Quote: Beethoven9thVery good then.
Why do you make forum post that contribute nothing? If you just want to increase post count you could have saved time by posting a blank message.
Quote: TwirdmanWhy do you make forum post that contribute nothing?
I do make such posts. You just ignore them and change the subject.
That reminds me. I've been wanting to start a cat and dog picture thread.Quote: TwirdmanWhy do you make forum post that contribute nothing? If you just want to increase post count you could have saved time by posting a blank message.
Quote: s2dbakerThat reminds me. I've been wanting to start a cat and dog picture thread.
You should. That would contribute some humor and give B9 a place to raise his post count.
I support living wages for unskilled workers. The landscape of jobs in the country has changed. The country needs a middle class so that they can afford to keep the economy going and not suck at the teat of the government.
Quote: TwirdmanThe problem with all this talk is people are assuming there is this odd dichotomy either we have to leave things exactly as they are with super high income inequality or we have to have everyone earn exactly the same. Thats silly no one in the US is suggesting that a CEO should earn exactly the same as someone working in McDonalds. People are simply arguing maybe he doesn't need to earn 100,000x as much maybe he can be happy only having 1 or 2 megayachts.
I'd really like to see some more discussion on this good post from way too many pages ago.
Quote: FrGambleI'd really like to see some more discussion on this good post from way too many pages ago.
Nothing to discuss. They guys who get paid a
lot usually deserve it, like it or don't. That's
why capitalism works everywhere it's tried.
Quote: EvenBobNothing to discuss. They guys who get paid a
lot usually deserve it, like it or don't. That's
why capitalism works everywhere it's tried.
Well this is just wrong what about the large number of leisurely rich, a thing that was feared would happen. Also Laissez faire capitalism has had many problems throughout its history. I mean even if you don't think massive wealth inequality is a problem what about all the problems lack of regulation created. Though it is foolish to just neglect wealth inequality which has been shown to lead to a number of negative societal effects like increase in crime rate.
Quote: boymimbo
I support living wages for unskilled workers. The landscape of jobs in the country has changed. The country needs a middle class so that they can afford to keep the economy going and not suck at the teat of the government.
Unskilled workers have never been "middle class." They have always been the entry rung to society. After you get some skills you move up the wage ladder. You are not entitled to a "living wage" just because you exist and work. You start at the bottom while living at home, or if your family life is bad you live with a few roommates. As you work you learn new skills THEN you get a so-called living wage.
Quote: AZDuffmanUnskilled workers have never been "middle class." They have always been the entry rung to society. After you get some skills you move up the wage ladder. You are not entitled to a "living wage" just because you exist and work. You start at the bottom while living at home, or if your family life is bad you live with a few roommates. As you work you learn new skills THEN you get a so-called living wage.
The problem though is real minimum wage has been declining since the 60s even though there has been a massive increase in worker productivity. Even an increase to 10 an hour would only put it back to 68 levels. Again wages get to low and it becomes increasingly difficult to move up. If someone needs to work 60+ hours to support themselves it becomes nearly impossible for them to go to college or a trade school to improve their lot in life. Add a continuing push to gut vocational training programs and remove student financial aid and it basically becomes impossible for anyone to move from minimum wage once they start in that position unless they have family with money to help them.
That's funny. Proving you wrong is now labeled "insulting". lol...Quote: TwirdmanReally B9 most of your post in this thread have been insulting me or just posting racist things Democrats have said.
Still don't know what your point is. Everybody has said racist things at some point in their lives. EVERYBODY. That includes even Obama. Yet you only want to talk about conservatives.Quote: TwirdmanSo B9 now that it wouldn't detract from a real thread are you willing to admit that Rush has said racist things?
Oh well, you obviously enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice, so that's fine.
Quote: Beethoven9thThat's funny. Proving you wrong is now labeled "insulting". lol...
Still don't know what your point is. Everybody has said racist things at some point in their lives. EVERYBODY. That includes even Obama. Yet you only want to talk about conservatives.
