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Beethoven9th
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September 5th, 2013 at 12:52:19 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

It's easier just to say, "nope it wasn't me" or to have whoever it really was to man up and admit what they did.


Um...didn't I already do that? And didn't you already reject it? Yep and yep. (You still haven't retracted your ridiculous claim)


Quote: Ahigh

There's absolutely no way I'm giving you a dime. Not for a single thing.


Well, if your accusations are correct, you won't have to. Heck, if you're right and I'm wrong, you'll be $10K richer! So what do you say, brah?
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September 5th, 2013 at 12:54:11 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Ahigh is the most closed minded person i have encountered in my 65 years.



You don't have to ready anything I say. Just continue on in your life without reference to me is my advice to you.
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September 5th, 2013 at 12:54:24 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

This thread is exhibit A.


No, it's Exhibit Ahigh. (hardy har har)
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September 5th, 2013 at 12:56:20 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Well, if your accusations are correct, you won't have to. Heck, if you're right and I'm wrong, you'll be $10K richer! So what do you say, brah?



What I said was, "I'm pretty much thinking it was Beethoven." Thinking it was you is different than saying "I know it was him and I can prove it."

Your creation of a contrived bet to seek profits from some anonymous person who created a post from an account created shortly after you and EvenBob discussed this very scenario of hiding behind an IP masking system puts you sort of in a really low class in my mind. The same low class as the person who actually posted the message.

Continue to exist in that class of person from my viewpoint, but please don't continue to think I'm paying you a dime, or that I want to have anything at all to do with you. I made it really clear that I don't appreciate either (A) the bet or (B) the original message that the bet was predicated upon.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:04:31 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Your creation of a contrived bet to seek profits from some anonymous person who created a post from an account created shortly after you and EvenBob discussed this very scenario of hiding behind an IP masking system...


Ahigh, this is what I don't understand. Why is/was all the focus on me? Yes, EB and I were talking about having some (admittedly) childish fun, but that's much different from going to your forum and posting a long rant criticizing your treatment of casino personnel...and then going back a month later and claiming that there's a photo of you kissing another man. That's not funny or creative or anything, and I couldn't care less how you treat casino workers.

Remember, you and I had never had any type of flame war prior to that, so you can imagine my surprise when you stated that it was I who was causing trouble. Made no sense at all (especially when I was the first person to call BS on HendoRobert!).


Quote: Ahigh

I made it really clear that I don't appreciate either (A) the bet or...


I made it really clear that I don't appreciate your initial accusation.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:12:31 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

I made it really clear that I don't appreciate your initial accusation.



It was not an accusation. I merely stated what I was thinking.

An accusation would have been if I had said, "I know that Beethoven did it."

I never said that.

I said that this was what I was thinking after looking at the trail of evidence.

The evidence pointed to you. Even you should realize that.

That is why I had that thought.

It was a thought.

It was not an accusation.

Your contrivance of a bet seeking to profit from the fact that I had no proof was simply more evidence. Not less.

Either way I don't even care who did it. I only care that nobody is admitting to it, and instead we have you here saying "give me $10,000 because you can't prove that I did it. I even have someone who will state where I was when it happened."

You also saw me in the casino and stated that you didn't want to be "associated" with me for some reason.

So follow through with that, alright? Just stop posting about me completely.

You are not a friend of mine.

I think AxelWolf posted that he did it. I don't really believe that he did it, though. I've actually met that guy, and if he did do it, I think I would be surprised. He doesn't generally strike me as the type of unproductive person who would do something like that.

But Axel, if you really did do it, I don't care. You're alright in my book and it was funny except that you should have owned up to it sooner.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:16:32 PM permalink
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:18:41 PM permalink
Boz is busted for past posting.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:23:16 PM permalink
You know the one question I have for the Wizard is why was nobody who insulted me in this thread reprimanded?

Yeah, I've been reading this thread all along. And I have been very annoyed with all of the disparaging things said about me without me being able to respond on this forum.

