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January 18th, 2012 at 12:11:05 AM permalink
Wiki went dark last night at midnight, till
midnight tonight. Its a protest over the
internet SOPA bill. I'm in serious withdrawal,
I use Wiki at least a dozen times a day. Thank
god for vodka...
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January 18th, 2012 at 2:14:49 AM permalink
Either disable java script or use the mobile site http://en.m.wikipedia.org/
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January 18th, 2012 at 3:36:23 AM permalink
Most editors voted for total blackout... I expected it would just go offline, only the black page left.
Seems like the javascript loophole was left for own editors. Just add it to NoScript blocked sites.
Or you can add ?banner=none to the end of the url.
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:55:19 AM permalink
Google is doing a protest of its own. Today's Google "doodle":


It links to https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction
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January 18th, 2012 at 7:59:06 AM permalink
This will answer the question: how long does it take for mirror wiki sites to go up? :)

It's ahrd to take the useless gesture protest seriously. Like the atheist who boycotts a church.
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January 18th, 2012 at 8:10:09 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

This will answer the question: how long does it take for mirror wiki sites to go up? :)


You mean if SOPA passes or if it doesn't?

If it doesn't, none: wikipedia will be back online tomorrow, it's a one-day protest.
If it does, who knows. Since Encyclopedia Dramatica has been destroyed, presumably as a deal with Unfunny Network, it has been replaced by encyclopediadramatica.ch, but not all text content and less than 1/3 of image content have been recovered.


Quote: Nareed

It's ahrd to take the useless gesture protest seriously. Like the atheist who boycotts a church.


Actually, at this point there still is some chance that the bill might not pass.
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January 18th, 2012 at 8:29:45 AM permalink
I was disappointed they left the workarounds in. If you're going to make a statement, go whole hog!
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January 18th, 2012 at 8:44:21 AM permalink
Quote: P90

You mean if SOPA passes or if it doesn't?



You know, I've heard too little about that. I've been busy.

Overall the government should stop passing laws and star repealing a lot of them. But that's not ever going to happen.
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January 18th, 2012 at 9:03:16 AM permalink
SOPA isn't just another law. It's the ultimate "Guilty until proven innocent" stamp for online interactions.

Never before have major websites, from relative small-timers like Reddit and Scribd to mainstays such as Wikipedia and Google, staged such an act of protest. It's a first, because the legislation is a first in voiding all tenets of due process at any accusation of copyright infringement.
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January 18th, 2012 at 9:59:35 AM permalink
They should all offshore as fast as possible if passed. Seems like another way the US wants to put a bullet into innovation and IT.

My fear is other countries follow suit (Harper here in Canada LOVES to follow the US example on such things).
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January 18th, 2012 at 11:05:45 AM permalink
That's the problem with this act, if you go offshore, you become a foreign web resource complicit in copyright infringement. So being blocked in US becomes even easier.

To access such sites, people will be forced to use proxies, like they do in China (and not only there, a lot of more savvy users already do it preemptively). To a large extent, SOPA implements the legal framework for a cross-ISP equivalent of the Great Firewall of China, except instead of anti-communist content it allows for blocking any site accused of not cooperating with the "war on piracy" - all you need to qualify is to have a single link to any site that links to a third copyright-violating website, anywhere, including in user-contributed content.
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January 18th, 2012 at 11:26:33 AM permalink
I dont want SOPA to pass....but I can see the intention behind it....there has to be some way to protect your copyrights. I really understand it from a movie studios prospective. You spend millions to make a movie and the thing is pirated onto the internet within days. Basically if the major sites like youtube would have done a better job of regulating their site and not allowing pirated videos(and music) to be posted, there might not have ever been this battle about SOPA in the first place. But they didn't and now they are paying the price. Now they are crying about "the goverment taking over the internet", this is becasue companies like youtube were more then happy to make millions(maybe billion) off the blood, sweat and tears of others hard work.
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January 18th, 2012 at 12:44:31 PM permalink
How will college students write papers?!!!
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January 18th, 2012 at 12:47:38 PM permalink
Quote: waltomeal

How will college students write papers?!!!

How will Bob think?
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January 18th, 2012 at 12:53:16 PM permalink
Quote: waltomeal

How will college students write papers?!!!



