WoVCon ]I[ Date, Place and Time
Quote: HotBlondeWell, in my humble opinion, just because they offer $3 minimums at the table doesn't mean it's the best. I'm big on atmosphere and if its $10 minimum at a place next door that's way nicer then I'd rather play at a nicer place then somewhere that's dingy and attracting similar-type people. And honestly even $10 is not bad, or even $15. And since it'll be Memorial Day weekend you'll probably not find super cheap tables anyway. And not that I'm uppity or anything but cheap tables are going to attract cheap people and I don't have fun playing at a table with people who look like they just got off a bus from Hickville.
A $10 table is MUCH different than a $3 table. You may be comfortable at $10 table (in fact I would be fine with that), but I think the big thing with this event is inclusivity. With 20X odds (I believe that is the policy on $3 bets at CR), you can have a lot of fun without a big house edge, and that's really the raison d'être of these boards, right? Plus, the drinks are frequent and cheap if you're not gambling. The last time I was there, the clientèle was not bad at all. In fact it attracts a younger set than Flamingo/Margaritaville I think.
It's going to be crowded anywhere, due to the weekend, but I think we should stick with CR for this specific part of the weekend. They may have raised their minimums to $5, but if that's the case then Margaritaville is probably going to be $15. There will be plenty of time to branch off before/later :).
That could be true, but you might have that backwards. Usually casinos keep their table minimums higher until after 12 noon due to the fact that they're trying to bank on people who want to put a last gamble in before checking out and leaving. But I could be wrong about that.Quote: RonCNareed, I think Casino Royale switched to $5 minimums after noon on Thursday the last time I was in town. They have the $3 game most of the week until that point from what I remember (at least during the day).
There'll probably be an opportunity to do both. but no one is required to participate in any table that is higher than their means. But I am going to hang out for the fun of the company so ulitmately it won't matter to me where we play, I'm just looking forward to the comaraderie. I was just voicing my personal opinion on where I like to play.Quote: AcesAndEightsA $10 table is MUCH different than a $3 table. You may be comfortable at $10 table (in fact I would be fine with that), but I think the big thing with this event is inclusivity. With 20X odds (I believe that is the policy on $3 bets at CR), you can have a lot of fun without a big house edge, and that's really the raison d'être of these boards, right? Plus, the drinks are frequent and cheap if you're not gambling. The last time I was there, the clientèle was not bad at all. In fact it attracts a younger set than Flamingo/Margaritaville I think.
It's going to be crowded anywhere, due to the weekend, but I think we should stick with CR for this specific part of the weekend. They may have raised their minimums to $5, but if that's the case then Margaritaville is probably going to be $15. There will be plenty of time to branch off before/later :).
I'm still looking for advice on how to get the best deal on a Rock Of Ages ticket when I'm out there! Speak up, ye of information holders!
Quote: HotBlondeWell, in my humble opinion, just because they offer $3 minimums at the table doesn't mean it's the best. I'm big on atmosphere and if its $10 minimum at a place next door that's way nicer then I'd rather play at a nicer place then somewhere that's dingy and attracting similar-type people. And honestly even $10 is not bad, or even $15.
Well, on a 17-day gambling budget, it's noticeable, if not bad. Not that I expect to gamble every day, but nearly so. Good thing I know how to pace myself.
Of course, if I hit a royal at the Cal on Friday morning.... ;)
Quote:And since it'll be Memorial Day weekend you'll probably not find super cheap tables anyway. And not that I'm uppity or anything but cheap tables are going to attract cheap people and I don't have fun playing at a table with people who look like they just got off a bus from Hickville.
To your first point, I doubt CR will have a limit higher than $5. To the rest, I agree, but being cheap myself I don't mind slumming it down a bit ;)
If anyone knows how I can get a good rate on a Shania ticket as well please let me know! I love her so much!
It's hard to keep Rome in mind when taking a break from it.
That could be true. But when our host Nareed calls to make the reservation she can ask them at the restaurant if they think it'll be loud and crazy at that time. If so we can decide to maybe go somewhere else. I'm still recommending The Pub at Monte Carlo. And I like the idea of Margaritaville. I think it'll be ok and I'm not sure other than the Wizard's trivia that he plans on doing with us why there would be a need to avoid a more lively place. Like my guitarist father would say, "If it's too loud, you're too old!" LolQuote: DRichI am planning on attending wherever the lunch is, but I think Margaritaville will be a zoo on that Saturday of Memorial day weekend.
