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Hole Carding Case
| December 10th, 2011 at 6:07:09 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6400 | On the last Bob Dancer radio show the guest spent the whole time there talking about what happened in the hold carding case at the Four Winds Casino in MI. It was a two man team that was charged. They were found guilty and fined by the tribal court, and the 35K that was confiscated was not returned. The same thing happened to a single player in IN. Same amount of money, none of it returned. I can't feel sorry for these idiots. You're doing something you know the casino considers illegal, and you have 35K in chips on the table? That alone will get 5 cameras trained on you and they'll be watching your every move. If you're really that dumb, you get what you deserve. Its the Dec 8th show. Bod Dancer One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| December 10th, 2011 at 7:08:33 PM permalink | |
| Ibeatyouraces Member since: Jan 12, 2010 Threads: 18 Posts: 909 | The 35k in chips were on their person and not on the table and it was in a tribal court. Had this happen in ANY commercial casino and not a tribal casino, this would have NEVER happened. Soaring Eagle cheated people by taking aces out of the bj games. "Shut up Meg."
Peter Griffin, Family Guy |
| December 10th, 2011 at 7:25:27 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6400 | I didn't hear the lawyer say the chips weren't on the table. How do you know that? One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| December 10th, 2011 at 7:36:59 PM permalink | |
| Ibeatyouraces Member since: Jan 12, 2010 Threads: 18 Posts: 909 | I doesnt matter how I know. This means that you have to check the laws of the community you're in before you do your "work." In any non-tribal casino, what they did was 100% legal and would never have been convicted. "Shut up Meg."
Peter Griffin, Family Guy |
| December 10th, 2011 at 8:08:08 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6400 | Yes, it does matter how you know. The article I've read about this and the lawyer on the show said nothing about an illegal search. So I suspect you have faulty info. And c'mon, you're peeking at the hole card and signaling your partner. Thats conspiracy. They should have been nailed. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| December 10th, 2011 at 9:29:40 PM permalink | |
| rdw4potus Member since: Mar 11, 2010 Threads: 57 Posts: 1975 |
Been nailed for what? Conspiracy to commit what? It's not against the law in Michigan. That's why it was a really stupid idea to try this on tribal land and not at a commercial casino where the Michigan state court system would have jurisdiction. It's also not an illegal search just because the chips are on someone's person. If what these guys did was really against the tribal laws and they did it on camera, there would be an abundance of probable cause to search the offenders and confiscate their ill-gotten gains. "So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett |
| December 10th, 2011 at 10:07:22 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6400 |
In this particular Indian casino, it was against the law. Ignorance of the law is no defense. I don't like hole carding, its what you did when you were a kid and tried to trick your little sister into showing you her cards. If you're that desperate to win, you get what you deserve. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| December 11th, 2011 at 1:39:06 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6400 |
Either way, its still a stupid thing to do. $35K is 350 $100 chips. Thats a huge number, the guy making the bets would have had to constantly exchange them for $500 and $1000 chips, and squirrel them. That in itself would have the pit calling upstairs to get the tape rolling on that table from 5 different cameras. I've been going to Four Winds since the day they opened and they sweat every dime, as do most Indian joints. With $35K in play, that player would have had 10 sets of eyes on him at all times, of course they caught them. Idiots. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| December 11th, 2011 at 5:32:05 PM permalink | |
| Paigowdan Member since: Apr 28, 2010 Threads: 54 Posts: 2112 |
They were, rightfully so. Agree fully. Gambling doesn't build character, it reveals..no character. But a lot of characters. |
| December 11th, 2011 at 9:48:06 PM permalink | |
| rdw4potus Member since: Mar 11, 2010 Threads: 57 Posts: 1975 |
A good dealer would tap off black and color up to $500 or $1000 chips during the payouts to avoid an unnecessary fill. I suppose a good dealer would also notice the blatant cheating (at least in this jurisdiction), but it's not as though the player would have to pro-actively color up all the time. "So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett |
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