What is a Golden Royal?

Two of my biggest pet peeves about online gambling is that nobody in the industry seems to know anything about gambling rules and norms. The second is truly awful customer support. The vast majority of the time you will get no useful answer, if you get an answer at all. Usually you will get a link to their game rules, which may very well not answer the question or answer is incorrectly. Sometimes I've been given links to my own site.

I would like to do an analysis of the game Poker Dice found at the Pobeda casino. The link will take you to a demo game. I've analyzed the Poker Dice game by Gaming Technology years ago. However, the one using 1x2 Gaming software adds a couple hands -- a Golden Royal and a Golden Straight.

Game rules don't say what any of the hands are, even the common ones like a full house. So, I wrote to the casino as follows:

Quote: Wiz

Subject: Poker Dice

Hello,

In the attached screenshot you will see that a "golden royal" pays 50x and a "golden straight" pays 35x.

My question is what are those wins?

Thank you,

Michael Shackleford

Here is the image I attached.



Here is their reply:

Quote: Pobeda

What kind of game it ? You have to play Online Casino Pobeda ? Like us on your site to stay ?

Who wrote that, Borat?

So, I try another another Email address to the casino, keeping things simple and putting the game name in the body of the message.

Quote: Wiz

Hello,

In the game Poker Dice, how does one achieve a Golden Royal or Golden Straight.

Thank you,

Michael Shackleford

Here is the answer.

Quote: Pobeda

Hello!
Throw off you a link to the official story about this game, there are rules of the game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_dice

I wrote back saying the link doesn't say what a Golden Royal or Golden Straight are. It is at this point they go dead silent on me, as usual when I pin them into a question they can't answer by just throwing a link at me.

Can anybody else feel my pain?

Does anybody know what a Golden Royal or Golden Straight are?

Thank you for listening to my gripe.

Quote: Wizard

Does anybody know what a Golden Royal or Golden Straight are?

Thank you for listening to my gripe.

Hehe... In this context, a "Golden" Royal is a Royal Flush. A "Golden" Straight is a Straight Flush.

It obvious you get wrong when info from casino not when ask you, you need link? :)

Yes I feel your pain

Quote: Ayecarumba

Hehe... In this context, a "Golden" Royal is a Royal Flush. A "Golden" Straight is a Straight Flush.

But the dice have no suits, except the ace is always in spades, and they already have pays for low and high straights.

Quote: Wizard

But the dice have no suits, except the ace is always in spades, and they already have pays for low and high straights.

When you play some dice will turn a gold color. I thought this following would have been a golden Royal, but was just a high straight.

Quote: miplet

When you play some dice will turn a gold color. I thought this following would have been a golden Royal, but was just a high straight.

Good work, Sherlock! You seem to be playing on a different device than me as my interface looks different. Nevertheless, I played 25 rolls, for a total of 125 dice seen. In that sample, I counted 24 gold dice. However, sometimes it was hard to tell, especially with the face cards.

I'll have to see if JB can view the code to see how it's programmed.

I think that a golden royal/straight has the same relationship to a normal royal/straight as a golden shower has to a normal shower.

Wiz-
This is pretty typical as I'm
Sure you know-
I pinned two casinos down on basic errors and ended up getting stonewalled

On one casino it wouldn't let me double on a-9. Because the computer recognized it as 20

And on another for years on caribsports their pai gow game was not programmed right when there was a joker - I basically was told
If I don't like the rules don't play because I am played my at my own risk

According to this:

Quote:

• Golden Royal (A high straight with the symbols in ascending order)
• Golden Straight (A low straight with the symbols in ascending order)

Quote: miplet

According to this:

Does the "Golden" win apply to dice ordered from Right-to-Left as well as Left-to-Right?

Quote: miplet

When you play some dice will turn a gold color. I thought this following would have been a golden Royal, but was just a high straight.

Your die in this image appear to be in sequential order. They are even received the gold color overlay. Why no 50X gold win?

After playing some free hands at the demo linked by the Wizard, it appears that the order of the dice is determined by where they land in three layers moving away from you.

In this example:



The two dice closest to the camera are read left to right. The next layer of two dice is read left to right, and finally the last die is the one furthest away. I noticed that dice in the potential "Royal" position (e.g., the "Q" in the photo above) are given a "gold" overlay in the "Result" box. I also note that "Golden" hands may only win if ordered Left-to-Right, as the sequential "Right-to-Left" hand I had below was not evaluated as a "Golden" winner... Or the software is cheating:



While the "gold" color almost always appears when a die is in the proper sequential winning position, I did not notice it on the "9" when it was in the first position, which is where it would need to be for a "Golden Straight" win, so it could be possible that the gold color does not always appear... or the software is cheating.

Quote: Ayecarumba

Quote: miplet

When you play some dice will turn a gold color. I thought this following would have been a golden Royal, but was just a high straight.

Your die in this image appear to be in sequential order. They are even received the gold color overlay. Why no 50X gold win?

Probably a programming error in the fake money version. After playing for a while I realized if the first die was a 9, it would be golden and any other dice in the correct spot for a golden straight would be good. If the first die was something else, all correct spots for golden Royal would be gold.

Quote: miplet

According to this:

Thank you! Very good searching. My reading of that is a golden royal is a sequential high straight. I guess there is an arbitrary method for determining order.

Quote: Ayecarumba

After playing some free hands at the demo linked by the Wizard, it appears that the order of the dice is determined by where they land in three layers moving away from you....

Also, very good work! Thank you!

Here is my analysis of the game.

Hand	Pays	Permutations	Probability	Return
Golden royal	50	1	0.000129	0.006430
Golden straight	35	1	0.000129	0.004501
Five of a kind	20	6	0.000772	0.015432
High straight	6	119	0.015303	0.091821
Low straight	4	119	0.015303	0.061214
Four of a kind	4	150	0.019290	0.077160
Full house	3	300	0.038580	0.115741
Three of a kind	2	1,200	0.154321	0.308642
Two pair	1	1,800	0.231481	0.231481
Pair of aces	0.5	600	0.077160	0.038580
All other	0	3,480	0.447531	0.000000
Total		7,776	1.000000	0.951003

Anybody disagree?

Quote: Wizard

Here is my analysis of the game.
......
Anybody disagree?

Low straight pays 5

Quote: miplet

Low straight pays 5

You're right.

Hand	Pays	Permutations	Probability	Return
Golden royal	50	1	0.000129	0.006430
Golden straight	35	1	0.000129	0.004501
Five of a kind	20	6	0.000772	0.015432
High straight	6	119	0.015303	0.091821
Low straight	5	119	0.015303	0.076517
Four of a kind	4	150	0.019290	0.077160
Full house	3	300	0.038580	0.115741
Three of a kind	2	1,200	0.154321	0.308642
Two pair	1	1,800	0.231481	0.231481
Pair of aces	0.5	600	0.077160	0.038580
All other	0	3,480	0.447531	0.000000
Total		7,776	1.000000	0.966307

Quote: odiousgambit

I think that a golden royal/straight has the same relationship to a normal royal/straight as a golden shower has to a normal shower.

LMAO