Oh well, you obviously enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice, so that's fine.
OK not insulting then what was the purpose of the veiled allusions to my sexuality? Or continually trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out Rush Limbaugh has continually said racist things and yet I won't call Democrats racist even though I clearly called out many for doing racist things. Yet you want to defend Rush for the racist things he does. The simple fact is Rush Limbaugh and many people in the Republican party do and say racist things.
It's all in your head. There were no "veiled allusions", and nothing was "implied". Get a grip, man.Quote: TwirdmanOK not insulting then what was the purpose of the veiled allusions to my sexuality? Or continually trying to imply that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out Rush Limbaugh has continually said racist things
Out of 280 posts, you haven't once said, "The simple fact is Harry Reid and many people in the Democrat party do and say racist things."Quote: TwirdmanThe simple fact is Rush Limbaugh and many people in the Republican party do and say racist things.
Why not? Hmm...
Quote: Beethoven9thIt's all in your head. There were no "veiled allusions", and nothing was "implied". Get a grip, man.
Out of 280 posts, you haven't once said, "The simple fact is Harry Reid and many people in the Democrat party do and say racist things."
Why not? Hmm...
What do you mean I said that both Rosie O'Donnell's and Biden's statements were incredibly ignorant and racist. So your turn did Rush say incredibly racist things.
Quote: TwirdmanHe is one of the major things wrong with this country.
If Rush Limbaugh is one of the major things wrong with the US, your problems are probably easily solved.
Limbaugh is paid for Right wing clown. That's his job. He's the court jester for the conservatives. He says what people are thinking but wouldn't dare say out loud. He caper and clowns, rants and raves, froths and foams, and gets applause from some and tomatoes from others. If he -didn't- get various groups riled up, he'd not be worth the money he makes.
He used to wind me up, until I realized a) don't have to listen to him and b) he's meant to get that reaction.
Quote: TwirdmanWhat do you mean I said that both Rosie O'Donnell's and Biden's statements were incredibly ignorant and racist.
...after _I_ brought them up. Not you. And I wouldn't have even bothered bringing up their racism if you hadn't gone off on your silly Rush rant.
Like I said before, in 280+ posts you've never brought up (on your own) any racist Democrats. Not once.
Quote: Beethoven9th...after _I_ brought them up. Not you. And I wouldn't have even bothered bringing up their racism if you hadn't gone off on your silly Rush rant.
Like I said before, in 280+ posts you've never brought up (on your own) any racist Democrats. Not once.
OK almost all of the former Dixiecrats were racist. Spike Lee has also made some incredibly racist remarks about Uncle Toms. Again though none of this excuses the bad things Republicans do. Saying I know you are but what am I is not a valid defense and neither is well he did it first. Rush said terribly offensive and racist things why won't you admit that.
Also I'm not asking you to bring up your own racist Republican just asking you to admit Rush continually says racist things just like I admitted the other statements were racist.
Very good.Quote: TwirdmanSpike Lee has also made some incredibly racist remarks about Uncle Toms.
BTW, you're reading too much into Rush's comments. Guys like Chris Rock say racist things, but no one ever complains about them. Ever. They shouldn't complain about Rush either.
I don't feel it's necessary to comment on either Rock's comments or Rush's comments because they are ultimately irrelevant. Plus, it will only encourage you to hijack more threads in the future.
he admits it. He could read the phone book and make
it sound interesting. He says out loud what a lot of people
want to hear. Take him for what he is.
Quote: Beethoven9thVery good.
BTW, you're reading too much into Rush's comments. Guys like Chris Rock say racist things, but no one ever complains about them. Ever. They shouldn't complain about Rush either.
I don't feel it's necessary to comment on either Rock's comments or Rush's comments because they are ultimately irrelevant. Plus, it will only encourage you to hijack more threads in the future.
