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December 17th, 2019 at 1:42:39 PM permalink
In the “Star Trek: The Next Generation” episode “The Royale,” the Enterprise away team discovers the remains of an American astronaut who was marooned on a distant planet. Fortunately, powerful intelligent beings constructed a way for the human to live out his natural life by re-creating a casino based on a dime store novel called “Hotel Royale.” This person had access to room service, including a 24-hour kitchen, and the casino downstairs. (And likely no resort fees.) According to Commander Riker, he appeared to die in his sleep.

The question for the poll is: would you want to die alone in a casino?
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December 17th, 2019 at 1:58:42 PM permalink
Commander Data was king of all DI's in that episode! I bet there were all kinds of AP opportunities in that place.

But no, I don't think I would want to die alone in a casino in that, or any other scenario.
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:08:15 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh



The question for the poll is: would you want to die alone in a casino?

Am I missing something? Is there anybody that would actually want to die alone in a casino?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:14:03 PM permalink
I liked how Data kept the dice in one hand the entire time. No casino rules were broken—aside from the dealers letting Data roll again at the behest of their resident high roller after Data 7ed-out.

I'm sure nobody ever compared this episode to 2001: A Space Odyssey, but I feel like Col. Richey's fate mirrors the bedroom scene at the end of 2001. So at least there's a casino to live out one's life!
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:14:20 PM permalink
If I was in that exact specific situation, I can think of plenty of worse ways to die.

I'd rather be stuck in some alien casino than die in a space capsule somewhere in deep space after running out of oxygen.
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:15:28 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

I liked how Data kept the dice in one hand the entire time. No casino rules were broken—



He blew on the dice, and let the Texan's girlfriend blow on them, too... Pretty sure that's against the rules.
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:34:50 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

If I was in that exact specific situation, I can think of plenty of worse ways to die.

I'd rather be stuck in some alien casino than die in a space capsule somewhere in deep space after running out of oxygen.




I vaguely remember something like that in the original Planet of the Apes. Right at the beginning. Gosh, I can't believe how long ago that was. I was just a kid when that movie came out.
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:38:42 PM permalink
I have no siblings or descendants or girlfriend. I am quite sure that i will die alone. If im doing something i enjoy like mountain biking. Thats better than dying alone at home I guess.

By the way. Casinos have lots of amenities. Im sure they have emergency ambassadors for this situation
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December 17th, 2019 at 2:43:38 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

I have no siblings or descendants or girlfriend. I am quite sure that i will die alone. If im doing something i enjoy like mountain biking. Thats better than dying alone at home I guess.

By the way. Casinos have lots of amenities. Im sure they have emergency ambassadors for this situation




Sounds like my situation. I worry about dying before my cats. Who will treat them as well as I do?
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December 17th, 2019 at 3:18:42 PM permalink
It doesn't really matter where you are...we all die alone.
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December 17th, 2019 at 3:23:09 PM permalink
I told my wife that I want to be cremated and have my ashes spread around various casino ash trays. She refused my request to just have my body put in a Walmart dumpster.
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December 17th, 2019 at 3:58:03 PM permalink
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I vaguely remember something like that in the original Planet of the Apes. Right at the beginning. Gosh, I can't believe how long ago that was. I was just a kid when that movie came out.



The female astronaut of Charlton Heston's crew died (conveniently for the story) when her cryo tube leaked. I recently saw that movie in its entirety for the first time because I figured I should see what started the whole franchise. Good movie—despite knowing the twist end.

I think of sci-fi ways to die in outer space probably too much. In the ST: TNG episode "Relics," the Enterprise-D crew rescues Engineer Scott ("Scotty") after he rigged a transporter to keep him and his shipmate to be in a perpetual transporter loop for 70+ years. However, his shipmate didn't make it because the pattern buffer decayed. What a terrible way to die!
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December 17th, 2019 at 4:36:39 PM permalink
According to this interesting but macabre article at Vital Vegas, around 1,100 people die in Vegas hotel rooms every year. "The coroner’s office says 67 percent of those deaths are the result of accidents, 15 percent committed suicide and 11 percent were the victims of homicide. No cause of death could be determined in six percent of the deaths." The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.