The old-fashioned way: by buying them from the guy in the hallway.
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January 18th, 2012 at 12:53:50 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

this is becasue companies like youtube


If there was no Jewtube, there would be - and are - similar sites from Ukraine, China, Tokelau and wherever, which unlike jewtube (which deletes videos upon complaint) don't give half a rat's ass about US copyright.
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January 18th, 2012 at 1:10:46 PM permalink
"Jewtube"??!!!??
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January 18th, 2012 at 1:16:21 PM permalink
http://www.jewtube.com/
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January 18th, 2012 at 1:17:34 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

"Jewtube"??!!!??


I'm curious as well. Especially since I'm Jewish.
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January 18th, 2012 at 1:48:43 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

"Jewtube"??!!!??


It's how youtube has been called on the internets for a long while, with the implication that it's run by Media Jews who delete videos at the first hint of a complaint - which is a true one.
Was only a matter of time before someone capitalized on the alternate name, of course.
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January 18th, 2012 at 1:50:32 PM permalink
I don't get it. It is run by Google.
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January 18th, 2012 at 2:33:29 PM permalink
Strange. Most Jews get Jew jokes before anybody else.

Broadly speaking, youtube has been very complicit in removing and censoring content, much more so than most of the net would prefer. That this legislation threatens such a complicit website only shows how overreaching it is.
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January 18th, 2012 at 2:50:29 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Broadly speaking, youtube has been very complicit in removing and censoring content,



So has Facebook. One complaint about copyright infringement
and the thing is gone, whether true or not.
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January 18th, 2012 at 3:10:23 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Broadly speaking, youtube has been very complicit in removing and censoring content, much more so than most of the net would prefer. That this legislation threatens such a complicit website only shows how overreaching it is.


What would you prefer YouTube/Google do? Not remove copyrighted content when requested to? Or is your chief complaint that content can be copyrighted at all?
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January 18th, 2012 at 3:35:20 PM permalink
Quote: P90

It's how youtube has been called on the internets for a long while, with the implication that it's run by Media Jews who delete videos at the first hint of a complaint - which is a true one.
Was only a matter of time before someone capitalized on the alternate name, of course.



First time I have ever heard it called that. Seems kinda of inappropriately offensive (I much prefer appropriate offence).

I have no problems with sites taking down any content posted, be it copyrighted or not. It's their site to run however they wish, and if they think there's a risk of being sued for hosting someone elses work, then they should take it down.
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January 18th, 2012 at 3:36:18 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Strange. Most Jews get Jew jokes before anybody else.

For the record, the original "joke" as well as this comment, is rather insulting.
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January 18th, 2012 at 3:42:38 PM permalink
So whats the solution, just throw up your hands and say oh well? Anything can be pirated so you no longer own your intellectual property anymore becasue of the internet?
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:01:24 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Strange. Most Jews get Jew jokes before anybody else.

Broadly speaking, youtube has been very complicit in removing and censoring content, much more so than most of the net would prefer. That this legislation threatens such a complicit website only shows how overreaching it is.



lol, yes indeed, but this more implies that just removing something that one deems inappropriate or conflicting with copyright is to "jewtube" something, etc. That isn't really a jew joke. Now....if Google was majority controlled by jews, than it would be a kosher joke. :) Not so much here. Since there is nothing more than just saying that taking something down is "jewish" it is kind of offensive. But that's just my opinion.
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:03:38 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

For the record, the original "joke" as well as this comment, is rather insulting.



I disagree. Most jews get jew jokes. With an exception, good jew jokes that make sense and have some base of logic. We are generally pretty easy going.

Jokes that don't really follow any logical path, that just randomly throw the word jew in there, are both offensive, and kinda dumb.
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:15:06 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

So whats the solution, just throw up your hands and say oh well? Anything can be pirated so you no longer own your intellectual property anymore becasue of the internet?



Not at all, but saying you are in contravention of IP laws because your site has a LINK to a site that breaks IP laws (maybe outside the country) is a problem. Especially if you force all sites with any potentially user generated content (like say Wizard of Vegas) to check all links for IP and piracy contravention before being posted.

As I understand it, at least, the rules could make The Wizard liable for a poster (say me) outside the US posting a link to a site outside the US (say Great Britain) that is hosting a streaming video of the pilot episode of the Office.