Yeah Chris Rock fashions himself a comedian. Rush fashions himself a kingmaker of the Republican party so not equivalent. Leeway is granted for comedians that is not what Rush bills himself as. Guys like Ted Cruz praise him and listen to him. No one worries about losing an election because of a joke Chris Rock says. So no the two are not at all remotely comparable. I mean you didn't refer to Rush as funny you referred to him as eloquent and someone who knows what they are talking about. Obviously knew you were right though you just won't admit Rush has said incredibly racist and offensive things. Why do you feel so compelled to defend him.
Where did he say that? Genuinely curious.Quote: TwirdmanRush fashions himself a kingmaker of the Republican party
Yeah, and I've said that about many other people as well. For example, George Carlin is/was eloquent. Obama himself is eloquent.Quote: Twirdmanyou referred to him as eloquent
I disagree with both guys' views, but I never feel the need to go off on a silly, childish rant whenever someone uses the word "eloquent" to describe them. You really have some issues, man.
Saying some is eloquent is a fine compliment and can be used for people you disagree with like Reagan was a very good and eloquent speaker who was wrong. You say someone knows what they're talking about though you are saying you agree with them since if you didn't agree with them you would think they were wrong and hence clearly wouldn't think they know what they were talking about.
I have a question though why do you seem so intent on defending his racism.
Quote: TwirdmanYou said he knows what he is talking about .
He does know what he's talking about, that's a
fact. You don't stay on the air 22 years by lying
a lot. That's what happened to Airhead America,
the short lived Lib show that was supposed to
bury Rush. So many lies and misdirections that
they even disgusted the Left.
Why are you so obsessed with Rush Limbaugh? You have some sort of unhealthy fixation on him.Quote: TwirdmanYou said he knows what he is talking about and all he talks about is politics so clearly you agree with his views on that.
He never said he was a "kingmaker of the Republican party". Those are your words, not his.Quote: TwirdmanAlso about him being a kingmaker and leading direction of Republican party he calls himself your guiding light.
You read way too much into people's words. Sometimes people just mean exactly what they say.Quote: TwirdmanYou say someone knows what they're talking about though you are saying you agree with them
Quote: Beethoven9thWhy are you so obsessed with Rush Limbaugh? You have some sort of unhealthy fixation on him.
He never said he was a "kingmaker of the Republican party". Those are your words, not his.
You read way too much into people's words. Sometimes people just mean exactly what they say.
If you don't agree with him how does he know what he's talking about. Do you just choose to agree with the person who doesn't know what they're talking about. Also "Your guiding light is his words." Also kingmaker is the name of many conservatives both politicians and non alike.
Again though why can't you just admit he is racist. This whole thread is devoted to Rush so I'm talking about Rush in it and how Rush is incredibly offensive and racist. I'm not fixated on him I'm just not letting you deny reality. He has said numerous incredibly racist things.
Thank you. He never said "kingmaker of the Republican party". Don't fib next time.Quote: TwirdmanAlso "Your guiding light is his words."
So has everybody else in the world, including Barack Obama. Big deal.Quote: TwirdmanHe has said numerous incredibly racist things.
Quote: Beethoven9thThank you. He never said "kingmaker of the Republican party". Don't fib next time.
So has everybody else in the world, including Barack Obama. Big deal.
Again saying everyone else does it is not a defense. Also you claimed Obama playing the race card is racist when it simply is not inherently. As for the others you notice I never defended any of those saying well everyone says racist things so you know what they get a pass. Someone says something racist you call him on it. Rush said racist things so you call him out on it.
Quote: mickeycrimmI'm a centrist so everybody hates me. Sigh. I think Rush is mild compared to Glen Beck. I was listening to Beck one day and he was trying to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, for Christsakes.
Sadly that is more common than you think now a days but yeah Glenn Beck is totally nuts. Rush is bad but yeah Glenn Beck is worse. But thats like comparing a flu to ebola. Both are bad.