The article also addresses the legendary balcony dives at the Luxor, major room thefts, and the fact that, evidently, every surface in your Vegas room has probably had people having coitus on it. Good times.
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December 17th, 2019 at 4:49:47 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.



Buffet?
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December 17th, 2019 at 4:50:09 PM permalink
As long as I go fast and peaceful. My luck I would die with a winning 8 spot parlay in my pocket.
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December 17th, 2019 at 4:59:31 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.



Assign them to be dealers at Casino War ?
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December 17th, 2019 at 5:01:37 PM permalink
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Buffet?


With seafood becoming scarce, Tuesday is now steak and Soylent Green day.
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December 17th, 2019 at 5:13:32 PM permalink
1989: The Royale - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royale

Writer: Tracy Tormé - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Torm%C3%A9
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December 17th, 2019 at 7:21:39 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

According to this interesting but macabre article at Vital Vegas, around 1,100 people die in Vegas hotel rooms every year. "The coroner’s office says 67 percent of those deaths are the result of accidents, 15 percent committed suicide and 11 percent were the victims of homicide. No cause of death could be determined in six percent of the deaths." The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.

The article also addresses the legendary balcony dives at the Luxor, major room thefts, and the fact that, evidently, every surface in your Vegas room has probably had people having coitus on it. Good times.



The number of homocides really surprises me. It seems like a very strange and stupid place to kill someone.
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December 17th, 2019 at 8:05:21 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

According to this interesting but macabre article at Vital Vegas, around 1,100 people die in Vegas hotel rooms every year. "The coroner’s office says 67 percent of those deaths are the result of accidents, 15 percent committed suicide and 11 percent were the victims of homicide. No cause of death could be determined in six percent of the deaths." The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.

The article also addresses the legendary balcony dives at the Luxor, major room thefts, and the fact that, evidently, every surface in your Vegas room has probably had people having coitus on it. Good times.


Interesting how there can be 122 Vegas hotel murders a year and no one blinks an eye, but if 58 happen all at once at a concert everyone loses their mind.

Same with car accidents. I’m pretty sure car related deaths add up to about a 9/11 every week.
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December 17th, 2019 at 8:44:56 PM permalink
Murder in vegas hotel rooms. Lots of cash and drugs flowing

I was at ceasars. Overheard a customer try to pick up a friend's 30k of forgotten cash in a hotel room safe. The cage told him that only the owner of the cash can take it. He said that the owner already left vegas.

In the past, the risk of robbery drastically increases if people know you are carrying 500. Today, it might be 1000.
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December 18th, 2019 at 1:20:42 AM permalink
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December 18th, 2019 at 1:28:54 AM permalink
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I thought it was a "terminal sexually transmitted disease".
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December 18th, 2019 at 8:06:43 AM permalink
Like most homicides (like 90+%??) , the Vegas ones are probably people who know each other, e.g., a spouse who got mad at another one for blowing all their money. Also, I bet more than a few are drug deals gone bad or something. Being murdered is not something I worry about when I go to Vegas. Keep your wits about you and you probably don't have to worry about being robbed, either.
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December 18th, 2019 at 8:33:10 AM permalink
I find it very hard to believe there are anywhere near that number of homicides in casino hotel rooms. In three years of living there, I remember two cases that made the news.

As far as death goes, as in life, you will never walk alone.
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December 18th, 2019 at 8:48:23 AM permalink
Not all "hotel" rooms in Vegas are in the Strip resorts. There are plenty of rooms in the sketchier parts of town where the Coroner's wagon may have it's own reserved parking space.
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December 18th, 2019 at 10:24:48 AM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

According to this interesting but macabre article at Vital Vegas, around 1,100 people die in Vegas hotel rooms every year. "The coroner’s office says 67 percent of those deaths are the result of accidents, 15 percent committed suicide and 11 percent were the victims of homicide. No cause of death could be determined in six percent of the deaths." The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.