But the important question I have is why is this thread alright? I mean, I'm insulted for sure. I am basically insulted continuously on this forum without any ability to say anything in response, and that's alright. But if someone asks me "are you asking me out on a date" and I take offense to it and try to defend myself, hey, take a break for three months while you bash your head in here on the forum as one of the most popular threads ever.

I think the whole concept I am describing here is despicable and inexcusable. And it really pisses me off. A lot.

It really makes me hate this forum. I mean with a passion.

But I guess, it is what it is. Welcome to the "Wizard of Vegas."

People talk (on this forum) about my squelching users off my forum. But there's no thread bashing in the heads of any folks that got run off over there, and if there were, I would just remove the whole damn thread!
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:34:16 PM permalink
Tick tick tick tick.

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September 5th, 2013 at 1:34:23 PM permalink
Ahigh,

While I don't agree with everything you write about craps, I do enjoy reading your thoughts on craps, and I enjoy the challenge of trying to understand your points to decide if I agree with them or not. And as such, I would like to continue to see your craps input here.

However, it is guaranteed that if you engage in conversations with people on topics outside of craps, your nuke will be inevitable.
I happen to agree with you that this thread was unfair, and I believe a number of responsible forum members have it blocked. But, in all fairness, to try and hold Wiz accountable after some of the comments you wrote about Mike and his sites on your Forum, is hypocritical, and once again, will ultimately lead to your nuking.

It is not my intention to flame you, or engage in a conversation, since that is counter to the point I am trying to make. I will allow you to have the last word, but my wish is for you to stick with craps and not risk someone pushing your button(s).
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:36:15 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Tick tick tick tick.

ZCore13



Hey Zcore, I hope you don't get fired from your job, and I hope your wife doesn't leave you.

That would suck and you know I truly care about you. And your kids, and all that scouting and what not. That would be a real shame.

This is the tone of about every message I receive from you. How does it feel?

Genuine? I doubt it.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

It was not an accusation. I merely stated what I was thinking.

An accusation would have been if I had said, "I know that Beethoven did it."

C'mon, brah, no need to split hairs. If I said something like, "I think John Smith likes to smoke crack," then I think most people would consider that to be some sort of accusation that John Smith smokes crack.


Quote: Ahigh

"give me $10,000 because you can't prove that I did it. I even have someone who will state where I was when it happened."

Ahigh, you disappoint me. I NEVER said that. What I did say was that I want to bet you $10,000 that I am not the culprit. I don't know (or care) who the troublemaker really is, but I have exculpatory evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't me.


Quote: Ahigh

You also saw me in the casino and stated that you didn't want to be "associated" with me for some reason.

"Some" reason?

Uh...the reason should be obvious. You're a lightning rod at the casino, and I like to keep a low profile because I still count cards occasionally. I don't want to bring any unnecessary attention to myself whatsoever. Can you blame me for that??

Let me put it this way, Ahigh, if someone drove a truck to your house and dumped a truckload of craps dice in your front yard, that would be my style. Or if someone took (removable) paint and drew a bunch of hardways all over your windshield, that would also be my style.

But claiming you're gay and criticizing your treatment of dealers/floors? Why the hell would I give a crap about either of those??

Putting all that aside, why would I even go through the trouble of trying to prank someone whom I don't even know and never had any prior problems with??? You're fighting windmills, brah. *headshake*
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:38:12 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

C'mon



Check it out. I'm not even reading.

Stop TALKING about me.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:38:16 PM permalink
This thread is an absolute train wreck and I have frequently called out the haters. You have good potential insight and have written intelligent, incisive posts and second RC in hoping you continue to stay on topic and ignore the comments that are directed against you. Thick skin, ...

Ah, edited to remove "my friend" as there's another thread denouncing even that harmless term. Geez...
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:40:09 PM permalink
Quote: chickenman

This thread is an absolute train wreck and I have frequently called out the haters. You have good potential insight and have written intelligent, incisive posts and second RC in hoping you continue to stay on topic and ignore the comments that are directed against you. Thick skin, my friend...



