2016 Election
Quote: BozAgain glad I made you laugh, just like I laugh at most liberal voters. And I think it's funny that they are always looking for "fairness" instead of working harder to improve themselves. So many chances to move up in this country, but most don't. I wonder what choices made you such a liberal? I wonder if I would find it funny or sad?
Or perhaps you an elitist liberal. You know the ones who are living a good life, making good money, yet think they are special and most just are not capable of repeating what they did. And those people need them to take care of hem because they just are not smart enough or dedicated enough to succeed. You know, the base of liberal voters who you count on every 4 years with promises of something for nothing.
I lean left
I've worked hard my whole life
Never taken a handout
I am not elitist, just a regular working joe putting in 40 a week
I strongly believe to get ahead, you work hard.
Left or right, its not one side is wrong and one side is right
Its about a different outlook.
for example
I have compassion for those that I feel need help and believe in a safety net
You probably believe everybody using a safety net is abusing it and its not needed
I or you are neither right or wrong, we simply view the situation from a different perspective
Its not right vs wrong. Its not good vs evil.
Its 2 different philosophys trying to solve our countrys problems
Quote: RonCSo...I am waiting for Trump's reaction to losing. I know it is "only" Iowa, but it is a loss. He says that he has one everything...waiting to see how he spins this away...
Prediction
He will say something like
Iowa is a small state, meaningless. They aren't doing to well as a state. Last 2 elections, they elected losers.
He comes off as bitter and angry in his speech. It doesn't work well for him.
23% is very close. The NH primary will be
the real test. Santorum and Huckabee were
the last two IA winners and we all know what
good non nominee's they turned out to be.
Quote: RonCSo...I am waiting for Trump's reaction to losing. I know it is "only" Iowa, but it is a loss. He says that he has one everything...waiting to see how he spins this away...
Considering what I think of Cruz I'm glad he beat Trump.
Trumps ability to dominate the campaigns has been undeniable. If Trump had any record, Governor, or even Mayor that was anywhere near as good as his mouth -- he'd crush all his opponents with this run. With his rather unusual personality, I personally don't feel comfortable finding out if the people who support him are right.
Of course, the fat lady doesn't sing yet.
Outcome of Hillary and Sanders race doesn't surprise me at this point.
Quote: ams288Someone needs to remind Marco Rubio that he came in third.
He comes off as bitter and angry in his speech. It doesn't work well for him.
Huh? I thought he gave an good, positive speech about the American Dream.
I didn't think he overplayed his finish; rather, he acknowledged that he finished well enough to affirm his candidacy. Many other Republicans finishing low and Iowa and doing bad in the polls in other places should get out. One was smart enough to alreasy.
Quote: terapinedPrediction
He will say something like
Iowa is a small state, meaningless. They aren't doing to well as a state. Last 2 elections, they elected losers.
He actually did not do bad--he did not say anything bad about Iowa and he managed to work in his huge poll lead in New Hampshire.
I still don't see anything stopping him from winning the nomination at this point. The good thing for political junkies is that the plot twists fairly often...
Quote: ams288Someone needs to remind Marco Rubio that he came in third.
He comes off as bitter and angry in his speech. It doesn't work well for him.
I thought Rubio sounded angry at the debate as well. I felt like he was talking down to me. I don't know if anyone else felt that way.
But, I disagree about the coming in third. That was the big surprise and I think that probably makes him the big winner tonight.
The Iowa loss is not devastating to Trump. I thought he might lose. I said early, finishing second might be the best thing for him, because it keeps Cruz alive longer.
Cruz will declare that he won and he did. He has a right to do that. That keeps him alive. I don't think it will translate to too much in New Hampshire, but we will see about South Carolina.
While Rubio can celebrate his strong third showing, much stronger than expected, this will also come with a price. he will now be the target of the other establishment candidates big time in New Hampshire. Jeb, Kasich and Christie have all put all their eggs in one basket.....New Hampshire. For any one of these guys to move on they have to bring down Rubio. Expect a lot of negative ads against Rubio in the next 8 days in New Hampshire, especially from Jeb and his super pac that still have a lot of money.
You Trump haters can celebrate. He didn't do as well as final polls and that late support obviously went to Rubio. But Iowa was never a Trump strong hold. I don't think it means all that much. We will see what happens.
Quote: RonCThe good thing for political junkies is that the plot twists fairly often...