Quote: HotBlondeThat could be true.
I assume every spot on the Strip will be likely packed.
Quote:I think it'll be ok and I'm not sure other than the Wizard's trivia that he plans on doing with us why there would be a need to avoid a more lively place.
I hate loud places passionately. The only reason I endured the Ditz for more time than it took to pass through to the upper, vintage floor, was that the Wizard and Nick said they were talking.
It's too bad I can't afford a nice, large suite with a kitchen. I'd cook lunch and we could hold WoVCon there.
well then I think you picked the wrong place to vacation, lol. Especially on a holiday weekend.Quote: NareedI hate loud places passionately.
Quote: HotBlondewell then I think you picked the wrong place to vacation, lol. Especially on a holiday weekend.
I was pleasantly surprised on my first trip to find Vegas a rather tranquil place. Sure, there are some noisy palces, but usually I just pass through or by them quickly. Naturally I stay away from the approximations of hell others call nightclubs, pool parties, etc. The only problem is Fremont St. The loud music works with the light show, when I'm so inclined. otherwise inside the casinos it doens't bother me.
If the whole city were too noisy, I'd have never returned.
Quote: uwfargoIf you guys choose a place that accepts Mlife express comps, then I will cover the tab (except gratuity) up to $5,000.
So The Pub at Monte Carlo it is!
j/k, but if you're serious...Nareed we should consider this guy's offer.
How do we know you're real? Have you met forum members in the past? It would suck to make plans based on your offer and then you disappear.
Pub at Monte Carlo? Screw that! Go to Petrossian at Bellagio and load up on caviar!Quote: AcesAndEightsSo The Pub at Monte Carlo it is!
LOL. Yeah. That SUCKED. I remember I said some not-so-kind things about the Wizard's signature line after that session. Good company, though.Quote: AcesAndEightsYeah those tables were ICE cold. 20x were definitely offered, but none of us were taking advantage of it, at least early on. I think we were probably doing 3-4-5x or I might have been going 5x on everything.
I do remember right before we left, I thought "fuck it" and started betting $5 base bets with $100 odds on everything. The table got even colder and make quick work of my meager remaining bankroll.
Quote: AcesAndEightsj/k, but if you're serious...Nareed we should consider this guy's offer.
You know, I've never fallen for scams or phishing schemes because I distrust offers of free stuff from random strangers. ;)
Quote: NareedYou know, I've never fallen for scams or phishing schemes because I distrust offers of free stuff from random strangers. ;)
Ah, but uwfargo is not a random stranger, he is a group member who has posted his thoughts on gambling topics.
There is no reason to turn down his offer; send him a PM if you need to establish his bonafides, but don't do it publicly.
Quote: NareedYou know, I've never fallen for scams or phishing schemes because I distrust offers of free stuff from random strangers. ;)
No worries. I'll withdraw the offer.
Jeez, THANKS Nareed! And MrV was right, he's not a random stranger. But at the same time if uwfargo was a good man he would've stuck by his offer regardless of your doubts. And there's also the possibility that he didn't mean the offer in the first place and was looking for an opportunity to "blame" it on someone to "get out" of the fake commitment.Quote: uwfargoNo worries. I'll withdraw the offer.
Quote: uwfargoNo worries. I'll withdraw the offer.
Once again no good deed....... I believe you were sincere and don't blame you for withdrawing the offer.
Quote: HotBlondeJeez, THANKS Nareed! And MrV was right, he's not a random stranger. But at the same time if uwfargo was a good man he would've stuck by his offer regardless of your doubts. And there's also the possibility that he didn't mean the offer in the first place and was looking for an opportunity to "blame" it on someone to "get out" of the fake commitment.
Why would I make the commitment in the first place if I really wanted to "get out" of it? No one forced me to make the offer.
I made the offer because almost all of the MGM properties will comp my room, food and beverage so I have never had to use express comps. I am capped at $10,000 express comps and will probably never have to use them.
As far as being a "good man," you think I want to cover someone's meal that has accused me of being a scam artist? All anybody had to do was agree on a time and place of where everybody was going to eat and I would show up and pay with express comps. At the very least Nareed could have just declined the offer without the accusations.
