't even remember the accident.

The interview that he gave Sunday looked like he was very out of it.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:20:38 PM permalink
Put 'im on a plate and stick a fork in 'im, he's done. Ceremonial 1st Tee.

Saw that... and the Genesis was a courtesy vehicle.

JMHO
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:22:13 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

My guess is that he was on so many pills that he won't even remember the accident.
The interview that he gave Sunday looked like he was very out of it.



He just had back surgery again
that was keeping out of the
tournaments anyway. He'll
be 46 this year, he'll be pushing
50 if he ever recovers enough
to play again. Time for the
senior circuit. Never liked the
guy, he was an arrogant snobbish
prick. Rush Limbaugh saw him
on a course years ago and wanted
to introduce himself. His friends
stopped him saying you never
approach Tiger, he approaches
you. If you do it he'll likely turn
on his heel and walk away. That
was probably 20 years ago.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:33:52 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He just had back surgery again
that was keeping out of the
tournaments anyway. He'll
be 46 this year, he'll be pushing
50 if he ever recovers enough
to play again. Time for the
senior circuit. Never liked the
guy, he was an arrogant snobbish
prick. Rush Limbaugh saw him
on a course years ago and wanted
to introduce himself. His friends
stopped him saying you never
approach Tiger, he approaches
you. If you do it he'll likely turn
on his heel and walk away. That
was probably 20 years ago.



I introduced myself to him at the House of Blues in Mandalay Bay and he was very pleasant. Of course he was a lot more interested in my wife.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:34:21 PM permalink
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:38:31 PM permalink
What will golf do now? When I was young there must have been ten or twelve guys on the pro tour that were household names. These days, unless you follow the sport, there's Tiger ... The End.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:40:33 PM permalink
Well, you'll have to settle for the 5 under par players instead of the 15 under par player.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 6:58:41 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Obviously he will never be what e was but he is also on the far back end of his career.

I think a fair bet may be does he ever win another PGA tour event. My guess would be No but I am not willing to bet on it. If the bet is does he win more than one PGA tour event I would probably bet the No.



Except for the time element, I would lay 10-1 he does not win another PGA tour event. I would bet even money he does not ever win a senior tour event. It was unclear if we would have anyway due to her s recurring back injuries.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 7:06:04 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

What will golf do now? When I was young there must have been ten or twelve guys on the pro tour that were household names. These days, unless you follow the sport, there's Tiger ... The End.



Really? What rock have you been hiding under? Bryson “Hulk” DeChambeau. Rory Mcilroy. Matthew ‘weird leg move’ Wolff. Justin ‘I used the word faggot’ Thomas. Patrick ‘cheater’ Reed. Jon ‘temper tantrum’ Rahm. And Phil is still hanging around.

Of course if you don’t follow golf none of that makes any matter to you. Just like it has always been.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 7:17:03 PM permalink
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Really? What rock have you been hiding under? Bryson “Hulk” DeChambeau. Rory Mcilroy. Matthew ‘weird leg move’ Wolff. Justin ‘I used the word faggot’ Thomas. Patrick ‘cheater’ Reed. Jon ‘temper tantrum’ Rahm. And Phil is still hanging around.

Of course if you don’t follow golf none of that makes any matter to you. Just like it has always been.



I would be a lot more interested in the 12 that were household names in his day. I would bet a lot that he couldn't name them in person without looking it up on the internet.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 7:19:02 PM permalink
That extra-long swing of Tiger's probably is the root cause of back/knee concerns. I was taught to maximum swing when the club is parallel to ground... look at his early career, his backswing goes way past parallel. Way too long for body to catch up, pro or not. Yet, he did some amazing things and played like no other. Great golfer, but time accelerated for him due to that swing. I will say this, sometimes talent overshadows personality, and Tiger fits that phrase.

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February 23rd, 2021 at 7:21:02 PM permalink
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Except for the time element, I would lay 10-1 he does not win another PGA tour event. I would bet even money he does not ever win a senior tour event. It was unclear if we would have anyway due to her s recurring back injuries.