Agreed. I love this season! :)
Quote: kewljBut Iowa was never a Trump strong hold. I don't think it means all that much. We will see what happens.
Wolf Biltzer just said until 10 days ago,
nobody, including Trump, thought he
would win IA. He was always going
to be in 2nd place. Many advised Trump
to skip IA entirely because they're such
an anal retentive state they thought he
didn't have a chance. I have a friend in
IA and he says the amount of credit
they give themselves for being first
in voting is way over rated.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWell, right under his name it says "Member since: Jul 18, 2010".
.
But I didn't start posting till 2013. Who was
posting under my name before then is under
investigation.
That's not what you said. You said you weren't even ON the forum:Quote: EvenBobBut I didn't start posting till 2013
I'm seeing a pattern here:Quote: EvenBobNice try, I wasn't even on this forum till 2013.
EvenBob: Reagan NEVER entered the oval office in anything less than a suit and tie.
[photographic evidence to the contrary is posted]
EvenBob: Sometimes he appeared casually on the weekends. And somehow that means I wasn't wrong.
- - - - - -
EvenBob: I wasn't even on this forum till 2013.
[evidence to the contrary is pointed out]
EvenBob. But I didn't start posting until 2013. [Even though that's not what he said just a minute ago.]
Why do you even post? Do you think anyone actually takes you seriously?
Quote: MichaelBluejay...Do you think anyone actually takes you seriously?
He claims to beat roulette with a betting system and at Indian casinos. One guess on the correct answer.
I guess they think the establishment big wigs and big money all fall in line backing Rubio now. I don't know that Rubio doing better than expected in one small state, where only 150 thousand people voted changes the fact that there is heavy anti-establishment sentiment out there on the Repub side. Seems like it might be an over reaction to me.
I am already looking forward to see what New Hampshire brings.
Quote: MichaelBluejay
Why do you even post? Do you think anyone actually takes you seriously?
What a silly question. Seriously..
Quote: EvenBobBut I didn't start posting till 2013. Who was
posting under my name before then is under
investigation.
Who is conducting the investigation?
Who claimed to have made all 19,000 posts?
It is almost like you are...whoops..can't say that...
Quote: kewljWell the betting odds have gone berserk. Trump went from Even money or slightly lower to almost 3-1 to win the nomination, while Rubio is now the even money favorite.
I guess they think the establishment big wigs and big money all fall in line backing Rubio now. I don't know that Rubio doing better than expected in one small state, where only 150 thousand people voted changes the fact that there is heavy anti-establishment sentiment out there on the Repub side. Seems like it might be an over reaction to me.
I am already looking forward to see what New Hampshire brings.
A candidate wants to generate enough interest to get his supporters or potential supporters off their butts and vote. On the other hand a divisive campaign can motivate some groups to vote for your opponents just to cast that "anyone but him" kind of anti-vote.
Trump has possibly run that kind of campaign. He may get those "anyone but him" votes from lots of Hispanics for instance. I don't know that it would be a factor in Iowa, but I can see that kind of thing happening.
Whoa! A Bob bash, I gotta get in on this.... not really. I have a soft spot for curmudgeons.Quote: MichaelBluejayThat's not what you said.
<snip>
Why do you even post? Do you think anyone actually takes you seriously?
As to being wrong with political predictions, you might remember I was SHOUTING for a Walker/Rubio ticket ;-(
I think Trump might be an Alien. I don't mean from south of the border, I mean from another universe altogether. He might be two Aliens, that furry thing on his head may be a separate parasitic life form.
I suspect EvenBob too ;-)
Quote: kewljI thought Rubio sounded angry at the debate as well. I felt like he was talking down to me. I don't know if anyone else felt that way.
I thought the same thing during the debate. He just seems mad to me sometimes when he's speaking.
I'm sure Rubio would hate this comparison, but he is trying to play the Obama role in this campaign - a young senator who is running to inspire hope in people. Only Rubio is never gonna inspire anyone other than hardcore righties with his angry persona.
Haha.
Quote: ams288I'm watching Morning Joe, and Ted Cruz's campaign people are saying they knew he was going to win, and that their data was telling them that Trump was hurt by skipping the debate on Thursday night.
Haha.
I think he was hurt by skipping the debate. How much? Who knows. He ALWAYS commands the room and, even though there would have been attacks from others on him, he would have done his usually fine job of taking them on, saying very little in real terms, and keeping himself in front of the camera. He was seen by less people on his sideshow than he would have been on the debate and, combined with his smaller ground game, he gave more room to Cruz.
