Why is there so much hostility on this web site?

When I discovered the Wiz's websites some years ago I was immediately hooked. Usefull information and a forum for gamblers experiences and advice in the real world. However the constant bickering and browbeating has become tiresome. MRJJJ decided to let us in on his roulette system. It's not my cup of tea but more power to him. I might quote statistics to show him he has been lucky but others already have. But is it necessary to denigrate him.
I'm not looking to start a fight but some of my co-members need to get a life! Aren't we all here for the same purpose, to beat the house. Some members have decided it's easier to beat co-members behind their keyboards. How sad.

.....and thank you. I have been dealing with this for years, I'm use to it. Should I perhaps not respond to the BS? Maybe so. Boards (of any subject) have always had posters stirring the pot, my guess is that its out of boredom. Whatever happened to?.....if you dont like a particular method of play, dont use it. I am NEW here but this board seems very cool, lots to learn. I won't apologize for 'doing well'. People keep waiting for it but I won't say the words. I post my views and how I play roulette (not all of it;) If some have an issue with me NOW, I've only started posting, hang on tight. Ken

mrjjj -

Welcome to the WoV board. As you have seen, most people here are quick to jump on anyone who suggests that they've found a method to beat a game that has a house edge. Most posters on this site are well aware that a -EV game cannot be beaten by any wagering method. Keep in mind that the game you are talking about is 00 roulette which has one of the higher house edges... you could at least find yourself a single 0 game and cut that edge in half right out of the gate... but that's neither her nor there.

Here's the pont... if you believe that you have found a way to beat the game, good for you. If you believe that your strategy has made you money, it doesn't matter whether or not it actually has or whether or not anyone here will believe you. You must understand that it has been mathematically shown again and again that this is not possible. For you to go against the grain by stating that you've discovered what many others (some who were rather bright individuals, such as Einstein himself) have not is simply going to place the burden of proof on your own shoulders. The fact is though that you don't need to show any proof. If it works then go make lots of money and laugh at the world for not having the smarts to do what you're doing... but without a smidgen of proof to hold the naysayers at bay, please don't sit there and tell us that you're right and we're wrong. Why not? Because no one here will believe you. If you can understand that simple truth then perhaps you can see why it is pointless to continue to tell anyone here that you've found a method to beat roulette.

UNLESS... unless the whole point of you posting here is to stir the pot (which most people here will believe much more readily) in which case you're simply trolling and in my opinion, most here would say that you're not welcome with that attitude.

So, you've made your point. You've beaten roulette. Congratulations. Now, enjoy the great information that this site has to offer, enjoy all the money you're making at roulette and please stop wasting everyone's time by being a nusiance.

Well, lets pick that apart, shall we? I said nothing regarding BEATING roulette or a HG or "I have an edge". I posted a method that so far, does well. Play it, dont play it, I dont care but WHY insult the guy posting it? I have made (net) QUITE A BIT over the last 3-4 years playing roulette, 00 wheel I might add.

The number of hours combined, playing and testing has to be in the thousands. Trial and error I always say. Guys like you kill me, because *YOU* are not doing well playing (I assume?), then that means, no one else can. Hmmm, kind of strange and convenient. Rookies like you dont scare me on boards so take your act and your false pleasantries elsewhere. This isn't my first rodeo. Ken

The hosility emanates from the fact that everybody here knows that it is mathematically, practically, and rationally IMPOSSIBLE to beat a negative expectation game. This has been known (and, I might add, tested in the casinos of the world) for hundreds of years.

Yet, people keep coming along and touting "systems". Tirelessly, and tiresomely. Day after day. And each and every one of them thinks that they--unlike the last several thousand who have also tried--have come up with some way around the simple fact of negative expectation. They are saying, in effect, that they have managed to find a way to add up negative numbers and end up with a positive result.

The people who tout such systems are either fools or frauds. Since there's usually no sales pitch delivered along with most posts advocating a "new" "system", such persons can safely be relegated to the category of "fool". However, in many cases it is apparent that said fool is seeking validation of his system, having rather profound misgivings about it and hoping that the knowledgable people here will confirm that he has indeed found a way to spin straw into gold.

You have to understand that the purpose of this site is to provide people with gambling INFORMATION and to give them a forum for the exchange of legitimate ideas. Everyone here is sick to death of reading pamphlets and books and website postings about the latest EZ-Can't-Lose--100% Foolproof BEAT THE CASINO system (just send $9.95 plus $40 shipping and handling).

In short, the hostilty expressed is the same hostlity one might except to see someone express if a bag of garbage had been dumped on his front porch.

I sell nothing so thats out. In terms of 'validation', (lol) if no one posted a thing afterwards, thats cool with me. I need ZERO posts giving praise. I pay my bills on time man and proud of it. Also, its a method not a system, there is a difference. If you dont like this method, dont play it, seems simple and fair. Another sidenote, I think we all agree we are not going to play 10 million real spins in our lifetime, correct? So the discussion is or should be, the difference (if any) between short term results and long term expectations, the definitions. I'm on 3.5 years being in the positive. How is that possible? Either I'm STILL very lucky OR little luck involved OR I'm lying. Those are the only three choices I can think of. I said it before, do NOT get pissed at others if they are 'doing well'. I won't apologize, stop waiting for it. Ken

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I'm not looking to start a fight but some of my co-members need to get a life!

It is not well known, but the phrase "get a life!" owes to the early days of video games: when a player got enough points they would earn another life and could continue playing. So to "get a life" means to play a game compulsively so as to gain skill at a meaningless task, thereby earning a special bonus.

Oh, I guess it means to learn how to card count at blackjack and then get comps on top of that.

More commonly, to "get a life!" means "I think your life is full of meaningless activities. You need to do more things that I consider meaningful."

With that said, I am going to water more dirt. You may not believe I do that, but I do. This is a true thing I do. Kansas is not an easy place to live. I suppose I should get a life.

--Dorothy

Quote: mrjjj

I need ZERO posts giving praise.

That's a great thing! You are a really good person for not needing praise! The world needs more people like you -- praiseworthy but humble.

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

That's a great thing! You are a really good person for not needing praise! The world needs more people like you -- praiseworthy but humble.

--Dorothy

I think he expressed that sentiment more as an acknowledgment of realistic expectations rather than humility, but still, we must praise the realistic person (or at least, realistic apart from his gaming "strategies").

And Dorothy, what are you hoping to grow in that dirt? Winter is a comin', gal.

Quote: DorothyGale

It is not well known, but the phrase "get a life!" owes to the early days of video games: when a player got enough points they would earn another life and could continue playing. So to "get a life" means to play a game compulsively so as to gain skill at a meaningless task, thereby earning a special bonus.

Oh, I guess it means to learn how to card count at blackjack and then get comps on top of that.

More commonly, to "get a life!" means "I think your life is full of meaningless activities. You need to do more things that I consider meaningful."

With that said, I am going to water more dirt. You may not believe I do that, but I do. This is a true thing I do. Kansas is not an easy place to live. I suppose I should get a life.

--Dorothy

No, "get a life" means "kill me because I'm annoying, and suck my life force into yours so that you live longer than you otherwise might have". It is a request that too often remains unfulfilled.