I have been posting on my forum on these subjects. I don't care who's not interest and not participating.

I will continue to post on my forum about these subjects.

I'm fine with nobody following along.

But I'm not going to be happy about this thread as long as it continue to live.

Sorry.

I have a real SERIOUS problem with what has been happening in my absence.

Why hasn't the Wizard offered to meet me in person and talk to me about this and resolve it that way?

This place is a three ring circus!
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:41:35 PM permalink
OK. CM ducks and covers ... sayonara
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:42:38 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



Yeah, I've been reading this thread all along. And I have been very annoyed with all of the disparaging things said about me without me being able to respond on this forum.



I'm the one that started this thread and kept it
going. I'm so proud.. (blushing)

Glad to see you back, Aaron. You know why..
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:43:48 PM permalink
Quote: chickenman

OK. CM ducks and covers ... sayonara



Chickenman, feel free to create an account on goodshooter if you're interested in my work.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:45:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I'm the one that started this thread and kept it
going. I'm so proud.. (blushing)

Glad to see you back, Aaron. You know why..



I want this whole thread permanently removed. It has no purpose other than to make me look bad that I can see.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:46:04 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

You know the one question I have for the Wizard is why was nobody who insulted me in this thread reprimanded?



Speaking for myself only, I haven't paid attention to this thread until today, knowing you were coming off suspension. Feel free to PM me, or post in public, specific posts you feel are suspension worthy. Of course, that invitation cuts both ways, and others will be able to submit old suspension-worthy posts by you. You truly have just one strike left.

Personally, I'd prefer we let bygones be bygones, give immunity to old posts, and start over.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:46:20 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

...it was funny except that you should have owned up to it sooner.


So will I receive a retraction or an apology? Doubt it. *headshake*
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:47:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Speaking for myself only, I haven't paid attention to this thread until today, knowing you were coming off suspension. Feel free to PM me, or post in public, specific posts you feel are suspension worthy. Of course, that invitation cuts both ways, and others will be able to submit old suspension-worthy posts by you. You truly have just one strike left.

Personally, I'd prefer we let bygones be bygones, give immunity to old posts, and start over.



Hey, we met in person. You have my phone number. I live a few minutes away.

I figured you were making money from this monstrous thread and didn't want it to stop.

I can't imagine you being proud.

I would be ashamed of ALL the activity in this thread.

If you want me off your forum, don't wait .. just nuke me now!

If you want me ON your forum, you should talk to me in person and we should work it all out.

You barely acknowledge my existence, and I have busted my ass for you and your forum only to get banned for so long.

It's a slap in the face personally.

It's as if you think I am nobody.

So there ya go, Michael.

If you're precious time is not too valuable, let's meet and talk about whatever it is you want to do, and I'll respect your wishes.

But I'm not PM'ing every single thing I take as an insult. There might be 30 posts that qualify on this thread alone.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:48:33 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

So will I receive a retraction or an apology? Doubt it. *headshake*



Look, I never accused you. You don't understand that?

Here's my apology: I'm sorry you don't understand that I never accused you.

I said I was thinking you did it.

I'm not sorry I had that thought. It was a rational thought.

I sorry though: I'm sorry you did not have the courage to say hello to me when you saw me in the casino.

I am glad I'm not so afraid of things like that. I must be terrible for you to live in fear as you.

I'm sorry about that.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:49:53 PM permalink
Welcome back Ahigh. Looking forward to your trip reports and general daily craps postings.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:53:54 PM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

Welcome back Ahigh. Looking forward to your trip reports and general daily craps postings.



Thanks. It would be great if the damage that has been done could be repaired.

I honestly don't think the Wizard cares enough about me or the game of craps for this to happen.

But time will tell.
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September 5th, 2013 at 1:54:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



You barely acknowledge my existence, and I have busted my ass for you and your forum .
.



I love talk like that. On a variety of levels.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:00:28 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I'm sorry you did not have the courage to say hello to me when you saw me in the casino.

