RS
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July 1st, 2014 at 5:11:25 PM permalink
Looking for a list of OSN subscribers. Please PM any info, don't post publicly. Anything is helpful.

Thanks.


If this is against the rules (I didn't see it mentioned), I apologize.
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July 1st, 2014 at 9:08:46 PM permalink
FWIW, I'm not aware of any problem with you asking. People can respond or not as they like.
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July 1st, 2014 at 9:11:28 PM permalink
From an industry insider, you won't find too much information being volunteered by anybody who has some reliable info here I don't think.

I'm all for sharing the information I have but even if I had this type of info, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't share it here.

Good luck though
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July 1st, 2014 at 10:16:20 PM permalink
What is OSN?
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July 1st, 2014 at 10:47:13 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

What is OSN?



Oregon Surveillance Network
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July 2nd, 2014 at 2:40:19 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

What is OSN?

It almost seems he was looking for the open sex network. Hints: he asked for PM's, he was not sure if it was appropriate to ask about it here.

FYI I already own the domain name.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 8:51:40 AM permalink
If someone had the list of OSN sites, why wouldn't they publish it here assuming they are anonymous? To me it really doesn't seem like information that is that sensitive. I would think it would be smart of OSN to publish the list. It might keep counters away from those casinos and force them over to the competitors casinos. It would probably then drive more business to OSN.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 8:56:21 AM permalink
Quote: Tomspur

Oregon Surveillance Network



Thanks. I should have known that. I was having a senior moment last night.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 10:34:09 AM permalink
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July 3rd, 2014 at 2:48:58 PM permalink
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It's no secret that Cosmo is a notorious user.



Yeah, figured that one out. :(


Trying to figure out how these damn casinos are nailing players.
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July 3rd, 2014 at 8:18:24 PM permalink
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It's no secret that Cosmo is a notorious user.

Is The Revel and Palms as well? There seems to be some connection with all 3 of them places. when something went down at one, the two other places would plug the hole simultaneously.
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July 3rd, 2014 at 8:24:57 PM permalink
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July 3rd, 2014 at 9:10:50 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Yeah, figured that one out. :(


Trying to figure out how these damn casinos are nailing players.



I get an answer for you. Years ago a turncoat revealed how a casino caught the suspected-APs and shared the "confirmed-skilled-players" with casinos within the City. A recap presented here is what he wrote in his memories of Casino XYZ.