I would take 10-1 that he wins one more in the next 5 years.

I don't think he will play on the Senior tour.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 7:45:10 PM permalink
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I don't think he will play on the Senior tour.



Sure he will, he'll draw huge crowds
and the money isn't bad. He hasn't
been a real threat since his life
exploded and most of his sponsors
dropped him.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 8:16:32 PM permalink
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I don't think he will play on the Senior tour.



He’s four majors away from tying Jack Nicklaus. How many Senior majors has Nicklaus won? Tiger will want to win at least that many. He’s been chasing Jack his entire career.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 8:23:26 PM permalink
I have never been a big Tiger Woods fan. Not really a big golf fan to begin with, although I will watch the final round of some of the Majors.

Someone (maybe Evenbob) said Tiger was snobbish and unfriendly to the other golfers. It is my understanding he was like that for the early half of his career, but in the last 10 years he has become much friendlier, joking with other golfers and even people in the gallery at times. He is one of those super competitive guys and a perfectionist and I think that was mistaken for him being nasty and unfriendly. And in the last 10 years, those of us that only saw the highlights on sportscenter would often see him pissed off and throwing clubs (or just about), as he hit a shot into the water or double bogey. That anger shown was anger at himself, because he is so competitive, not anger at anyone else. So for that, I am going to say he is misunderstood.

I think he is done. He was probably done before this accident. 5 operations on his back, 5 operations on his knees. He didn't seem to be responding and recovering from this latest back operation all that well. Not really sure he recovered from any of them very well. Maybe he can get back to playing some sort of recreational, pro-Am type thing, but from the sounds of things his competitive golf days are over. He has all the money in the world and when he recovers should explore the other things he wants to do with life, including business opportunities, golf related or not.

Despite that I wasn't a big fan, Tiger's 2019 Masters win, was one for the ages. Even those of us that didn't particularly like the guy were pulling hard for him. It was a very special moment.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 8:28:52 PM permalink
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He’s four majors away from tying Jack Nicklaus. How many Senior majors has Nicklaus won? Tiger will want to win at least that many. He’s been chasing Jack his entire career.



Tiger is 3 behind Nicklaus if I am not mistaken. BUT Tiger has won only 1 major in the last 13 years. He was not going to catch Nicklaus before this accident and certainly won't after.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 9:30:50 PM permalink
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He was not going to catch Nicklaus before this accident and certainly won't after.



He doesn't deserve to. Nicklaus is the
classic golf superstar. Totally dedicated
to the game. He was the oldest player
to win the Masters, at 46. Tiger was
never a dedicated player, he was a
dedicated partier who played golf.
He had 13 good years until another
car accident started a chain of events
that almost ruined him. Tiger is a fluke,
he's doesn't even deserve to be on the
same list as The Golden Bear..
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February 23rd, 2021 at 11:15:44 PM permalink
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He had 13 good years



Quote: EvenBob


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February 24th, 2021 at 2:58:32 AM permalink
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Sure he will, he'll draw huge crowds
and the money isn't bad. He hasn't
been a real threat since his life
exploded and most of his sponsors
dropped him.



He seems to have led a very, very reckless life. As if he is trying to be the Ric Flair of golf. I wish him well same as I wish anyone in an accident well. At the same time I could care less. Watching golf is super boring to me. I do not get the following he has.
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February 24th, 2021 at 4:31:26 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Sure he will, he'll draw huge crowds
and the money isn't bad. He hasn't
been a real threat since his life
exploded and most of his sponsors
dropped him.



Bob.... he won the Masters two platings ago. He won on tour last year (Zozo) as well. And I think he has recovered enough sponsors to generate 8 figures +! The reason he is not ‘the old Tiger’ has been more back related than his life exploded related recently.