I could misunderstand the rules, of course.
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:17:17 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

For the record, the original "joke" as well as this comment, is rather insulting.



what is that I hear in the background? Hmmm listen hard.....is that the PC police?.....oh that's them I can hear their siren now... WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:46:04 PM permalink
You do realize that directly offending someone based on their religion or ethnicity is nothing to do with "PC Police" and just not being a nobhead in (semi) polite society?
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January 18th, 2012 at 4:47:02 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

what is that I hear in the background? Hmmm listen hard.....is that the PC police?.....oh that's them I can hear their siren now... WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



It's called an observation. A joke is either good, or it isn't. What are you like 5 years old?
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:02:29 PM permalink
I don't get the joke, what part of it is funny. In
1900 it would have been hilarious, today it just
seems dumb.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:06:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I don't get the joke, what part of it is funny. In
1900 it would have been hilarious, today it just
seems dumb.



oh I get now...you are allowed to call people stupid for believing in religion(or a fairy tail as you call it)....and that's not insulting but this is....ok, check, I now understand you are now in charge of whats insulting or not....cool thanks for the head up bro! I will check with you the new head of the insulting police before making any comments....
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:06:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I don't get the joke, what part of it is funny. In
1900 it would have been hilarious, today it just
seems dumb.



Why would it have been funny in 1900. No internet, no copyright web infringement, lol. ;)
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:07:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I don't get the joke, what part of it is funny. In
1900 it would have been hilarious, today it just
seems dumb.


Actually, in 1900 a joke about video streaming would have been met with a response of "What's video?"
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:07:24 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

It's called an observation. A joke is either good, or it isn't. What are you like 5 years old?



no I'm 6....how old are you that you feel the need to play captain save a hoe? 7?
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:08:20 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

no I'm 6....how old are you that you feel the need to play captain save a hoe? 7?


What?
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:08:35 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

...and that's not insulting but this is....



I didn't say its insulting, just dumb. Please explain
why its funny, nobody here gets it except you.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:09:18 PM permalink
Quote: P90

It's how youtube has been called on the internets for a long while, with the implication that it's run by Media Jews who delete videos at the first hint of a complaint - which is a true one.
Was only a matter of time before someone capitalized on the alternate name, of course.

Um, you know most people would take offense to this, right?
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:11:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I didn't say its insulting, just dumb. Please explain
why its funny, nobody here gets it except you.



Exactly. What? The worst jokes, are the ones, that only one person knows the punchline.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:14:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I didn't say its insulting, just dumb. Please explain
why its funny, nobody here gets it except you.



did I say it was funny? did I make the original comment? nope....I only commented on your hypocrisy...
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:14:50 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Actually, in 1900 a joke about



I said 1900 because ethnic humor was paramount. I
have a book somewhere written in 1902 titled '500
Modern Jokes' and 80% them are about kikes, wops,
pollocks, N-word, and so on. Jokes about black people
stealing chickens and watermelons were apparently
hilarious, the book is full of them. These jokes were
state of the art a hundred years ago, knee slappingly
funny. Reading them now they're almost meaningless.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:15:18 PM permalink
For the record, I believe the "JewTube" thing started with Anonymous, 4chan, and /b/, which if you have any background in Internet/culture, means that it makes very little sense at all. They generally just insult any/all religions/races/etc., with a special focus on Jews. I don't really get it either, since as has been pointed out, YouTube is owned by Google.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:16:20 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

did I say it was funny?.



Its a joke, jokes are funny. Whats the punchline?
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:18:08 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

For the record, I believe the "JewTube" thing started with Anonymous, 4chan, and /b/, which if you have any background in Internet/culture, means that it makes very little sense at all. They generally just insult any/all religions/races/etc., with a special focus on Jews. I don't really get it either, since as has been pointed out, YouTube is owned by Google.



Now it all comes together. Yeah, anything from Anon or 4chan, especially 4 chan, is just plain devoid of any thinking whatsoever.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:19:16 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

What?



I was only commenting on the fact that evenbob doesn't need you to defend his comments by calling me 5 years old? FYI the "are you 5 comment" is a little played out on message boards. so in the future when you are looking for a way to ask if someone is immature and an ass.....a different comment might be in order...just lookin out for ya bro ;)
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:20:26 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

I was only commenting on the fact that evenbob doesn't need you to defend his comments by calling me 5 years old? FYI the "are you 5 comment" is a little played out on message boards. so in the future when you are looking for a way to ask if someone is immature and an ass.....a different comment might be in order...just lookin out for ya bro ;)



"just lookin out for ya bro" is overplayed. Who is the hypocrite now. ;)

I'm not defending anyone. Making a siren noise is probably overplayed too.
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January 18th, 2012 at 5:22:48 PM permalink
I have no idea....but if its not a joke, therefore not making fun of someone...how is it insulting?....you were the one saying its insulting so obviously you thought it was making fun of jews......so maybe I should ask you what the punchline is?
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