Does it matter? Well, the lead is huge in NH. Cruz would need a surge of epic size to even come close, Maybe it doesn't. I just know Trump hates to lose and he just lost. I think he could have prevented it, but maybe not.
The huge turnout for Sanders in the two main university towns leads me to think that a large amount of his support is going to come from college students who will be under the impression that (a) tuition really will be free, and (b) their student loans will be paid off for them. Of course, even if the Democrats somehow get a majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate (well, just long enough to get rid of filibusters - then, if it looks like the Republicans would take control in 2018, change it back to needing 2/3 to make it that much harder for the Republicans to get rid of any of the changes), what stops the states from saying, "Hmmm, all public school tuition paid for by the government, eh? Effective immediately, tuition at State U (they have to set a value, as they still charge foreign students) will be $250,000/year - we're sending the bill to Washington"?
I heard on the local station this morning that five precincts in Iowa chose a "winner" by coin toss. It seems that Hillary won all five. That is a pretty good streak...
"As a result of the coin toss, Clinton was awarded an additional delegate, meaning she took five of the precinct’s eight, while Sanders received three."
"Similar situations were reported elsewhere, including at a precinct in Des Moines, at another precinct in Des Moines, in Newton, in West Branch and in Davenport. In all five situations, Clinton won the toss."
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/
Quote: RonCHere's something for the "Odds" folks...
I heard on the local station this morning that five precincts in Iowa chose a "winner" by coin toss. It seems that Hillary won all five. That is a pretty good streak...
"As a result of the coin toss, Clinton was awarded an additional delegate, meaning she took five of the precinct’s eight, while Sanders received three."
"Similar situations were reported elsewhere, including at a precinct in Des Moines, at another precinct in Des Moines, in Newton, in West Branch and in Davenport. In all five situations, Clinton won the toss."
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/
I need to know whether the coin actually flipped............
It won't be the states that do what you described, but the administrations of universities. That's pretty much what they do now, knowing it's all being paid for with loans. It's similar to the gauging process in health care.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
"By contrast, a major factor driving increasing costs is the constant expansion of university administration. According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.
Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 — a 221 percent increase."
Part of Bernie's process would have to be to try to root that out, if possible. Off the top of my head, he could use the initial federal spending as a bargaining chip.
One good thing is that University admins can't bribe as many politicians as the health care companies or private lenders. Remove the private lenders from the equation and we will at least be able to do a project in good faith But, of course that involves crooked politicians to vote for themselves to fewer bribes. It's a pickle.
Quote: RigondeauxI don't think it's surprising that students would have a backlash to the government and private lenders conspiring to turn them into indentured workers. Who would be happy about it?
It won't be the states that do what you described, but the administrations of universities. That's pretty much what they do now, knowing it's all being paid for with loans. It's similar to the gauging process in health care.
I don't know about other states, but in California, the Governor is also the President of the Regents of the University of California (i.e. the ten UC schools - Berkeley, UCLA, Davis, Irvine, Riverside, Santa Barbara, San Diego (not to be confused with San Diego State), San Francisco (which is a graduate medical school), Santa Cruz, and I think Merced), so there is a definite link to the states. Remember, free tuition applies only to public schools - if you get into Harvard or Southern Cal, you pay for it yourself.
Quote: RigondeauxI don't think it's surprising that students would have a backlash to the government and private lenders conspiring to turn them into indentured workers. Who would be happy about it?
It won't be the states that do what you described, but the administrations of universities. That's pretty much what they do now, knowing it's all being paid for with loans. It's similar to the gauging process in health care.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
"By contrast, a major factor driving increasing costs is the constant expansion of university administration. According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.
Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 — a 221 percent increase."
Part of Bernie's process would have to be to try to root that out, if possible. Off the top of my head, he could use the initial federal spending as a bargaining chip.
One good thing is that University admins can't bribe as many politicians as the health care companies or private lenders. Remove the private lenders from the equation and we will at least be able to do a project in good faith But, of course that involves crooked politicians to vote for themselves to fewer bribes. It's a pickle.
Also tons of taxpayers money at Public universities spent on sports instead of education
Who are the most highly paid state employees?
The Governor?
University President?
Of course not
Typically the highest paid state employees in most states are sports coaches
Quote: terapinedAlso tons of taxpayers money at Public universities spent on sports instead of education
Who are the most highly paid state employees?
The Governor?
University President?