Quote: mickeycrimmI'm a centrist so everybody hates me. Sigh. I think Rush is mild compared to Glen Beck. I was listening to Beck one day and he was trying to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, for Christsakes.
McCarthy had the right idea, he just went overboard
with it. We were crawling with commies in the 50's and
they had to be rooted out. Too many spies.
Quote: EvenBobMcCarthy had the right idea, he just went overboard
with it. We were crawling with commies in the 50's and
they had to be rooted out. Too many spies.
Really. He ruined people's lives because he was paranoid. Yeah there were some soviet spies but that doesn't justify punishing random people.
Quote: TwirdmanReally. He ruined people's lives because he was paranoid. Yeah there were some soviet spies but that doesn't justify punishing random people.
What did I just say, he went overboard with it.
What do you think going overboard means.
Quote: EvenBobWhat did I just say, he went overboard with it.
What do you think going overboard means.
Any amount is overboard. Yes we should try and find spies but everything about the way he did it was wrong. It wasn't a matter of excess, the way he started about it was wrong. I mean again you don't just capriciously punish people.
I mean besides wanting to find spies, which anyone tries to do, what did he do right.
Quote: Twirdman
I mean besides wanting to find spies, which anyone tries to do, what did he do right.
Ann Coulter wrote a book about it, read it and learn something.
Quote: EvenBobWhat did I just say, he went overboard with it.
What do you think going overboard means.
I have a feeling Twird is some 25-year-old kid who has the world figured out already.
Quote: TwirdmanAgain saying everyone else does it is not a defense
How long are you going to keep this thread going with your unhealthy Limbaugh obsession?
Quote: Beethoven9thHow long are you going to keep this thread going with your unhealthy Limbaugh obsession?
You mean how long am I going to talk about the subject of the thread whether Rush Limbaugh is a racist, as long as the thread continues.
Quote: Twirdman...as long as the thread continues.
This "thread" is a spin-off because you couldn't control yourself from going off topic in the "living wage" thread. Are all of you people like this?
Quote: Beethoven9thThis "thread" is a spin-off because you couldn't control yourself from going off topic in the "living wage" thread. Are all of you people like this?
What do you mean by you people? Also exactly this thread is a spin-off meant to talk about whether Rush Limbaugh is a racist so I'm talking about Rush being a racist. Also why is thread in quotes it quite clearly is a thread.
Like I said before, you guys just like to hear yourselves talk.
Quote: Beethoven9th^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Like I said before, you guys just like to hear yourselves talk.
Why do you keep saying you guys or you people what are you getting at.
The more I learn about you guys, the more I have to shake my head. Anyway, this thread is getting old. Later.
Quote: Beethoven9th*headshake*
The more I learn about you guys, the more I have to shake my head. Anyway, this thread is getting old. Later.
Who wants to bet all of this another veiled insult about my sexuality. He seemed insistent on not specifying even though I asked him for clarification and don't know what group I belong to where he wouldn't just use the name, like liberal has no problem calling people that. B9 constantly does this have no idea why he is obsessed with my sexuality. Asked me close to half a dozen times or more about it.
Quote: Twirdman...about my sexuality.
What the hell are you talking about? "You guys" means "liberals". DUH!
YOU are the one who keeps bringing up the "asexual" thing, not me. I don't know why you keep bringing up your asexualness and then getting mad when others mention it. *headshake*
Quote: Beethoven9thWhat the hell are you talking about? "You guys" means "liberals". DUH!
YOU are the one who keeps bringing up the "asexual" thing, not me. I don't know why you keep bringing up your asexualness and then getting mad when others mention it. *headshake*
Of course you said you guys when you referred to me as a liberal but other liberals you just say liberals. Let me guess the multiple questions about my community were also about the liberal community right.
The only time I've mentioned it when you clearly didn't casually imply it was when you first asked me whether I was gay. Oh and the multiple times you called me an internet asexual just wanted to clarify you were talking to me even though you quoted me. This time though clearly believe you were talking about being liberal.