As far as ‘the money isn’t bad’ on the Champions Tour.... it might not be bad for you and me, but it is low enough that it would be irrelevant to Tiger Woods.
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February 24th, 2021 at 7:01:37 AM permalink
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As far as ‘the money isn’t bad’ on the Champions Tour.... it might not be bad for you and me, but it is low enough that it would be irrelevant to Tiger Woods.



That is my thought exactly. He can always accept a invitation to one of the middle East tournaments and get a million dollar appearance fee. Why bother playing a Seniors tour to win $300,000, I believe he is still getting about $50 million a year in sponsorships.

From a Golf.com article last year:

"Tiger made $2.3 million over the past year in golf.

He made $60 million in endorsements. Or about 96 percent of his overall $62.3 million in earnings."
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February 24th, 2021 at 8:50:50 AM permalink
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Bob.... he won the Masters two platings ago



So you think because he got lucky
and pulled a major out of his ass,
that equates to the Tiger that
played golf in the early 2000's?
Really? The money is meaningless
to him, it's his giant ego that needs
the crowd attention. He will play
the senior circuit.
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February 24th, 2021 at 9:37:02 AM permalink
That's one hell of a crash. Watched ABC report on Youtube and the helicopter video shows a pretty straight road where he goes off, hits a sign, misses an electric pole, went up an embankment, rolls over and lost the engine to the car. The car ends up facing the direction he came from with the engine 6-8 feet away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ZraL51Al0

He must have been going pretty fast. Early reports talked about a curving road. Looks pretty straight to me.

PS I wish ABC would have had a crash scene expert on instead of ESPN people. So after watching the report I know little about the accident but got a 5 minute summary of Tigers life.
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February 24th, 2021 at 10:10:43 AM permalink
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So you think because he got lucky
and pulled a major out of his ass,
that equates to the Tiger that
played golf in the early 2000's?
Really? The money is meaningless
to him, it's his giant ego that needs
the crowd attention. He will play
the senior circuit.



I agree with everything.... except the ‘got lucky’ part. He was just the best that week. I think if healthy enough he will play the Senior majors, and any other events that he has ties with the sponsors. He’s not playing the Dick’s Sporting Goods open in Binghamton.
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February 24th, 2021 at 10:42:12 AM permalink
His leg was broken in two with the bones
protruding through the skin near his foot.
They inserted rods and put it back together
but they had to cut muscle in his lower leg so
it would not put pressure on the injury. This
seems to me to be a bigger problem than
the broken leg, how will he ever get full
function back. Some golf experts his career
ended yesterday.
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February 24th, 2021 at 10:45:46 AM permalink
He'll be back in a couple of years if he can walk, but if he loses his driver's license for this accident, he'll need a full time chauffeur.
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February 24th, 2021 at 11:09:41 AM permalink
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He'll be back in a couple of years if he can walk, but if he loses his driver's license for this accident, he'll need a full time chauffeur.



Driving is not his friend. First was
the 2003 accident that almost
ruined him. Then a DWI 3 years
ago, and now this. I would guess
he's not paying enough attention
when he drives. He was driving
angry yesterday and that's never
a good thing.
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February 24th, 2021 at 11:32:13 AM permalink
I don't want to speculate when I don't know all the details but at the news conference yesterday the police said there was no evidence of braking. No skid marks or anything. I guess this IS speculation but makes you wonder if he passed out or something.
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February 24th, 2021 at 11:34:06 AM permalink
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I don't want to speculate when I don't know all the details but at the news conference yesterday the police said there was no evidence of braking. No skid marks or anything. I guess this IS speculation but makes you wonder if he passed out or something.



My guess is that he was distracted and going off the road. When he realized he over corrected, hit the median, and then rolled it. There would be no braking in that scenario.
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February 24th, 2021 at 11:41:09 AM permalink
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He doesn't deserve to. Nicklaus is the
classic golf superstar. Totally dedicated
to the game. He was the oldest player
to win the Masters, at 46. Tiger was
never a dedicated player, he was a
dedicated partier who played golf.
He had 13 good years until another
car accident started a chain of events
that almost ruined him. Tiger is a fluke,
he's doesn't even deserve to be on the
same list as The Golden Bear..