Of course not
Typically the highest paid state employees in most states are sports coaches
The coaches are paid the most because of the revenues that the sports programs bring in. I would be all for having the coaches earn less and have maybe trust funds set up for players for their future use,, or some other form of compensation to the players. But again, coaches earn what they earn because of what is available from revenues.
Anyway, did you guys see that Hillary got 18 yos in a row? OK, not quite. She supposedly went six for six on coin tosses to pick up dead locked delegates.
What do you think about that?
Quote: steeldcoThe coaches are paid the most because of the revenues that the sports programs bring in. I would be all for having the coaches earn less and have maybe trust funds set up for players for their future use,, or some other form of compensation to the players. But again, coaches earn what they earn because of what is available from revenues.
I thought a recent survey showed that only something like 12 schools make money on football if you don't include the money the university gives the athletic department.
And I can see this getting worse if the NCAA eventually backs down and allows players to be paid. "Why, yes, we charge our star quarterback $250,000 more per year in tuition (which gets "paid back" to him) - is that a problem?"
"A quarter of federal government employees say they would consider leaving their jobs if Donald Trump were to become president, according to a new poll. "
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/267783-poll-25-percent-of-federal-employees-would-quit-under
Think of it...cut the government by 25% right off the bat. Let's collect names and put in resignation letters (with the caveat that Trump is elected) and get this rolling.
Quote: RonCI may well switch my support to Trump if this is even close to true:
"A quarter of federal government employees say they would consider leaving their jobs if Donald Trump were to become president, according to a new poll. "
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/267783-poll-25-percent-of-federal-employees-would-quit-under
Think of it...cut the government by 25% right off the bat. Let's collect names and put in resignation letters (with the caveat that Trump is elected) and get this rolling.
Key phrase: "would consider."
Reminds me of when people say they're gonna move to Canada if [insert candidate's name here] is elected.
Quote: ams288Key phrase: "would consider."
Reminds me of when people say they're gonna move to Canada if [insert candidate's name here] is elected.
I agree--and I invited all of the people from both parties threatening that to leave now. None have taken me up on it yet, of course. Let's just find the ones that will commit to quitting and get their names on paper.
Democrats:
Hillary won 22 delegates. Bernie won 21. 1 uncommitted. (Hillary also won all 8 super delegates).
That looks to be a tie. But is it? In a race where Hillary has locked up 500 of the 600 super delegates, a ties in a place that should be a stronghold for Sanders seems like a win to me.
Republicans:
Cruz 8 delegates, Trump 7 delegates, Rubio 7 delegates, Carson 3 delegates, Jeb 1 delegate, Paul 1 delegate, 3 uncommitted.
Cruz does get to claim victory. But really, he holds a single delegate lead in a state he went all in with and is probably his second strongest state (after Texas).
Betting sites now have Rubio as the odds on favorite to win the nomination. I think that is an over-reaction. 5 polls for new Hampshire released yesterday and today, have Trump leading between 16 and 25 points for an average lead of almost 19 points. It was a good night for Rubio, but I don't see how a small Midwestern state, not really representative of the rest of the country, in which less that 8 percent of the voters participate, changes the race that dramatically for the rest of the country. We will see.
If this is an indication that they do not, he could be in trouble. He has almost no ground game. He's relying on a lot of highly motivated people turning out on their own.
Just my own angle, but the whole country is focused on Iowa right now. It's a huge media event. NH will be the same, but after that it tappers off. So this sort of person might become progressively less likely to show up as the primaries move on.
Quote: RonCWho is conducting the investigation?
Who claimed to have made all 19,000 posts?
It is almost like you are...whoops..can't say that...
OJ has some time while sitting in Loveland for the next 20 months. Perhaps he added it to his other search.
Congratulations are in order for those have devised a new way of selecting candidates, a method presumably derived from the N.F.L. Who needs actual voters any more?Quote: kewljHillary won 22 delegates. Bernie won 21. 1 uncommitted. (Hillary also won all 8 super delegates).
That looks to be a tie. But is it? In a race where Hillary has locked up 500 of the 600 super delegates, a ties in a place that should be a stronghold for Sanders seems like a win to me.
"While it was hard to call a winner between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders last night, it’s easy to say who was luckier. The race between the Democrat presidential hopefuls was so tight in the Iowa caucus Monday that in at least six precincts, the decision on awarding a county delegate came down to a coin toss. And Clinton won all six, media reports said.