...I [sic] must be terrible for you to live in fear as you.

I'm sorry about that.


*facepalm*
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:01:45 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: Ahigh

I'm sorry you did not have the courage to say hello to me when you saw me in the casino.

...I [sic] must be terrible for you to live in fear as you.

I'm sorry about that.


*facepalm*



Admit that you were afraid. It will help. You were stricken with fear. You can divert this however you want, but fear is what you had.

Cowering in fear.

Something I cannot relate to myself.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:02:16 PM permalink
Ahigh- heard a lot about you since I joined. Glad you are back, dude.

Did you play craps today? How did it go?
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:03:32 PM permalink
Quote: KeyserSoze

Ahigh- heard a lot about you since I joined. Glad you are back, dude.

Did you play craps today? How did it go?



I played today. I won $52 for me, I tipped $15 to the boys, and $1 to the Cashier. I never took more than $5 of my buy-in off the rail.

Tim was dealing to me at the Silverton. Julie was my cashier. And Benjamin was on box. Anyone can verify, also, that I have won about 98% of my session at the Silverton since July 1st 2013 by going and asking. They all know I generally win just about every session every time. And yes when I lose I lose more than I win on a per session basis, and I do increase my bets when I am losing.

I'm not hiding that I vary my bet amounts as I play.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:03:58 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

...you should talk to me in person and we should work it all out.

You barely acknowledge my existence, and I have busted my ass for you...

It's a slap in the face personally. It's as if you think I am nobody.


Ahigh must know my ex-wife. This is the type of thing she would say. lol...
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:05:02 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Admit that you were afraid. It will help. You were stricken with fear. You can divert this however you want, but fear is what you had.

Cowering in fear.


LOL!
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:07:55 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Thanks. It would be great if the damage that has been done could be repaired.

I honestly don't think the Wizard cares enough about me or the game of craps for this to happen.

But time will tell.



I can't speak for the Wizard but I think many of us care about the game of craps. But everyone also likes proof of something and your argument has been that DI has not been disproven while ours has been it has not been proven. A fundamental difference like that is going to get heated but it is your right to believe in what you do. I just think your style offended many on here and if you read some of your replies you might see the same thing.

As for damages, really? Because 5 or 6 posters on a forum talked about you, you are damaged? The best thing to do is be above it, but that is just my opinion and it is worth whatever you want it to be.

So the way I see it, and again, one person opinion that may mean nothing, you can either let it eat you and do something to be done here forever and then bitch about it on your forum, or you can just walk away since it doesn't seem like you want to debate craps here.

Don't hate me for stating what I see as one who has mostly stayed out of this.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



If you want me off your forum, don't wait .. just nuke me now!

If you want me ON your forum, you should talk to me in person and we should work it all out.

You barely acknowledge my existence, and I have busted my ass for you and your forum only to get banned for so long.

It's a slap in the face personally.

It's as if you think I am nobody.

So there ya go, Michael.



That is your problem in a nutshell. You ARE a nobody but you think you're not. You are irrelevant here, at cssinos, and in the craps world. So am I but I know it. You lose more respect with your keyboard than you gain with your research. I wish it wasn't that way for you, but it is.

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September 5th, 2013 at 2:13:09 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I can't speak for the Wizard but I think many of us care about the game of craps. But everyone also likes proof of something and your argument has been that DI has not been disproven while ours has been it has not been proven. A fundamental difference like that is going to get heated but it is your right to believe in what you do. I just think your style offended many on here and if you read some of your replies you might see the same thing.

As for damages, really? Because 5 or 6 posters on a forum talked about you, you are damaged? The best thing to do is be above it, but that is just my opinion and it is worth whatever you want it to be.

So the way I see it, and again, one person opinion that may mean nothing, you can either let it eat you and do something to be done here forever and then bitch about it on your forum, or you can just walk away since it doesn't seem like you want to debate craps here.

Don't hate me for stating what I see as one who has mostly stayed out of this.