Anyone who has a particle of knowledge about golf knows he would have eclipsed Nicklaus including Nicklaus own prediction. As Jack said himself, “if he stayed healthy.” What do you mean by fluke? You don’t think he worked hard enough or long enough? Considering how young he started, I’d wager he spent more practice hours on the golf course than 99% of the other pros.
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February 24th, 2021 at 11:44:50 AM permalink
It must be the talk radio talking.
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February 24th, 2021 at 12:11:05 PM permalink
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I don't want to speculate when I don't know all the details but at the news conference yesterday the police said there was no evidence of braking. .



He was angry because people loading
luggage in front of him made him
wait to leave. They say he left the
hotel at a high rate of speed. He
was speeding on the highway and
lost control. He'll be able to join
the senior tour in 2025 when he
turns 50. It will take him that long
to fully recover from this. Nicklaus
joined when he was 50 and did
quite well there.
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February 24th, 2021 at 12:13:36 PM permalink
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What do you mean by fluke?



I mean it's like going to the casino
25 times and playing the slots and
on the 25th time you win a few
grand. Fluke.
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February 24th, 2021 at 12:53:50 PM permalink
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I'm willing to make a bet his game recovers.



Agreed.

I must say he was extremely resilient in the past to numerous downfalls, doubt if things will change.


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February 24th, 2021 at 4:47:29 PM permalink
I clearly want to bet against Tiger Woods at this point. Is 46 years old and. It is not like he got injured tying shoes. He was really a great golfer and I would never criticize his performance in the past. I find it hard to believe anybody can criticize him just because his record of being absolutely marvelous came to an end.
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February 24th, 2021 at 5:20:12 PM permalink
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He made $60 million in endorsements. Or about 96 percent of his overall $62.3 million in earnings."



That could have been an expensive DWI, or DUI if such was the case. He probably won't lose any of it for driving fast.
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February 24th, 2021 at 7:35:12 PM permalink
One of Tiger's ankles was crushed. Crushed. As in "broken into little pieces." On his other lower leg, both his fibula and tibia bones suffered compound fractures.

Based on my knowledge, I would say that Tiger will need to walk with a cane. Unless he is given a prosthetic foot.

He very well may spend his senior years in a chair by the fire.
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February 24th, 2021 at 7:49:20 PM permalink
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One of Tiger's ankles was crushed. Crushed. As in "broken into little pieces." On his other lower leg, both his fibula and tibia bones suffered compound fractures.



Ya know? His bone was sticking
out his leg. People here act like
these are shrug-off injuries, and
Tiger has the recovery ability of
a 16 year old. It's over, he's done.
You never get back to where you
were with injuries like this, and
surely not if you're pushing 50.
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February 24th, 2021 at 8:19:19 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Ya know? His bone was sticking
out his leg. People here act like
these are shrug-off injuries, and
Tiger has the recovery ability of
a 16 year old. It's over, he's done.
You never get back to where you
were with injuries like this, and
surely not if you're pushing 50.



Aren’t you the one saying he’s playing the senior tour?
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February 24th, 2021 at 8:27:15 PM permalink
I could see myself still playing golf well at 75 or older, but maybe not tennis.

So at least he's involved with a sport where he could keep playing at least on some level even after such an injury.
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EvenBob
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February 24th, 2021 at 8:31:41 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Aren’t you the one saying he’s playing the senior tour?



He's not 50 yet, he can't. He's
done with anything buy senior,
though. Long recovery, if he
ever does fully recover. The
ankle is the worst of it. Lots
of stress on ankles in golf.
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rxwine
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February 24th, 2021 at 9:43:16 PM permalink
Just info I stumbled across while looking up golf info.

https://clubandtee.com/odds-of-becoming-a-professional-golfer/
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