The situation came about in precincts where Sanders and Clinton were running neck-and-neck, but there were an odd number of delegates, so they couldn’t be evenly split between the two. That was the case in precincts in Ames, Newton, West Branch, Davenport and two in Des Moines, the Des Moines Register reported." marketwatch
Quote: ThatDonGuyI thought a recent survey showed that only something like 12 schools make money on football if you don't include the money the university gives the athletic department.
And I can see this getting worse if the NCAA eventually backs down and allows players to be paid. "Why, yes, we charge our star quarterback $250,000 more per year in tuition (which gets "paid back" to him) - is that a problem?"
You could be right, although I would it hard to believe that universities would be paying their coaches as much as they are if the programs weren't earning large revenues.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI thought a recent survey showed that only something like 12 schools make money on football if you don't include the money the university gives the athletic department.
And I can see this getting worse if the NCAA eventually backs down and allows players to be paid. "Why, yes, we charge our star quarterback $250,000 more per year in tuition (which gets "paid back" to him) - is that a problem?"
Well, this was easier to look up than I thought that It might be. ESPN has a report on NCAA revenue. I think I am looking at just football, but I look at the 119th. ranked team, which is the Arkansas State Red Wolves. It shows that they pulled in $8,392,852 in revenue. $1,078,234 of it from the University (don't understand why the University would have to contribute). You would think that they are making money, no?
So where are all the calls from liberals that making voters show ID is used to keep voters away??
Always follow the money grasshopper, this will lead to enlightenment..Quote: steeldcoWell, this was easier to look up than I thought that It might be. ESPN has a report on NCAA revenue. I think I am looking at just football, but I look at the 119th. ranked team, which is the Arkansas State Red Wolves. It shows that they pulled in $8,392,852 in revenue. $1,078,234 of it from the University (don't understand why the University would have to contribute). You would think that they are making money, no?
Quote: steeldcoWell, this was easier to look up than I thought that It might be. ESPN has a report on NCAA revenue. I think I am looking at just football, but I look at the 119th. ranked team, which is the Arkansas State Red Wolves. It shows that they pulled in $8,392,852 in revenue. $1,078,234 of it from the University (don't understand why the University would have to contribute). You would think that they are making money, no?
The same report has a separate table for expenses...and Arkansas State had $10,388,098 in expenses, which results in a net loss of $1,995,246.
I just thought of something...if public schools become tuition free, then public schools have a major advantage over private ones in that they can "sign" far more players, since pretty much everyone can be a walk-on. True, there's the cost of housing and books, but I wouldn't be surprised if those suddenly skyrocket to the point where Sanders says that these need to be free as well, as otherwise it defeats the purpose of "free education."
+1 . my nipples got hard just reading this. 'course it doesn't take that much anymore..Quote: ThatDonGuyThe same report has a separate table for expenses...and Arkansas State had $10,388,098 in expenses, which results in a net loss of $1,995,246.
I just thought of something...if public schools become tuition free, then public schools have a major advantage over private ones in that they can "sign" far more players, since pretty much everyone can be a walk-on. True, there's the cost of housing and books, but I wouldn't be surprised if those suddenly skyrocket to the point where Sanders says that these need to be free as well, as otherwise it defeats the purpose of "free education."
Large-scale athletics programs are important tools for reaping alumni donations.Quote: steeldcoYou could be right, although I would it hard to believe that universities would be paying their coaches as much as they are if the programs weren't earning large revenues.
Quote: BozJust a quick question about the Iowa vote last night. It appears there was a record number of walk up first time caucus goers, so much that some sites ran out of forms and had to scramble to print more.
So where are all the calls from liberals that making voters show ID is used to keep voters away??
You seem very confused about every issue you attempt to attack liberals over.
Iowa does not have a voter ID law.
So they didn't have to present ID in order to vote last night, that is why liberals aren't complaining.
Again: LOL
He says something stinks about the election.
Cruz has said he will get rid of the ethanol
subsidy that's paid to corn farmers. This is
a huge deal in IA, my friend says. They depend
on that subsidy in a state that's runs on corn
income. He can't figure out how in the hell
Cruz got so many votes.
He also say IA people love being the center
of attention every 4 years and they love lying
to pollsters. They roll on the ground and
pee themselves when somebody is high in the
polls and somebody else entirely gets elected.
Surprise!!
Do they sign in?Quote: ams288So they didn't have to present ID in order to vote last night, that is why liberals aren't complaining.
