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The hoax that is the 1.41% house advantage on pass line bets
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| March 13th, 2010 at 8:15:55 PM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5714 | Apparently, your understanding of simple math concepts is as bad as your understanding of simple english. I was saying that placing a bet on "YOU understanding the math of CRAPS" is a bad bet, not that betting on craps is bad. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
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| March 13th, 2010 at 9:06:25 PM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 12 Posts: 2533 | No! Not a sucker bet! It's a HOAX!!! After all, if 244/251 only happens 3.5% of the time, then the HA is not 1.414% The HA of a six or eight is (5-6)/6 = 16.67% The HA of a five or nine is (4-6)/6 = 33.33% The HA of a four or ten is wait for it, 50%!!!! I don't care that I don't count the total number of combinations. I don't care either about the come out roll either. All I know is that I am right and everyone else is wrong. If I bet on all of the numbers, then I have 30 ways to win and 6 ways to lose with a (30-6)/6 = 400% Player Advantage! Sometimes I don't want so much of an advantage so I'll bet on fewer numbers depending on my betting system. Before I go to the casino, I'll mentally prepare for the session by thinking about how I'll bet and how much I'll win. And most of the time, I do win, because I've got it all figured out, without really understand how math, odds, or probabilities work. Those of you who bet the pass line with odds, it's a sucker bet. Those of you who think that the casino is an entertainment venue where the casino has an advantage over you are wrong. There is a way to win at craps. My way. Probabilities be damned. The thread was just about dead... it lives. -----
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| March 14th, 2010 at 7:02:25 PM permalink | |
| tuttigym Member since: Feb 12, 2010 Threads: 5 Posts: 176 |
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| March 14th, 2010 at 7:12:15 PM permalink | |
| tuttigym Member since: Feb 12, 2010 Threads: 5 Posts: 176 |
boymimbo: Very very good; you got it!! Now the next step is to put it all into practice for real. But first you really need to prepare and train and become creative with your betting practices so you are comfortable, loose, disciplined, and patient. Oh but wait, that might be too difficult; too much hard work; too much time. Best for you to go back to your entertaining way of playing and the same level of successes currently enjoyed. As you know the casinos are in trouble because they too have made some really bad choices and gambles, but you can help rescue them, and that is a good thing. tuttigym |
| March 14th, 2010 at 7:57:58 PM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 12 Posts: 2533 |
Yeah! I'm glad that I got it all figured out. But I bet my old way last weekend in Vegas and played about eight sessions (16 hours of craps) at the tables playing pass and come with odds at the Wynn, Paris, Bills (RapidCraps), and Mandalay Bay and ended up ahead. I felt comfortable, loose, disciplined and patient but I didn't prepare (well, I did put on deodorant). How could that happen? Guess I was lucky. I'm scratching my head to figure out how I won playing such lousy bets. I am trying to ignore the years of post-graduate studies in math and physics that I took but man, it's hard. Maybe I'll write a book about it. Now that I know that there's a way to win at Craps, I think I'll quit my day job and buy a place out in Vegas. Housing is cheap out there after all, and I have a bit of money saved. With thirty ways to win and six to lose, I figure with an investment of $10K with a 400% Player Advantage, I can earn a million over the weekend. -----
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| March 15th, 2010 at 8:38:47 AM permalink | |
| tuttigym Member since: Feb 12, 2010 Threads: 5 Posts: 176 |
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| March 15th, 2010 at 9:10:57 AM permalink | |
| darnits Member since: Feb 3, 2010 Threads: 5 Posts: 15 |
Holy Sarcasm, Batman! ;-) |
| March 15th, 2010 at 9:26:05 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 12 Posts: 2533 | I was out playing craps the other day, and I was looking at the layout. It's alot easier to self-service the Big 6 and Big 8 than to ask the dealer to place it for me, so that's what I do now. I think it pays less but I don't think it changes the odds. It's only a dollar difference. In fact, I don't play at tables where the big 6 and 8 aren't featured. And I can put as little or as much money as I want there, no need to divide by 6. That's too hard. My favorite bet of all are the field bets. It's decided on one roll, and with 7 out of 11 numbers a winner, I'm going to win. Plus, you get paid double on the 2 and 12. At some places you get paid triple on the 12 but the 12 comes out so many few times that I guess it doesn't matter. As well, I like to place the 4 and 10 instead of buying the bet when I have to pay the dealer $1 only when I win. I know that when I place the 4 and 10 for $25 I'll get $45. Now, I could buy the bet for $25 instead and get paid $49, but it's such a pain to have to throw down $1 chips for two green chips. What's $4 anyway for the same bet? I get confused when there's a yellow or black "Buy" thing on my bet. Sometimes when I am bored I like to play the horn bets, exclusively. With 4 ways to win on the 2,3,11 and 12, I only lose on 7 other numbers. That gives me like a 33% probability to win 15 times my bet! I can't go wrong there. When the table is really, really bad, I like to play the big red after the come out roll if I think the 7 ss going to hit. It pays really well at 4:1. Sometimes I'll combine the horn and the big red for something they call a World Bet. With the place bets on 4,5,9,10 and the Big 6 and 8 bets I can't lose. What is 36 divided by zero anyway? Infinite player advantage!!! -----
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| March 15th, 2010 at 1:07:07 PM permalink | |
| DeMango Member since: Feb 2, 2010 Threads: 11 Posts: 318 | This troll asked for "intellectually and mathematically accrurate feedback." His spelling not mine. It has been given and still he posts. And still you answer his nonsense. Who will put him out of his misery?? When will this crap end??? When will you stop feeding the troll??? |
| March 15th, 2010 at 2:05:55 PM permalink | |
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 545 Posts: 6200 |
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