I would still like to meet the Wizard and still plan on coming in May. Maybe by the time WoVCon 2014 comes there will be less cynicism.
I see what you are saying. At the same time my observation is that if this is true, you were withdrawing your kind offer due to one negative person. There are a handful of forum people planning on being there that weekend. And that was a very quick reaction. I believe most people would feel the way you did, I know I would've been irked, but you allowed that to influence your behavior on the matter. This could have been an opportunity to exercise some integrity and been the "better person" so to speak (not that I'm saying anyone in the forum is better or less than anyone else, I'm just saying that for example) and let her be proved wrong. Another option could have been for you to say that you would instead offer just to have a get-together dinner with a group of forum people who were interested in meeting up as a group. Those who wanted to go could and those who didn't won't. The WoVCon activities don't revolve around one particular lunch that Saturday afternoon, the forum members can get together at any time that weekend.Quote: uwfargoAs far as being a "good man," you think I want to cover someone's meal that has accused me of being a scam artist? All anybody had to do was agree on a time and place of where everybody was going to eat and I would show up and pay with express comps. At the very least Nareed could have just declined the offer without the accusations.
Quote: uwfargoQuote: NareedYou know, I've never fallen for scams or phishing schemes because I distrust offers of free stuff from random strangers. ;)
No worries. I'll withdraw the offer.
Did you not see the winky face? I don't think Nareed was dismissing your offer. But I'll let her clarify if that is the case...
Interesting. I myself did not notice the winky face. But I'm wondering if the weight of the negative comment outweighed the winky-face's intent to suggest that she was kidding. It did seem like a pretty negative thing to say cause you would think if she's in charge of getting people together that weekend that she'd want more people to attend than less people. The more the merrier, right? But who knows, I await what Nareed has to say.Quote: AcesAndEightsQuote: uwfargoQuote: NareedYou know, I've never fallen for scams or phishing schemes because I distrust offers of free stuff from random strangers. ;)
No worries. I'll withdraw the offer.
Did you not see the winky face? I don't think Nareed was dismissing your offer. But I'll let her clarify if that is the case...
Quote: HotBlondeBut who knows, I await what Nareed has to say.
What is there to say? I distrust any offers of free stuff even from people I know. When coming from strangers I always suspect a scam of some sort, it's safer that way.
About who is a stranger, a handful of posts don't make anyone known. All the more so since I cannot recall having read any posts from this person other than those in this thread. Still, I did not mean to imply he was trying to scam or defraud anyone and I'll gladly apologize for having done so.
so if I had made the offer you would have felt the same. I'm curious why you're so skeptical? Most humans are trustworthy until someone proves them otherwise.Quote: NareedWhat is there to say? I distrust any offers of free stuff even from people I know. When coming from strangers I always suspect a scam of some sort, it's safer that way.
About who is a stranger, a handful of posts don't make anyone known. All the more so since I cannot recall having read any posts from this person other than those in this thread. Still, I did not mean to imply he was trying to scam or defraud anyone and I'll gladly apologize for having done so.
Now, on to more important things...paying or not, is UW joining us next month? :-)
Quote: HotBlondeso if I had made the offer you would have felt the same.
You're not a random stranger. I don't think people I know might be trying a scam. But I do wonder what they'll expect in return for a motiveless gift (unless it's my boss/brother-in-law, then I wonder what bad news he has or what junk he's trying to get rid of). Specifically if you'd offered to pay for everyone's lunch, I'd have taken you up on it on condition you let me treat you to lunch later.
Quote:I'm curious why you're so skeptical? Most humans are trustworthy until someone proves them otherwise.
Well, there's this rash of telephone scams involving alleged wins in unknown drawings or sweepstakes. If you're lucky you get robbed of a few hundred dollars. If not you wind up kidnapped (and likely murdered as well). Not that I expected anything like that here. Then there are email scams, bait and switch scams from disreputable business mixed with high pressure sales tactics, and as noted above strings attached.
Quote: rdw4potusI think a lot of "free stuff" offers are not to be trusted. But this one is different, isn't it?
Not to me. Look, I don't know who this guy is, he has not posted about attending before, I've no idea why he's offering to pay, and $5,000 is a ridiculous amount to bring up in connection with lunch (look at the original post: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/13238-wovcon-i-date-place-and-time/17/#post235919 ) As the current saw has it: what could possibly go wrong?