The article also addresses the legendary balcony dives at the Luxor, major room thefts, and the fact that, evidently, every surface in your Vegas room has probably had people having coitus on it. Good times.



I just noticed you completely misread that article. It says 1,100 VISITORS die in Vegas every year, only SOME of which are in hotel rooms.

I bet the majority die in traffic accidents.

Even the LVPD claims a total of 121 murders in the ENTIRE CITY in 2018, and only a fraction of those would be in hotels.

Source
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December 18th, 2019 at 10:44:05 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Like most homicides (like 90+%??) , the Vegas ones are probably people who know each other, e.g., a spouse who got mad at another one for blowing all their money. Also, I bet more than a few are drug deals gone bad or something. Being murdered is not something I worry about when I go to Vegas. Keep your wits about you and you probably don't have to worry about being robbed, either.



After a cash out of ~ $2500. I turned around in a parking garage. Saw skethy young man follow me. He looked at the ppl around and turned back inside.
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December 18th, 2019 at 10:45:15 AM permalink
Is it safe to walk the Vegas strip at night?
Las Vegas for the most part is a very safe city for tourist. The major tourist area (the Vegas Strip) is well light, patrolled by metro police on bicycles and horse back and have cameras at every corner looking out for the safety of tourists. ... NEVER, NEVER venture off the Vegas strip especially at night.

What are the bad neighborhoods in Las Vegas?
Detailed List Of The Worst Neighborhoods To Live In Las Vegas For 2019
Rank Neighborhood Population
1 Cultural Corridor 12,643
2 Downtown East 7,843
3 Umc 3,994
4 West Las Vegas 20,217

Is Las Vegas dangerous?
Generally speaking, Las Vegas is safe for travelers; some even consider its secure casinos to be among the world's safest places for tourists. ... Overall, though, Las Vegas does have a higher crime rate than the national average, both for property crime and violent crime.

Is it cheaper to live in Las Vegas than California?
Despite the fact that the cost of living in Nevada is 4% higher than the US average one, it is still much more affordable than in California. ... A median home price even in Las Vegas, the most expensive city to live in Nevada, is only $256,300. In Los Angeles, the sum is almost three times higher – over $600,000.
(I used to live in an area of LA where home prices were the lowest in the Valley at around $250K, but it had 80% of the violent crime.)
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December 18th, 2019 at 10:46:23 AM permalink
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Is it safe to walk the Vegas strip at night?
Las Vegas for the most part is a very safe city for tourist. The major tourist area (the Vegas Strip) is well light, patrolled by metro police on bicycles and horse back and have cameras at every corner looking out for the safety of tourists. ... NEVER, NEVER venture off the Vegas strip especially at night.



I listened to a creepasta youtube just off the strip.
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December 18th, 2019 at 10:54:16 AM permalink
I think my friend got mugged by a hookers driver. Hookers are robbing their clients and I think the casinos are trying to prevent this
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:02:21 AM permalink
When I lived in Vegas if you paid attention you noticed sirens all the time. Doesn’t mean it was murder or even crime, But it certainly didn’t make the place inviting. I’ve lived in two bigger cities and never noticed so many sirens.
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:06:55 AM permalink
Cops would only show up in my neighborhood if there were 20+ cop cars and they were arresting 50+ Mexicans. Otherwise it was a free fire zone with automatic weapons day in & day out.
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:15:17 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Commander Data was king of all DI's in that episode! I bet there were all kinds of AP opportunities in that place.

But no, I don't think I would want to die alone in a casino in that, or any other scenario.



Data legit thought that hard 13 against a 10 was correct basic strategy. The episode played it out as if he was right and the woman was a fool for hitting. Worst episode ever, pardon my french. At least in the recent season of GLOW, when Sam tells Ruth to stand on 12 against a 3, it's forgiven cause he's a bit of an idiot.

Quote: TigerWu

He blew on the dice, and let the Texan's girlfriend blow on them, too... Pretty sure that's against the rules.



