More Tolerant: Vegas or Others?

Who tolerates winners better, Vegas casinos
or casinos outside of NV? Another poster has
said he was up 60K over a years time at a
Strip casino and was finally backed off.

How does this match up with the rest of the
country. He says he wasn't counting, just a
lot of positive variance. Why did they wait
so long, did he reach a point where they
thought he would never lose it back at his
level of play?

What would be the point of that? That money's gone; he doesn't need to lose it back to be profitable, just to lose. No, if they backed him off, unless they're idiots, they put him on counting.

They put that player on advantage play and that player is me

In LV, and even some AC casinos, you can be up a few hundred thousands and it's no big deal, provided that your money on deposit is also high. It's not really the amount being won that's an issue, it's whether or not the casino feels that they have had a fair shot at winning your money. If you were to start very low, and then build up to a tremendous win, then you will get far more heat.

However, if you start big, and win big, then the casino will celebrate with you because they believe that, win or lose, they will win all of your bankroll in the long run. Especially if the win for the day/or week is already high for the casino.

The heat comes from the casino determining that your action is too far away from the theoretical.

-Keyser

Quote: Keyser

In LV, and even some AC casinos, you can be up a few hundred thousands and it's no big deal, provided that your money on deposit is also high. It's not really the amount being won that's an issue, it's whether or not the casino feels that they have had a fair shot at winning your money. If you were to start very low, and then build up to a tremendous win, then you will get far more heat. However, if you start big, and win big, then the casino will celebrate with you because they believe that, win or lose, they will win all of your bankroll in the long run. Especially if the win for the day/or week is already high for the casino. It really breaks down to how far away your win is from the theoretical.

Keyser,this might be true for non AP`s but it doesn`t matter how much you have on deposit,if they determine you are a threat they will stop your play even if you are losing.

Quote: Hunterhill

Keyser,this might be true for non AP`s but it doesn`t matter how much you have on deposit,if they determine you are a threat they will stop your play even if you are losing.

That's not always true. For example, a couple of casinos in LV come to mind. One of them is notorious for predatory gambling practices against some foriegn high rollers, and the other casino is the Wynn.

A good example is the fairly recent case of the "accused dice sliders" from Argentina. Are we to believe that the casino didn't know they were sliding the dice? The casino's position was likely the following:

The players are betting very large. If they have enough varience, then the casino wins the money, so let them play for now.
If the players can get a large enough edge, and they are lucky enough to win, then the casino can dispute the win and avoid paying out the players.

Either way, the casino likely wins!

In the case of the "accused dice sliders", they knew that they were from South America, and that it would be far more difficult for them to recoup the money if they were to dispute the win. By the way, the players were never prosecuted for cheating. After having viewed the action, the authorities decided to drop the charges.

The above case should give "dice setters" a good reason to rethink how they are openly setting the dice. All the casino has to do is create some doubt in order to successfully dispute the win and to avoid paying out - for a long time, if ever.

-Keyser