Quote: HotBlondeAnother restaurant that I liked was The Pub, also at Monte Carlo. That might be a good place for us all to meet.
Here's the link:The Pub at Monte Carlo
I checked the link again today, and I noticed it says it's open from Sunday through Thursdays. I take that to mean it's not open on Fridays and Saturdays. That seems really odd, but I can't see how it means anything else.
Quote: rainmanI see Nareed's point. I am always leery of something for nothing. In this case though it would be a good bet, Your either gonna get your tab paid, or your going to pick it up yourself. Where is the downside?
I don't mean for this post to be knocking uwfargo at all, just trying to explain a perspective. Consider this: a member who has participated only a little bit in the forum discussions, and who has not previously indicated that he will be attending the WoVCon, suddenly makes a very generous offer to a group of people he has never met, an offer so generous that it sounds almost too good to be true. I mean, who else on this forum has ever offered to give any of us up to $5,000 worth of anything, except maybe "expert" advice? I don't think a little skepticism is necessarily an unreasonable reaction.
As for the downside consider this, too: Nareed has been working to find a venue for the WoVCon lunch that meets the interests/needs of as many of the participants as possible. It looked/looks as if there had been some tentative agreement on going to Margaritaville. Then the generous offer comes in with the constraint that we must meet at a place in a different casino chain. Suppose the kind offerer is not genuine and is someone who just likes the idea of jerking Nareed around -- it might not be the first time that has happened. If that were the case, accepting the offer without scrutiny could just screw up the planning efforts that have taken place already.
I really appreciate uwfargo's offer, and I'm impressed with the generosity, but I'm completely willing to pay for my own lunch, and I would be very upset if we were to experience the frustration that would result if the group completely changed the WoVCon plans and the generous benefactor never showed up. We would all feel a bit like saps. I think I like HB's suggestion that we meet as planned for WoVCon then see whether uwfargo cares to treat some of the group to something that evening or some other time. Heck, after meeting us in person, he might feel that he has far better uses for those points than wasting them on a bunch of jerks he met on the internet.
Quote: DocI don't mean for this post to be knocking uwfargo at all, just trying to explain a perspective. Consider this: a member who has participated only a little bit in the forum discussions, and who has not previously indicated that he will be attending the WoVCon, suddenly makes a very generous offer to a group of people he has never met, an offer so generous that it sounds almost too good to be true. I mean, who else on this forum has ever offered to give any of us up to $5,000 worth of anything, except maybe "expert" advice? I don't think a little skepticism is necessarily an unreasonable reaction.
As for the downside consider this, too: Nareed has been working to find a venue for the WoVCon lunch that meets the interests/needs of as many of the participants as possible. It looked/looks as if there had been some tentative agreement on going to Margaritaville. Then the generous offer comes in with the constraint that we must meet at a place in a different casino chain. Suppose the kind offerer is not genuine and is someone who just likes the idea of jerking Nareed around -- it might not be the first time that has happened. If that were the case, accepting the offer without scrutiny could just screw up the planning efforts that have taken place already.
I really appreciate uwfargo's offer, and I'm impressed with the generosity, but I'm completely willing to pay for my own lunch, and I would be very upset if we were to experience the frustration that would result if the group completely changed the WoVCon plans and the generous benefactor never showed up. We would all feel a bit like saps. I think I like HB's suggestion that we meet as planned for WoVCon then see whether uwfargo cares to treat some of the group to something that evening or some other time. Heck, after meeting us in person, he might feel that he has far better uses for those points than wasting them on a bunch of jerks he met on the internet.
Good points I guess. He is not well-known around here, that's for sure. I just think the offer deserves some consideration, that's all.
Quote: NareedQuote: HotBlondeAnother restaurant that I liked was The Pub, also at Monte Carlo. That might be a good place for us all to meet.
Here's the link:The Pub at Monte Carlo
I checked the link again today, and I noticed it says it's open from Sunday through Thursdays. I take that to mean it's not open on Fridays and Saturdays. That seems really odd, but I can't see how it means anything else.
Wow, that's really terribly presented on the website. I'm thinking that they're open continuously from Friday's open to Sunday's close, and have no posted hours for those days because they do not close.
And this is for only ONE day!
The total price above doesn't even include insurance on the car.
Hopefully I'll have a girlfriend or two to come out with and I can avoid having to get myself out there by myself. I thought renting a car would be cheaper than flying, but I guess not!
