Question for the AP crew (roulette)

Quote: rdw4potus

Also 0. And I'm still unsure why Ken thinks that there are roulette advantage players on this board.

This board doesn't mean YOUR board. As long as we're clear on that.

Ken

Quote: mrjjj

Quote: rdw4potus

Also 0. And I'm still unsure why Ken thinks that there are roulette advantage players on this board.

This board doesn't mean YOUR board. As long as we're clear on that.

For the record, I agree with rdw4potus, and am totally unclear about what mrjjj is objecting to, or what the clarification is.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

For the record, I'm totally unclear about what you're objecting to, or what your clarification is.

Its always so tricky here. Meaning, its not exclusively an AP board, if people dont like that, tough. Its a board for *ALL* views of gambling.

The signs are sometimes easy to spot. Attack the hell out of the guy who is NOT 'with us along party lines' and we'll make him leave on his own, he won't even need to be banned. (lol) Not this guy, I wear my heart on my sleeve. To be real honest, I laugh my sick a** off at some of the posts here from the pro's.

Ken

Quote: DJTeddyBear

For the record, I agree with rdw4potus, and am totally unclear about what mrjjj is objecting to, or what the clarification is.

I have no idea what he is talking about most of the time. I am not sure there is more than two people who claim to make money on roulette on this board, and only one who claims "Advantage Play" at Roulette of the form mrjjj calls AP.

But the rest of us are sheep and only give the same opinion as everyone else because we are sheep (and not because we might, just maybe, all agree on something).

Just my OPINION (lol).

Quote: thecesspit

Just my OPINION (lol).

you crack me up :)

Short answer: 21 hours.

Full rambling answer: I like to think of myself as a very low-rolling risk averse AP. I tracked my gambling winnings and losses meticulously since 2005. I'd taken up gambling in 2003, and only played games when I had an advantage, almost always because of A) promotion coupons, or B) I was a better poker player than most of the table.

In the latter case, my poker skills stayed mediocre as the poker boom fizzled, and as the weaker players left, I'm now one of the weaker players, and am down overall at poker over my lifetime. In the former case, I profited greatly from a local casino that offered two $10 match plays each day. They didn't have player tracking cards, and they didn't define "day", so I played a few hands of pai gow poker each morning before work and each evening on the way home, with different crews. The year that I did this regularly, with four $10 match plays each day for 20+ days a month, was the most profitable year of advantage play I've had.

They closed down (not a surprise, really), and I switched to a more inconvenient casino which had player tracking and handed out a $10 and a $15 match play each day, once the pit boss saw you playing for a few minutes. I played more hands of PGP here, waiting for the match plays, and frequently made the $1 side bets, knowing that they were negative expectation bets but figuring I was giving the casino some extra play and enticement to keep me around. Because of the inconvenient location, because I was getting bored with it, and because a lot of my money was going back to the casino in the side bets and extra hands, I gave up on it.

Since I started gambling, I knew roulette to be a game with a big house edge. I also really enjoy it, but realize it's my weakness and a money pit. My first real casino trip was to Reno, where I played and lost on the 00 wheel at Circus Circus, and came out well ahead at the single-zero wheel at Cal-Neva. I've been to Vegas several times since, and played the lowest limit tables I could find -- specifically, Sahara and El Cortez. My system was to bet as little as possible, so that I'd lose as little as possible. It worked. I'd win sometimes, lose more often, and had fun, but understood that overall, it's a losing proposition. Last time I was in Vegas, I sought out the Riviera single-zero table, was frustrated to see that it's a high-for-me $10 minimum, but still played for about an hour, losing only about $15.

I then discovered the roulette wheel at the local indian casino, where the more you play, the more freeplay you get from them the next month. The roulette wheel is pretty gunked up, so I figured if there's a chance that a gunky pocket is more or less likely to capture the ball than a non-gunky pocket, it made sense to bet the most recent numbers hit. Sadly for me, that strategy worked the first few times. I played more, still near the bottom of the table limits, but the numbers at the end of 2011 show that it's my biggest loss year to date, and it's almost all attributable to roulette (and not getting the advantage of the local match play). The indian casino's free play offset it a little, but not enough, because I lack discipline and often end up feeding it through the slots on the way out the door.

So, to answer your question, I spent about six hours in the early part of the 2000's learning about house edge and roulette, determined it was a losing bet, and then played anyway, because it's worth $8 an hour for the entertainment (30 spins/hour x $5 bet/spin x house edge). And in late 2010 and early 2011, I spent several hours at the table (say, 15 hours over two months) testing my "gunky pocket" theory. Today, knowing that it's not going to overcome the 5.26% house edge, I still play that way, because even though I'm certain I'm still going to lose in the long run, I've got to pick numbers somehow, and if it knocks only 0.5% off of that, it's still a little bit, and maybe my $8 per hour entertainment charge is now $7.25.

s2dbaker, thecesspit etc......the pro's here, correct? If you guys represent professionals, Vegas will survive. (LMAO)

Ken

@Travisl >> Thanks.....a very well thought out answer and polite. A few members here could learn a thing or two from you. Thank you for your time.

Ken

Quote: mrjjj

s2dbaker, thecesspit etc......the pro's here, correct? If you guys represent professionals, Vegas will survive. (LMAO)

Ken

Wrong answer. LOL. I never said I was a pro.

Quote: thecesspit

Wrong answer. LOL. I never said I was a pro.

You sure talk like one (now thats comedy), my mistake sir.

Ken