1 How the Casino XYZ operates with regards to suspected card counters:
2 At the XYZ, a C\T [count team] member works by himself.
3 and are subject to requests from Pit Bosses, Shift Managers, etc to "run down" players.
4 They carry a beeper (before cellphone was invented)
5 C\T is suppose to wander through the pits
6 looking for activity that warrents a "run down" or to spot known counters.
7 Some of the things they look for are bet spreads,
8 deviations from bs, and either present big win
9 or cumulative wins in recent trips. Sometimes,
10 a request to run down a player will be
11 just because the player bets large amounts.
12 Once C\T has made an assesment,
13 they will place a "note" on the computer for rated players.
14 Unrated players do not have anyway to save that info
15 except in the memory of the C\T member. Also,
16 C\T keeps a log book of their daily activity
17 and all run downs are recorded there as well.
18 Photographs are kept of all confirmed counters
19 and sometimes, suspected ones.
20 I know they have at least 6 or 7 photo albums
21 we called "family albums"
22 In those books were photos and any information
23 we have of the confirmed counter, including
24 birthdate, ht, wt, date of birth, city
25 where player lives and known associates.
26 Mind you, some of the info such as dob and city,
27 come from the players themselves
28 when they signup for the CompCard--the Claridge rating card.
29 So what will alert a C\T member to you?
30 It can be something as simple as catching a glance at you,
31 near the end of a shoe, betting $100 and standing 12-2.
32 One of the biggest factors of whether you will be "looked at",
33 is how busy the C\T member is.
34 If you are a lower limit counter, this time of year [winter]
35 is the most dangerous part for you.
36 The casino is slow and C\T needs something to do----
37 the job gets EXTRMELY boring this time of year!
38 But, they will get called normally
39 if, you are unknown to the Pit Boss
40 and you buyin $1000+, bet $100+, or you start winning $1000+.
41 If you are a "known" player, they will check the computer
42 to see if you had been "looked at" recently.
43 Now, by procedure, ALL Floorpeople should check the computer
44 when they open your CompCard.
45 In practice, not all do it.
46 But the better ones usually will check the CMD\7 or message screen.
47 There is where C\T puts the message if you had been checked out.
48 If you are listed as a confirmed counter or a "Possible Skilled Player",
49 the computer will flash a message on every screen.
50 In the "High Limit Pit" known as Pit 7 [mezzanine pit]
51 (the Pit up the stairs in the middle of the main floor above the Asian Pit)
52 things are a little different.
53 First, $1000 buyins or $100 bets won't attract attention.
54 However, there was 1 female PB on day shift whould would call C\T
55 if a refusal bought in no matter what amount.
56 On the 4 deck $100 minimun game,
57 a mere 5 unit spread might get you looked at.
58 But on the $25 game, it usually would take a little more.
59 All of this is superceeded by winning!
60 If you start winning $1500, $2000 or more,
61 expect C\T to be called.
62 If you had been looked at and cleared
63 but start winning several thousand dollars,
64 C\T will be expected to re-evaluate.
65 Marker or Credit players fall into a different catagory.
66 By procedure, C\T can NOT confirm a credit player.
67 Only the Casino Manager can.
68 To confirm a credit player,
69 C\T needs to document shoe after shoe of player,
70 then the member submits it to the Shift Captain who,
71 if they concur,
72 will file a report to the CM along with the documentation.
73 If the CM agrees to confirm, you credit line will then be cut.
74 However, if the C\T member can convince the Shift
75 that the player counting and is "dangerous".
76 Countermeasures can be ordered by the Shift temporarily.
77 The countermeasures of breaking the shoe,
78 cutting in half limiting to one playing spot
79 or low maxing the table have a set of guildlines for use
80 but are not "set in stone".
81 If you are a red chip player,
82 breaking the shoe usually occurs at $100.
83 However, at times $75 has been used
84 but usually for players the thought were "trouble makers".
85 Green chip players can expect a shuffle at a bet over $125.
86 Black chip players they are more discrimminating with
87 if they are in Pit 7 or not and moreso if they are on the $100 game.
88 Surveillance people do NOT run down players
89 except in a very special circumstance.
90 C\T can go to surveillance to do run downs however.
91 Also, C\T can request that your play be filmed for later review
92 if the are too busy with someones else.
93 The shifts and times C\T work are:
94 Day Shift: 10Am-6Pm Sun-Thurs 12Pm-8Pm Fri-Sat
95 Swing Shift 6Pm-2Am Sun-Thurs 8Pm-4Am Fri-Sat
96 Grave Shift: None However,
97 the Shift Mgr and Asst Shift Mgr are both former C\T Administrators
98 and 3 Pit Bosses are former C\T members.
99 Also, 3 Floorpeople are trained C\T members.
100 Two are usually in the Asian Pit
101 and the other is off weekends but normally works in Pit 7 Mon-Fri.


Written by a turncoat who called himself "Ken".

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July 3rd, 2014 at 9:22:26 PM permalink
According to this world game protection article dated in early 2010, there are 174 casinos (5 outside of the US) subscribed. This number is now over 300, apparently.

It's free to subscribe and is maintained by a very small number of people, but gaining access to the database is very limited with manual verification being completed by the website administrators.

I'm betting Face would know about this.
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July 3rd, 2014 at 9:26:23 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

According to this world game protection article dated in early 2010, there are 174 casinos (5 outside of the US) subscribed. This number is now over 300, apparently.

It's free to subscribe and is maintained by a very small number of people, but gaining access to the database is very limited with manual verification being completed by the website administrators.

I'm betting Face would know about this.



So do I but it isn't something I'm willing to discuss here.
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July 4th, 2014 at 9:26:09 AM permalink
What's really to discuss? OSN has replaced Griffin as it's free and a surveillance department of any casino would be foolish not to use it as it contains an open source encyclopedia of suspected card-counters, people who have been 86ed, and a plethora of other shared and open information to assist in asset protection. I would assume that every casino in the land uses it and that each individual casino's security/surveillance SOP would contain references as to how to treat cheats and suspected chetas who are found within the database along with policies on contributing information to the database. That would only be logical.
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July 4th, 2014 at 11:01:02 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I'm betting Face would know about this.



I do, but like you said, what's to discuss?

It's just a notification and database program. Something happens to a casino, they explain what happened, who, how, when, and it goes out to all the subscribers.
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