Quote: Sabretom2M I suggest MSS as your eating/gaming answer. Triple 7, good food, good brew, room for a group. Good VP, cool bar, best craps around. Meets all your requirements.
It may just come to that...
Seriously, there were two votes for holding the WoVCon lunch on the Strip.
Quote: HotBlondeI just looked up the cost of renting a car for 24 hours to get me out to Vegas that weekend (picking up an economy car in Burbank,CA on Friday, dropping it off in Las Vegas, NV at the same time on Saturday) and I can't believe how expensive it is!
The "redeye" MegaBus on Friday morning (12:15am) leaves from L.A.'s Union Station, and it might cost $12. It's usually quiet and not too crowded, and it gets you to the South Strip Transfer terminal at around 5:45am.
From there, you can take the Deuce that early for $6, if you are staying on the strip or Downtown. If you are staying Downtown, you could also take the 109 (probably a little faster) for $2. It will drop you off at Bonneville Transit center, from which you can walk five blocks to Freemont Street (or transfer to one of several northbound buses).
It was suggested by AcesandEights that we take a poll amongst those who were planning on meeting up that day but it sounded like you didn't want to survey those going.Quote: NareedIt may just come to that...
Seriously, there were two votes for holding the WoVCon lunch on the Strip.
Quote: HotBlondeIt was suggested by AcesandEights that we take a poll amongst those who were planning on meeting up that day but it sounded like you didn't want to survey those going.
Not quite. Aces suggested a series of polls off-site, with some form of private notification for those attending. I replied I don't have the time to do all that.
I hear ya. But the point is in the end since you chose to be the person in charge of the event. We could all just go along with what you plan. But since many of us have an opinion you could just survey those who are planning on going and see where we collectively want to go and make a decision from that. I'm thinking that since this is a site-wide event and not a Nareed event we should take everyone on the site who plans on meeting up that weekend into consideration, that's all I'm saying. I understand if you're too busy to plan this any more, I'm sure there is someone on the board who plans on being there that weekend who would happily take over facilitation of that weekend's get-togethers. You've made a couple comments so far sounding like it was a hassle for you to check on things like calling these restaurants or creating a survey to see where people actually want to go. I have planned to come out that weekend and it seems like there's not enough effort going into the planning of this and you've already seemed to insult one of the people willing to sponsor the event.Quote: NareedNot quite. Aces suggested a series of polls off-site, with some form of private notification for those attending. I replied I don't have the time to do all that.
Quote: HotBlondeBut since many of us have an opinion you could just survey those who are planning on going and see where we collectively want to go and make a decision from that.
I've done that. we took a vote on where to hold it, actually two votes, and the Strip came on top. I then chose a place. This aroused some dissatisfactiona nd now I'm trying to find another one. I tried asking and got as many suggestions as there were people making them.
Quote:You've made a couple comments so far sounding like it was a hassle for you to check on things like calling these restaurants or creating a survey to see where people actually want to go.
All I commented was on the surveys.
Quote:I have planned to come out that weekend and it seems like there's not enough effort going into the planning of this
There isn't much to plan. It's just a lunch followed by a gambling session. That's the extent of it. I should settle on a place and make reservations later this week.
I think the get-together that's coming up is something that a handful of people are looking forward to. Someone on this site (who shall remain nameless) had made a private comment to me that he/she was under the impression that this "annual" WoV Con event was a bigger event than what it really is and has been. I think having it labeled as a "Convention", and an annual one at that, gives the impression that it is something official. I love the idea of having a set time where people from the site have the option to get together and meet one another, and also make it worthwhile for people to travel all the way there on a set date and time. If it truly is just a casual lunch and gambling session afterwards that is great as well, but maybe should be more accurately titled "WoV Annual Luncheon". It was my impression as well as at least one other person that I know of specifically that this was being planned as a weekend event where people of the site could get together and participate in a handful of events. I, myself, am planning on coming out that weekend and have been solicitiing girlfriends of mine to take the trip out with me that weekend, even though since it's going to be a holiday weekend it will be more expensive of a trip to stay. People who know me well know me as a very fun girl and I like to make the best of every situation. Life is fun! I think to me, and maybe it's really just my impression, that you've been promoting this event by bumping it and trying to get people to come meet up but then you've made comments as to how you have a very heavy work schedule and don't have time to make phone calls to see if this place accepts players' cards points or to find out if this other place will be too loud of a place to meet up when it is something that will just take a couple 2-3 minute phone calls. And I don't know and won't know if the offer uwfargo made was sincere, and it's not my responsibility to guess his intentions, but, again, to ME it came off as a bit insulting when there was a possibly kind offer for someone who wanted to come to the event and treat and then there was the negative comment about your wariness of his offer. Again, I had thought that the reason for your bumping this thread was to bring attention to our get-together to people who may want to come, and then you kind of put down one of the people who showed interest in coming. So it just left me confused.