For a guy betting what he was betting, he could have swallowed the dice, shat them out on to the table four hours later (insert "passing the dice" joke here) and the roll would have counted.
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:50:27 AM permalink
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When I lived in Vegas if you paid attention you noticed sirens all the time. Doesn’t mean it was murder or even crime, But it certainly didn’t make the place inviting. I’ve lived in two bigger cities and never noticed so many sirens.



When you lived in Vegas, did you live near a major highway or thoroughfare? I've noticed more sirens where I live in Oklahoma vs. when I lived in New York City or LA, but that's only because I live right near a highway and some major roads.

Quote: CharlesMousseau

Data legit thought that hard 13 against a 10 was correct basic strategy. The episode played it out as if he was right and the woman was a fool for hitting.



Plot twist: This scene happened after Data read the book up in the hotel room. Since everyone is acting out their characters from the book, Data "recognized" the scene of the woman being dealt those exact cards and asking the Texan if she should stand or hit. Data was subtly trying to tell her he knew she would bust so she should stand instead.

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For a guy betting what he was betting, he could have swallowed the dice, shat them out on to the table four hours later (insert "passing the dice" joke here) and the roll would have counted.



They weren't betting that much at the beginning of the session. They were only playing with the complimentary chips given to them by the front desk.
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:56:59 AM permalink
In a general sense....living safely, comfortably in Vegas is about one thing. Location, location, location.
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December 18th, 2019 at 1:17:07 PM permalink
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Am I missing something? Is there anybody that would actually want to die alone in a casino?



It was a silly poll question just to get people talking, and I'm pleased it went from Star Trek-specific to actual issues in Vegas.

I've had a subconscious thought that when I'm old and I were to collapse at some random time, it'd be good to do so in a casino where security are monitoring the floor. Of course, if I'm alone in my hotel room, I'd likely be found by the housekeeper. I'd be OK with that if I'm staying in the casino in the first place.
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December 18th, 2019 at 1:26:39 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

It was a silly poll question just to get people talking, and I'm pleased it went from Star Trek-specific to actual issues in Vegas.

I've had a subconscious thought that when I'm old and I were to collapse at some random time, it'd be good to do so in a casino where security are monitoring the floor. Of course, if I'm alone in my hotel room, I'd likely be found by the housekeeper. I'd be OK with that if I'm staying in the casino in the first place.




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December 18th, 2019 at 1:46:50 PM permalink
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfGdhZtKa4


or this...
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December 18th, 2019 at 4:12:26 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

It was a silly poll question just to get people talking, and I'm pleased it went from Star Trek-specific to actual issues in Vegas.

I've had a subconscious thought that when I'm old and I were to collapse at some random time, it'd be good to do so in a casino where security are monitoring the floor. Of course, if I'm alone in my hotel room, I'd likely be found by the housekeeper. I'd be OK with that if I'm staying in the casino in the first place.



Well that’s two different questions then ..

If you’re asking would someone prefer to collapse or faint or lose consciousness in a casino (not die) then yes it is probably a good location for that. Maybe right below a hospital/doctors office in terms of ranking the best places for that to happen.

But you asked if someone would want to die in a casino. That implies that whatever happened to you, you were not able to be saved no matter who was around.
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December 18th, 2019 at 5:49:46 PM permalink
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When I lived in Vegas if you paid attention you noticed sirens all the time. Doesn’t mean it was murder or even crime, But it certainly didn’t make the place inviting. I’ve lived in two bigger cities and never noticed so many sirens.



This is definately true. I've lived in several places and never seen anywhere close to the number of ambulences using sirens.

A person on another board said it was partly because there is a private and public unit dispatched to every call.

Another likely reason is the high number of retirees.

There may also be different laws/regs regarding siren usage. I've noticed that a lot of the time the sirens are on but they don't seem to be in much of a hurry. I suspect they are using the sirens when transporting someone with say, a broken wrist.
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December 18th, 2019 at 6:20:24 PM permalink
Last week an 88-year old "super-fan' of the Memphis college basketball team died while attending one of their games.
story

Cardiac arrest after falling down the stairs. Lots of blah-blah about how he died doing what he loved, but doesn't sound like a quality way to die.
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December 18th, 2019 at 6:42:03 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Last week an 88-year old "super-fan' of the Memphis college basketball team died while attending one of their games.
story

Cardiac arrest after falling down the stairs. Lots of blah-blah about how he died doing what he loved, but doesn't sound like a quality way to die.