The Wizard has already stated "one more and your done."

When you work as hard towards contributing towards a site as I have done towards this site, a comment like that is enough for me to stop contributing.

Because one mistake, and all of my work is forever taken away from me.

I don't think Shackleford is thinking of how this sounds from my perspective.

And I ABSOLUTELY don't think he values my contributions enough relative to the amount of time and work I have gone through to make them. Not even to consider the expenses. Just the ATEM television studio was $1,000. And that's the tip of the iceberg.

The Ahigh Show thread is still more popular than this thread and one of the most popular threads that has EVER been on this website.

And the Wizard didn't even show up, nor really participate at all in any of that. Well, he made a bet and had to pay me $2.

Wow.

And I think he was annoyed with the clarification that the sequence of roll, had SOOPOO been paying close enough attention, warranted $27 worth of pay not $2.

Either way, he is COMPLETELY DETACHED and emotionally removed from all that is going on with me.

Clearly not involved at all.

So there it is.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:14:15 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

That is your problem in a nutshell. You ARE a nobody but you think you're not. You are irrelevant here, at cssinos, and in the craps world. So am I but I know it. You lose more respect with your keyboard than you gain with your research. I wish it wasn't that way for you, but it is.

ZCore13



That is an insult. PM sent to the Wizard.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:21:45 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I would be ashamed of ALL the activity in this thread.



I am. I'm embarrassed at what every dice influence thread has turned into as well. Not that there can't be a civilized discussion on the topic, but it always quickly turns into a sty. However, I have too much respect for free speech to ban discussion of the topic.

Quote:

You barely acknowledge my existence, and I have busted my ass for you and your forum only to get banned for so long.



Don't do it for my benefit.

Quote:

If you're precious time is not too valuable, let's meet and talk about whatever it is you want to do, and I'll respect your wishes.



If you wish to air your grievances to me personally, I'll listen, and hope you'll listen to me. I can meet at the Red Rock tomorrow.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:27:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard


If you wish to air your grievances to me personally, I'll listen, and hope you'll listen to me. I can meet at the Red Rock tomorrow.



Never gonna happen.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:30:39 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

That is an insult.



Calling somebody irrelevant isn't an insult, its a judgement
call. If you said somebody was unhappy or unappealing
or unresponsive or unethical or unreliable, those aren't
insults either.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:34:36 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Never gonna happen.

I think I would take the other side of that bet.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ibeatyouraces
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:41:50 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:41:59 PM permalink
Now see what you did Bob !
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:42:32 PM permalink
Ahigh already suspended? That didnt take long. Probably for his own good.
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:44:23 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

That is an insult. PM sent to the Wizard.



Quote: ZCore13

That is your problem in a nutshell. You ARE a nobody but you think you're not. You are irrelevant here, at cssinos, and in the craps world. So am I but I know it. You lose more respect with your keyboard than you gain with your research. I wish it wasn't that way for you, but it is.



I decline to issue a suspension because Zcore admits he is a nobody as well. In other words, he is saying both of you are just common people, not worthy of special treatment. Had he not qualified it by saying he was a nobody too, then I would have given it three days.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:47:08 PM permalink
Quote: JW17

Ahigh already suspended? That didnt take long. Probably for his own good.


No, looks like it was voluntary. He can come back if/when he wants.
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:48:07 PM permalink
Well, sure can't argue with his judgement. Who knows Ahigh better than Ahigh ?
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:49:54 PM permalink
Well maybe it is a good thing he can cool off for a few days and then come back. As most have said, when he is calm he brings good debate to what he believes, and then he goes off the rails as if people are insulting him personally instead of him seeing that people are insulting his results/systems, whatever you want to call it.

Anyway best of luck to him if he chooses not to return.
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:01:39 PM permalink
Ahigh resigned, just as well. Things weren't going well, he
had about 20min left before it really hit the fan.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:02:21 PM permalink
Now, look what you did BOB ! Ahigh has suspended my account at goodshooter. No more posting under my name there : tupp
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