Anyway, I still want to come, and have told my friends about the weekend. I am coming because I was planning on coming at the end of May anyway and when my dad and his girlfriend cancelled their trip I still wanted to come out to Vegas since I like to get out there at least once a year if possbile. I do look forward to meeting people from the forum that weekend and I am down to hang out more than just that Saturday lunch. In fact, a friend of mine who is a drummer will be there that Memorial Day Monday and will be performing with his band on Fremont Street and if anyone is interested in joining me and my friends for that experience, the more the merrier!
:)
Quote: HotBlondeI want to apologize. I reread a couple of my posts and I realize I'm coming off as argumentative. I feel bad. I think if I can express myself on the subject more clearly and positively, I'd like to.
Don't worry about it. It's beacuse of these momentary lapses and the nature of text communications that the Internet has become the place we all know and cherish so much ;)
Quote:If it truly is just a casual lunch and gambling session afterwards that is great as well, but maybe should be more accurately titled "WoV Annual Luncheon".
It truly is.
As to the name, that was first put forth for WoVCon I in 2011 by Croupier, who hosted it. I took it up for 2012 and now 2013. If you want the full history, PM me.
Quote:It was my impression as well as at least one other person that I know of specifically that this was being planned as a weekend event where people of the site could get together and participate in a handful of events.
That would indeed be very nice. I thought along those lines last year, but nothing came off it.
Last year we managed to schedule two additional meet-ups. This year it looks like it will only be one other. I am open to further suggestions for the rest of the weekend and even beyond. And you all can make arrangements independent of me if that's what you prefer. The Wizard has asked for victims for a hike, for example (which tells you what I think of that, too <w>)
Quote:And I don't know and won't know if the offer uwfargo made was sincere, and it's not my responsibility to guess his intentions, but, again, to ME it came off as a bit insulting when there was a possibly kind offer for someone who wanted to come to the event and treat and then there was the negative comment about your wariness of his offer.
Actually I decided to simply ignore the offer. When someone else referred to it I made an unthinking joke about it, which dind't play at all well.
Quote:Again, I had thought that the reason for your bumping this thread was to bring attention to our get-together to people who may want to come, and then you kind of put down one of the people who showed interest in coming. So it just left me confused.
The intention is that people will see it and those who are itnerested will come. I did not intend to put down anyone, as I've rpeviously explained. Uwfargo is welcome to come if he cares to, as is anyone else reading this board, members or not.
Also, I've spent more time in Margaritaville Las Vegas than I care to admit, comes from being a committed Parrothead, or should I say that I should be committed because I'm a Parrothead? Any how, it will be loud on the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend, that place is always busy! If we can swing it, depending on how many people we have, a real nice option would be to sit outside on the third level, less noise, better atmoshphere (in my opinion). I don't know about the heat at that time of year, but their table have umbrellas and if I remember they have mist machines up there as well if it gets too hot. Just something to consider.
Quote: HotBlondeI hear ya. But the point is in the end since you chose to be the person in charge of the event. We could all just go along with what you plan. But since many of us have an opinion you could just survey those who are planning on going and see where we collectively want to go and make a decision from that. I'm thinking that since this is a site-wide event and not a Nareed event we should take everyone on the site who plans on meeting up that weekend into consideration, that's all I'm saying. I understand if you're too busy to plan this any more, I'm sure there is someone on the board who plans on being there that weekend who would happily take over facilitation of that weekend's get-togethers. You've made a couple comments so far sounding like it was a hassle for you to check on things like calling these restaurants or creating a survey to see where people actually want to go. I have planned to come out that weekend and it seems like there's not enough effort going into the planning of this and you've already seemed to insult one of the people willing to sponsor the event.
Damn girl.