He loved climbing stairs ?
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:57:43 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Last week an 88-year old "super-fan' of the Memphis college basketball team died while attending one of their games.
story

Cardiac arrest after falling down the stairs. Lots of blah-blah about how he died doing what he loved, but doesn't sound like a quality way to die.


Clearly a case of quantity overcoming quality...
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December 19th, 2019 at 12:24:06 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888



Cardiac arrest after falling down the stairs. Lots of blah-blah about how he died doing what he loved, but doesn't sound like a quality way to die.




Quote:

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December 20th, 2019 at 5:37:03 AM permalink
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It doesn't really matter where you are...we all die alone.



This is very pessimistic, I do not think that we all die alone.
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December 20th, 2019 at 12:07:25 PM permalink
i remember an competitve runner died in her 40’s in her sleep for an unknown reason. She had no family members. She left her stuff to my friend’s dad. I never really got close to him and i have reservations with how he dealt business with us. seemed like she really did die alone.

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December 27th, 2019 at 7:37:28 AM permalink
When in comes to dying in Vegas casinos, there are very few folks who know more about the topic then my cousin George. He was, at one time, the Director of the UMC Trauma Center. Over the holidays I asked him to comment on this thread so here's his feedback

Quote: AxelWolf

Am I missing something? Is there anybody that would actually want to die alone in a casino?


Apparently a lot of people do. It turns out Las Vegas is one of the top destinations for folks wanting to commit suicide. The preferred method is to OD on pills

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According to this interesting but macabre article at Vital Vegas, around 1,100 people die in Vegas hotel rooms every year. "The coroner’s office says 67 percent of those deaths are the result of accidents, 15 percent committed suicide and 11 percent were the victims of homicide. No cause of death could be determined in six percent of the deaths." The interesting part is what the hotels do with the bodies when they find them.



I'm not sure I trust these stats as there doesn't seem to be any "death by natural causes" in the mix. George told me that the rate of cardiac events (fatal or otherwise) is about 1 per 10,000 visitors per day. For example, at the time the MGM Grand averaged about 35,000 visitors per day and the Fire Dept planners therefore assumed 3 to 4 calls per day to the Grand for heart attacks.

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When I lived in Vegas if you paid attention you noticed sirens all the time. Doesn’t mean it was murder or even crime, But it certainly didn’t make the place inviting. I’ve lived in two bigger cities and never noticed so many sirens.


During the years that George was there, Fire Station 1 was the busiest in the US with 90% of the call-outs for medical events.

I also asked George if there were any weird or unique deaths that stuck in his mind. He told me about a guest who was into auto-erotic asphyxiation. No surprise that he ended up dead. What made this incident to memorable is that this guy liked to set up a cam-corder to film his activities. George said the look on this guy's face when he realized he had misjudged and couldn't get back on his chair was unforgettable.
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December 27th, 2019 at 8:18:37 AM permalink
A friend who was retired NYPD was a shift security supervisor of the Mariott Marque in Time Square. He had quite a few stories he'd tell. My favorite was responding to a call of a woman yelling incoherently. When they entered the room, she was tied to the bed , dressed like Robin. Dead on top of her was her husband, dressed as Batman.
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December 27th, 2019 at 9:46:31 AM permalink
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There may also be different laws/regs regarding siren usage. I've noticed that a lot of the time the sirens are on but they don't seem to be in much of a hurry. I suspect they are using the sirens when transporting someone with say, a broken wrist.


Laws vary by state, but in PA ambulances are supposed to follow the posted speed limit when transporting a patient.

They also rarely use lights and sirens when transporting, only when initially responding to the call. Immediately life threatening conditions are an exception of course.
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